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Kaby Lake? Depends when they launch it, would seem odd unless they know for sure Intel is delaying Cannonlake. Although I guess as Skylake and Kaby use same socket perhaps it is just easier to do that as a 'good enough' option.
 
Glad I waited. I feel sorry for those who spent all the money on the under spec current model only to hear theres a better one coming soon (relative to the wait for the last update).
 
According to MR members Apple is the devil and can't ever make anyone on this forum happy. Leaves me wondering why any of you use Apple products since all you do is bitch about how much they suck and Apple screwed you on your free-market purchase.
 
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32 GB optional... at 4000€
Beside this, I am waiting, I gave up with the idea of buying this one, not for the price, but for the problems... and for the kaby lake announcements from Intel in december... bah, completely out of sync between the two companies.
 
According to MR members Apple is the devil and can't ever make anyone on this forum happy. Leaves me wondering why any of you use Apple products since all you do is bitch about how much they suck and Apple screwed you on your free-market purchase.

Apple is going south for a certain category of users. Judging by the device list in your signature (a MBA is enough for you), you're not part of it.
 
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Just because daisy chain is a capability of USB-C standard doesn't mean it will be implemented on all devices. We have gone through that in Firewire and Thunderbolt 1/2 eras. The extra cost of a controller, space taken, points of failure etc are all reasons why majority of these devices will be a single port terminal.
Ok, the original post by KeysofAnxiety stated amongst other things;
“In fact you need to use less wires than the previous generations”.
I’m trying to see how this is true.
 
I have yet to utilize the full 16gb of RAM... Sure 32gb will be cool, more of a bragging right.

Different people have different use cases. Right now, I'm using 14.29 GB, with the remaining 1.71 used for cache. I'm actually not doing much right now, by my standards. I could definitely use this machine.
 
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Maybe they should have waited a bit longer and made sure the MacBook Pro was a great product on release. More evidence that Apple have no idea what they're doing.

BS. They know exactly what they're doing: pushing a product to release in time for the holiday shopping season and trusting that we'll buy it. (I did, exclusively because its SSD is much less noisy than any other laptop I've found.)
 
Ok, the original post by KeysofAnxiety stated amongst other things;
“In fact you need to use less wires than the previous generations”.
I’m trying to see how this is true.
I actually mixed up the replies of you two's. Matter of fact he is not only wrong, but due to the reason I stated above, a single-port daisy-chained solution is even worse as it requires special selection of 2-port+ devices.

But anyway I think the original point he tried to make is the new MBP enables a single cable docking solution where your cables can connect to a single hub where you can use permanent cable management to cut out the mess, which does not eliminate number of cables used, but reduces the number of cables needed to be plugged into your MBP to just one. This ability was absent on previous gens of Apple laptops, save for the Thunderbolt Display + hub situation which is still more than one cable. This may be a selling point to some, but for many others this functionality comes at the expense of not having readily accessible "legacy" ports for all other portable situations.
 
....and I was in the Apple Store yesterday, looking for a new MacBook 15inch 0o ....I guess I can not wait, but 32 GB ram. Orrrrr
 
Am I the only person sad to see the MacBook Air go away? I really like the design and wish Apple would have refreshed it. Also like the price point.

It didn't go away. It became more expensive, got a nicer display, more RAM, more SSD, and in general an update. They called it the 2016 Macbook Pro Without Touch Bar, and it's got the best battery life of all the current models. ;)
 
BS. They know exactly what they're doing: pushing a product to release in time for the holiday shopping season and trusting that we'll buy it. (I did, exclusively because its SSD is much less noisy than any other laptop I've found.)

Your other SSDs make noises? There's been SSDs in MacBooks for many, many years now.
 
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I actually mixed up the replies of you two's. Matter of fact he is not only wrong, but due to the reason I stated above, a single-port daisy-chained solution is even worse as it requires special selection of 2-port+ devices.

But anyway I think the original point he tried to make is the new MBP enables a single cable docking solution where your cables can connect to a single hub where you can use permanent cable management to cut out the mess, which does not eliminate number of cables used, but reduces the number of cables needed to be plugged into your MBP to just one. This ability was absent on previous gens of Apple laptops, save for the Thunderbolt Display + hub situation which is still more than one cable. This may be a selling point to some, but for many others this functionality comes at the expense of not having readily accessible "legacy" ports for all other portable situations.
Ok, now this I get. Still not buying the notebook tho. Would love to buy one if it was more ‘Pro’. The size and weight don't bother me so much.
 
