New 15-Inch MacBook Pro With Kaby Lake and 32GB of Desktop-Class RAM Coming Later This Year

[Abazigal]

Please let's not start with this nonsense again. You're in love with the *idea* of the new MBP, and that's about it. Better see it for what it is. Ive & co are building products for scenarios their users don't live in. Yes, sometimes you need to take large steps to push people along. But this is leaving your users far behind without even tossing them a rope.

I am using an iMac and a MBA. Unless Apple computers suddenly start exploding on me or something, my next desktop will be a Mac. My next laptop will be a Mac. The ramifications of this change will eventually cascade down to me. I am every bit as invested in the Apple ecosystem as any of you here.

How are users left without a rope here? Adaptors exist. USB C peripherals exist. Bluetooth accessories is a thing.

has never been more apt, imo.

 

[otternonsense]

I am using an iMac and a MBA. Unless Apple computers suddenly start exploding on me or something, my next desktop will be a Mac. My next laptop will be a Mac. The ramifications of this change will eventually cascade down to me. I am every bit as invested in the Apple ecosystem as any of you here.

How are users left without a rope here? Adaptors exist. USB C peripherals exist. Bluetooth accessories is a thing.

[random generic meme sketch] has never been more apt, imo.

Wow. You're hilariously out of touch, and blanket Facebook memes don't exactly help your non-argument. As another commenter said, you're indeed Apple's ideal gaslit customer. Ignore the problem, throw money at 3rd party solutions, and gloat about it.

PS. The Airpods are redundant in your previous shot.. the MBP still has a headphone jack

 

[smacrumon]

Fix the battery issues!!!

 

[ascender]

But if you travel and give presentations for a living, presumably you've always had to take a few adapters in your bag because you never know what you're going to meet out there? But you only ever use one at a time and its no great hassle to put one in your bag and when using its really not that much grief over being able to plug in directly?

For these pictures with loads of dongles and devices plugged in, do lots of people really work like that with laptops or are they just making a point? At what point do you not just buy a small USB hub anyway so you have convenience of only having to plug one cable in?

Or is it the case that again, the majority of users on here aren't reflective of the way that most customers will use their laptops?

 

[smacrumon]

I am using an iMac and a MBA. Unless Apple computers suddenly start exploding on me or something, my next desktop will be a Mac. My next laptop will be a Mac. The ramifications of this change will eventually cascade down to me. I am every bit as invested in the Apple ecosystem as any of you here.

How are users left without a rope here? Adaptors exist. USB C peripherals exist. Bluetooth accessories is a thing.

has never been more apt, imo.

It's actually easy to leave if you really wanted to. It's not like Apple Mac or MacBooks are life support machines that you must have in order to survive. They're just devices at the end of the day. It's your life. You can make any choice you wish to make when it comes to your computing products.

 

[yannxou]

They should max-out at 33GB because.. well, 33GB is beyond 32GB!

Jokes aside, I can deal with prices going up but I just want them to be upgradeable. My iMac 2009 is way faster than newer laptops just because I installed an SSD and upgraded the RAM. I want my next laptop to have at least a 1TB hard drive but current Apple SSD prices are prohibitive.

Upgradeability is a feature, and a powerful one that has been forgotten in the latest line of Apple products. Give us (back) the chance to upgrade the hard drive and RAM two years from now when SSD will be cheaper and faster and sales will increase for sure. Otherwise I'm sticking with my current computer until it catches fire.

 

[otternonsense]

They should max-out at 33GB because.. well, 33GB is beyond 32GB!

Jokes aside, I can deal with prices going up but I just want them to be upgradeable. My iMac 2009 is way faster than newer laptops just because I installed an SSD and upgraded the RAM. I want my next laptop to have at least a 1TB hard drive but current Apple SSD prices are prohibitive.

Upgradeability is a feature, and a powerful one that has been forgotten in the latest line of Apple products. Give us (back) the chance to upgrade the hard drive and RAM two years from now when SSD will be cheaper and faster and sales will increase for sure. Otherwise I'm sticking with my current computer until it fires up.

This. A decade ago you could buy a Mac Pro for much less than today's MacBook Pro and it was current tech, upgradable, powerful, quality made, and came with a great OS. Now, I find it impossible to rationalise Apple having turned Macs into gimmicky throwaway appliances.

