Built in ports are adapters you can not forget. I don't think airplay mirroring is widely available in the corporate worlds. While I use it at home I haven't seen any office meeting room or hotel to support it.
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New 15-Inch MacBook Pro With Kaby Lake and 32GB of Desktop-Class RAM Coming Later This Year
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Who says it's a "pro" machine? Who decides what features make it pro and what don't? "MacBook Pro" is just a name, it doesn't automatically make it perfect for anyone using the computer for their profession.
Are you seriously saying Oral B Pro is just for dentists? Or Go Pros are only for sports professionals? The PlayStation Pro is only for people who are paid to play games? Pro Plus is just for people who are tired through work? Pro Power batteries are only for professional battery powered items? Gillette Pro is only for barbers?
It's a name. Look at the specs and if it's no good for how you want to use it, don't buy it. This constant crying of "It's not a pro machine!" is a pointless argument.
I know what you mean. I don't even have one yet but I'm pretty sure I'm not going to like the touch bar. I like my traditional, physical function keys and it's a shame there's no option on the 15". I assume the option on the 13" is only a temporary thing as well. The touch bar is going to be useless for games where function keys are used extensively (depending on the game), where you really can't be looking down at the keyboard or touch bar all the time.
It is a general Apple no questions asked 14 day return policy. Here is the section from Apple Australia website.
http://www.apple.com/au/shop/help/returns_refund
I kind of realized the situation and took a different approach: as soon as the 2016 was confirmed to be a sub-par / unready purchase (IMO), I instead bought a maxed out refurb 2015 15" for way less than it would for the 2016. That way, until the Kaby Lake enabled 32GB RAM equipped late 2017 / early 2018 MBP comes out, I can have a fairly decent 2015 to face current tasks, such as plugging in current year technologies without adapters like HDMI and USB-A and SD cards. By the time the next model comes, USB-C will be more common place and the pain of transition is much more bearable, or perhaps even desirable.
And oh, also Apple will have time to perfect that new terraced battery design and actually ship it in the MBP.
Since when is bigger RAM new technology, also there was a time when socketed RAM could just be replaced at home, ...
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In the 80s new Macs actually lasted many more years, I heard there are still happy customers that still run their cash register with it, ...
True, but waiting less than 12 months for a decent upgrade has made the current model "Don't buy" and the next update at least a bit more "pro" whatever it might mean. Since I already bought a current model I am going to pretend I don't care. I agree, it's not really a pro laptop anymore like the 2015 model was. USB-C is not a swiss army knife of ports unless you buy dongles - we are years away from 'universal' USB-C. I have 10 year old devices that work perfectly and are USB-1 still, and using them will now require an annoying dongle every time.
then they release an option for 32GB later in the year because they couldn't be bothered to on launch? Apple's screwing of customers knows no bounds.
Don't remember them releasing another MBPtb at the end of 2016?
Not aimed at you. I also have been critical at times of Apple's lack of updates. I'm sure not going to criticize them when refresh the processors or make other tweaks. Sometimes it may not make sense or be worth the update just because a minor speed bump.
I just bought a 13" MBP in late December. I am not upset at all that it will be refreshed or the price will drop. I needed a new device. Everyone has predicted they will drop the prices somewhat. I remember when Intel was introducing new processors with the regularity of an old man taking his morning dump. People were going crazy trying to keep up. You can't.
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Then maybe you should switch to something other than Mac's.
I think your posts reveal plenty about you.
At which point do people stop making excuses and using the slightest inconvenience to anchor criticism and resist change?
I use an iPad in my classroom. The lighting to vga adaptor is something which I can readily toss in my front shirt pocket, while I paid for the Apple TVs that I set up in my classrooms.
If someone calls themselves a professional but evidently can't be bothered to bring an extra adaptor with them in order to conduct a proper presentation, I say that speaks more about their professionalism (or lack thereof) than any shortcoming on part of the MacBook Pro.
The 2015 model has less data throughout, slower ssd, slower graphics and can't run 2 5k monitors. But it's more Pro because you can connect a USB 1 external drive without buying a new cable. Woohoo!
Pro is such a subjective term and going by these forums the majority of users on here consider themselves to be one. I'd always considered a Pro user to be someone who really needs a top of the line Mac Pro to do their daily job - developers, people working with audio and video as their career, that kind of thing. Anyway, its a no-win argument....
As regards price, quite a few of the tech commentators seem to be suggesting that so long as Apple are making Macs, they're going to want to make a decent profit per machine, so whilst they will strive to have an entry-level one at the $1000 mark, they can't see prices coming down in the future. There's some good logic to their arguments and its the most convincing line of thought I've heard about where they're going with the Mac.
I do think there's a lot of wishful thinking going on when it comes to the Mac strategy. You might not think Apple makes a Mac suitable for you, but if that's the case, its probably not going to change and you'll need to look at an alternative. I do think that Apple believe they're making the Macs that are going to be suitable for the vast majority of their customers, but maybe they've misjudged things? They do gather a lot of stats about how their hardware and software are used, so maybe they do know better?
Maybe, like external displays (majority of users don't hook their laptops up to them, but lots of us on this forum do), the percentage of users who need 32GB of RAM, lots of legacy ports etc is so small that they're continuing to focus on smaller form-factor laptops with the understanding that they will lose a small percentage of customers to other brands and they're fine with that.