 

[bingeciren]

You are right about the vga adapter. Concerning setting up your own classrooms: not all have the luxury to have their own classrooms. Like said a lot of trainings are conducted at clients side, convention centers or hotel (meeting) rooms. I personally have not seen one where airplay would have been an option. And that's after having done a lot of trainings in Europe and Asia. Maybe US is better. Don't know about that.

I carry my own ATV3 which I bought it when the price was reduced to $70 with the introduction of the ATV4. I carry a short HDMI cable and a $10 HDMI to VGA adapter just in case. With this setup I can connect to any projector in any hotel room using their WiFi to do presentations. It is so much better than connecting my own computer directly to the projector because usually the connection point is not near to where I will be making the presentation.

I don't understand the fuss about Airplay not being available everywhere. Just bring your own. Is it a luxury to carry an $80 hardware which doubles as an entertainment device in your hotel room?

 

[michaelsviews]

It's actually easy to leave if you really wanted to. It's not like Apple Mac or MacBooks are life support machines that you must have in order to survive. They're just devices at the end of the day. It's your life. You can make any choice you wish to make when it comes to your computing products.

Now lets see how long before the current ones show up in the refurbished area on Apples site

 

[Mactendo]

Interestingly, Kuo also mentions a "15-inch MacBook" that will include 32GB of RAM and enter mass production in the early fourth quarter, which starts in September. He said this model will be "the most significantly redesigned product this year," and he believes it will adopt desktop-class RAM to satisfy high-end users.

MacBook Pro Pro in Jet Rose Gold with no ports at all starting at $5000

 

[Abazigal]

It's actually easy to leave if you really wanted to. It's not like Apple Mac or MacBooks are life support machines that you must have in order to survive. They're just devices at the end of the day. It's your life. You can make any choice you wish to make when it comes to your computing products.

And I choose to stay within the Apple ecosystem because that's what has worked for me and that's what will continue to work best for me.

Life is a bundle of compromises and my choice of computing devices is simply another exercise in compromise. Simply put, I compromise less with my Apple products compared to other alternatives.

 

[lowkey]

Because you've had to buy extra to restore functionality that should have just come out of the box?

No it's called buying the right cable. And quite frankly if you can't afford to buy the right cable after buying a new computer then you're no pro.

Tell me, how do you connect two 5k monitors at 60hz to your 2015 MBP?? What cables do you use?? HDMI? Yah, 30hz is so pro!

 

[Abazigal]

Wow. You're hilariously out of touch, and blanket Facebook memes don't exactly help your non-argument. As another commenter said, you're indeed Apple's ideal gaslit customer. Ignore the problem, throw money at 3rd party solutions, and gloat about it.

PS. The Airpods are redundant in your previous shot.. the MBP still has a headphone jack

But not the iPhone 7.

Anyways, in the interest of transparency, that set up isn't mine. I came across the image and I found it memorable in that it was a poignant juxtaposition to the tired "donglegate" meme plaguing the MacBook Pro.

That's precisely why I embraced the Apple ecosystem in the first place, and why I voluntarily choose to entrench myself within the Apple ecosystem so deeply. My Apple products have cost more upfront, but they have more than paid for themselves in the form of greater productivity and fewer problems overall.

So yeah, if the issue can be solved with money, then I say it really isn't an issue to begin with, and it's a price I gladly pay.

This coming from years of being saddled with buggy windows computers, where I don't even have the option of spending my way out of.

 

[jaymie1983]

Don't expect to be able to get logic board replacements for these things once Apple axe them as obsolete

 

[elvislives]

Give us 64GB option Apple! as a 3D user this would be great! not bothered about the ports issues, but maybe they should have kept a few USB 3 ports... And upgrade the GPU to nvidia 1070!

 

[Santabean2000]

I carry my own ATV3 which I bought it when the price was reduced to $70 with the introduction of the ATV4. I carry a short HDMI cable and a $10 HDMI to VGA adapter just in case. With this setup I can connect to any projector in any hotel room using their WiFi to do presentations. It is so much better than connecting my own computer directly to the projector because usually the connection point is not near to where I will be making the presentation.

I don't understand the fuss about Airplay not being available everywhere. Just bring your own. Is it a luxury to carry an $80 hardware which doubles as an entertainment device in your hotel room?

With TV 3 (2nd, silent upgraded one) or TV 4 you can simply use peer-to-peer and be independent of any local systems altogether.