As regards price, quite a few of the tech commentators seem to be suggesting that so long as Apple are making Macs, they're going to want to make a decent profit per machine, so whilst they will strive to have an entry-level one at the $1000 mark, they can't see prices coming down in the future. There's some good logic to their arguments and its the most convincing line of thought I've heard about where they're going with the Mac.
I do think there's a lot of wishful thinking going on when it comes to the Mac strategy. You might not think Apple makes a Mac suitable for you, but if that's the case, its probably not going to change and you'll need to look at an alternative. I do think that Apple believe they're making the Macs that are going to be suitable for the vast majority of their customers, but maybe they've misjudged things? They do gather a lot of stats about how their hardware and software are used, so maybe they do know better?
Maybe, like external displays (majority of users don't hook their laptops up to them, but lots of us on this forum do), the percentage of users who need 32GB of RAM, lots of legacy ports etc is so small that they're continuing to focus on smaller form-factor laptops with the understanding that they will lose a small percentage of customers to other brands and they're fine with that.
Different scenario. I've been using a company 15" 2015 MBP. I'm switching jobs and my employer offered me the 2016 one. Thanks but no thanks.
Because you've had to buy extra to restore functionality that should have just come out of the box?
Sounds great!
Offer a model without the touch bar and we're nearly there!
Offer a model without the touch bar and we're nearly there!
Neither have I, but then I recognise that other people are running loads of virtual machines, using audio software with huge banks of samples, editing huge high-res bitmaps etc. and, yes, they do need 32GB. Ideally, if I choose a "power user" machine that's going to last me years I'd like to leave some of those options open, so even the 2015 rMBP, with its non-upgradeable RAM, is a bit of a drag.
With the 2015 rMBP you could directly plug in two displays (miniDP + HDMI), a keyboard, the charger and a TB disk drive and still have a spare USB port and SD slot. With the 2016, there's only 4 holes to plug anything and virtually no existing equipment has a plug that fits those holes, so you're dependent on having the correct dongle or multiport dock in your bag. Yeah, that's "less 'pro'" in my book.
True, that 160Gb/s of total throughput would be great on a 12-core Xeon with twin workstation-class GPUs and 64GB RAM... but on a low-power i7 with thermally-throttled mobile GPU not so much... Probably for the best if you're going to block up some of those 40Gb/s "anything" ports with a chargers or USB3 equipment.
The problem isn't having TB3/USB-C ports - that is essential future-proofing on a new computer today. No, the problem is replacing all the ports with TB3 in one fell swoop, at a time when the interface is still in its infancy. Yes, I like the option of a single-wire dock on my main desk, but I don't want to have to buy one for every desk I use and/or to have to grub around in my bag for an adapter every time someone hands me a flash drive at a meeting. Taking the old 2015 rMBP and just replacing the TB2 ports with TB3/USB-C would have been the sensible compromise - the all-TB3 decision was pretty clearly driven by the determination to make everything thinner. The 2015 was already thin and light enough given its level of power and connectivity.
Now, if you want thin'n'crispy, the 13" non-TB 2016 is going to be great once they replace the "Pro" on the label with "Air" and shave $200 off the price.
Intel is the problem here. Each "generation" consists of a large variety of desktop and mobile versions with different power consumption, clock speed and embedded GPUs, that Intel trickles out over the course of many months and often doesn't complete before the buzz for the next generation kicks off. Intel's dumbed-down and almost meaningless i3/i5/i7 branding disguises this.
AFAIK the only mobile Kaby Lake chips available at the time of the 2016 launch were the 15W ones without the premium"Iris" graphics that Apple prefer (so not ideal even for the non-TB MBP). The various models launched early this year (not clear if they're actually shipping) don't include an i7 HQ with Iris 650 graphics suitable for the 15" MBP.
In this respect, Apple's "problem" is that rather than emulating certain PC makers and always cramming the latest Intel chips into their machines - without really worrying about power consumption and graphics capability - they tend to wait for the Intel processor that they actually want.
Please let's not start with this nonsense again. You're in love with the *idea* of the new MBP, and that's about it. Better see it for what it is. Ive & co are building products for scenarios their users don't live in. Yes, sometimes you need to take large steps to push people along. But this is leaving your users far behind without even tossing them a rope.
Hopefully this isn't giving Apple an excuse to ditch Mac Pro
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Having said that... my first Gen 2012 Retina has been brilliant and still powers on. The others since, up to the recent redesign, have been tiny incremental improvements.. nothing radical at all
Holy smokes, you're Apple's dream customer. Just throwing money at a 'problem' they've created and gloating about it. Adorable.
You are right about the vga adapter. Concerning setting up your own classrooms: not all have the luxury to have their own classrooms. Like said a lot of trainings are conducted at clients side, convention centers or hotel (meeting) rooms. I personally have not seen one where airplay would have been an option. And that's after having done a lot of trainings in Europe and Asia. Maybe US is better. Don't know about that.
"Never buy a 1st-gen product from Apple." Why would that be? For macbook pro specifically, what can be on the 2nd-gen macbook pro that is currently not on the 1st-gen? And also, I don't see any huge improvements over performance. Yes, Kabylake is power efficient, and will probably give mac more battery time of an hour or so, but we all know Skylake is comparable to Kabylake in terms of performance. And most of bugs or glitches come from software issue, which will be fixed by the updates. Other than minor inconveniences of waiting until those issues are addressed by the software updates, I don't see any reason as to why anyone needing a new laptop right now needs to stay away from the new macbook pro, just because it's 1st-gen.