 

[lowkey]

This. A decade ago you could buy a Mac Pro for much less than today's MacBook Pro and it was current tech, upgradable, powerful, quality made, and came with a great OS. Now, I find it impossible to rationalise Apple having turned Macs into gimmicky throwaway appliances.

I thought you'd given up complaining?

A decade old Mac Pro is the size of a medium sized suitcase and over 18 kilos. Today's MacBook Pro is 1/10th the weight and almost twice as fast.

Rather than whine in every thread why not buy an old Mac Pro and be done with it? Apple laptops have essentially been non-upgradable for years. They aren't going to suddenly reverse that. It's time to move on.

 

[WRChris]

Wow. You're hilariously out of touch, and blanket Facebook memes don't exactly help your non-argument. As another commenter said, you're indeed Apple's ideal gaslit customer. Ignore the problem, throw money at 3rd party solutions, and gloat about it.

PS. The Airpods are redundant in your previous shot.. the MBP still has a headphone jack

The MacBook Pro is amazing. Not in theory, in practice. What don't you like about yours?

 

[johannnn]

I have the baseline 2016 MB. How much better is the baseline 2017 expected to be in terms of battery and performance?

 

[crsh1976]

Desktop class RAM? I highly doubt that, not from the company who argued the 16 GB ceiling is in place because they absolutely needed to use LPDDR RAM (which isn't supported in DDR4 form yet) to save energy/make the battery last longer/keep the thing super thin.

Next round of Kaby Lake-powered rMBP is going to have the same 16 GB ceiling because they still don't support more than 16 GB of LPDDR3 memory and there's still no support for LPDDR4 either.

 

[Abazigal]

I carry my own ATV3 which I bought it when the price was reduced to $70 with the introduction of the ATV4. I carry a short HDMI cable and a $10 HDMI to VGA adapter just in case. With this setup I can connect to any projector in any hotel room using their WiFi to do presentations. It is so much better than connecting my own computer directly to the projector because usually the connection point is not near to where I will be making the presentation.

I don't understand the fuss about Airplay not being available everywhere. Just bring your own. Is it a luxury to carry an $80 hardware which doubles as an entertainment device in your hotel room?

And best of all, with ios 8, you don't even need wifi to enable AirPlay mirroring.

Kudos to you. I did the same thing last year as well. Had a plastic tray with an Apple TV and 10-m long hdmi cable so I could set it up in my assigned teaching room (the vga panel was really in an inconvenient corner of the room). Plugging everything in takes less than a minute, which is a pittance compared to the utility you get for the rest of the occasion.

Did the same today with my Apple TV and a 30-m long cable for a training workshop I conducted for some students. Setting it up took a little longer because the projector was so high up on the ceiling and I am not particularly athletic, but the freedom of being able to mirror my iPad for the remainder of the 90-min lesson was so totally worth it.

 

[otternonsense]

I thought you'd given up complaining?

A decade old Mac Pro is the size of a medium sized suitcase and over 18 kilos. Today's MacBook Pro is 1/10th the weight and almost twice as fast.

Rather than whine in every thread why not buy an old Mac Pro and be done with it? Apple laptops have essentially been non-upgradable for years. They aren't going to suddenly reverse that. It's time to move on.

What's worse than a stubborn disgruntled Apple customer? A wannabe-moderator thread scourge, apparently.

 

[Santabean2000]

They should max-out at 33GB because.. well, 33GB is beyond 32GB!

Jokes aside, I can deal with prices going up but I just want them to be upgradeable. My iMac 2009 is way faster than newer laptops just because I installed an SSD and upgraded the RAM. I want my next laptop to have at least a 1TB hard drive but current Apple SSD prices are prohibitive.

Upgradeability is a feature, and a powerful one that has been forgotten in the latest line of Apple products. Give us (back) the chance to upgrade the hard drive and RAM two years from now when SSD will be cheaper and faster and sales will increase for sure. Otherwise I'm sticking with my current computer until it catches fire.

Upgradeability (and fixability) is the feature that we should all be demanding. We must change this wasteful cultural mindset/approach of making disposable tech.

 

[otternonsense]

Upgradeability (and fixability) is the feature that we should all be demanding. We must change this wasteful cultural mindset/approach of making disposable tech.

Quite ironic how Apple always touts its environment-friendly credentials while churning out totally soldered devices where a single component flaw would demand an entire unit replacement.

 

[alexjholland]

I would definitely not buy a MacBook Pro right now.

I know you always stand to be disappointed by what you've missed, one year later; but I think that is especially pronounced right now.