BS. They know exactly what they're doing: pushing a product to release in time for the holiday shopping season and trusting that we'll buy it. (I did, exclusively because its SSD is much less noisy than any other laptop I've found.)
I bet you my 2012 rMBP SSD is as quiet or quieter then the late 2016 model :)
 
Your other SSDs make noises? There's been SSDs in MacBooks for many, many years now.

I switched just before the tMBP came out, and returned the rMBP due to the SSD noises. The tMBP came along. Salvation, for me, as I'm sensitive to that sort of noise and needed an SSD based laptop. Amid all the issues, the tMBP did that one thing right: virtually no SSD noise. Note that every non-Apple laptop I've tried with an SSD has that noise. The whine on the iPhone 7 is similar in character. I'm guessing PWM modulation of the boost supply for the write cycle or something.
 
I have yet to utilize the full 16gb of RAM... Sure 32gb will be cool, more of a bragging right.

It's people like you that allow Apple to justify waving the middle finger at those who actually DO need RAM and DO need CPU and GPU speed. This isn't a joke. This isn't fashion. This is really important to some people and their BUSINESSES. As long as Apple thinks there is a "one size fits all" for computing... Microsoft will eat their lunch. The Space ship is going to make for awesome condos after Timmy and Ferengi destroy Apple !!
 
Apple is going south for a certain category of users. Judging by the device list in your signature (a MBA is enough for you), you're not part of it.
Okay so that certain category of users should find a better alternative than Apple is all I'm saying. The "pro's" claim that the new high end MBP aren't good enough for them so by all means buy what does work for you!
 
Actually, if you factor together these two, including a new MBP++:
  1. Apple has no interest to pursue the high-resolution monitor market.
  2. Apple is (presumably) to announce a higher-capacity, 15-inch MBP++ (with 32GB of desktop-class memory)
These, to me, spell the end of the iMac or any other permutation of Mac all-in-ones.

Their approach will be to advertise the MBP++ using LG-provided monitors, as an equivalent desktop machine with the lid closed.

Not only no more Mac minis -- also no more iMacs on this horizon.
 
Okay so that certain category of users should find a better alternative than Apple is all I'm saying. The "pro's" claim that the new high end MBP aren't good enough for them so by all means buy what does work for you!
There are industries out there that have studios or entire premise completely invested into the Mac ecosystem, and then the people working there invested much of their career skill set as well. Apple's middle finger to this demographic is much bigger than you can imagine.
 
So "the couple of people" constitute 5% of MBP buyers? You are telling me that only 40 people bought the MBP? Nearly 5 million were bought in the 3rd quarter 2016. That means that some 250 thousand used the SD slot, by your stat. That's a lot of people and a lot of money.

And by those numbers it means that 4,750,000 have never, ever used the SD slot.

Would you really push for charging 4,750,000 people more for something they'll never use, so that just 250,000 can benefit from it? Keep in mind that doesn't even mean those 5% use it regularly, only that they've used it a single time.

The truth is, most are perfectly fine with the lack of an SD slot which is why you don't see articles on major news sites crying about the lack of one.
 
Is 'one' the same number as 'two'? I let you be the judge.
Jeez. Post 37. Specifically this bit;
…..the controller for your static workstation. In fact you need to use less wires than the previous generations, as everything comes to life just by plugging in one cable, rather than 10.
So;
If your workstation is static why get a MacBook and not an iMac or Mac Pro/Mini?
Less wires to the Mac but MORE in total, if you have those 10 devices you need 10+1 cables with a dock.
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And by those numbers it means that 4,750,000 have never, ever used the SD slot.

Would you really push for charging 4,750,000 people more for something they'll never use, so that just 250,000 can benefit from it? Keep in mind that doesn't even mean those 5% use it regularly, only that they've used it a single time.

The truth is, most are perfectly fine with the lack of an SD slot which is why you don't see articles on major news sites crying about the lack of one.
Yes. The cost of the SD slot is without doubt minimal. Realistically it would probably add $3 to the cost of the machine. Give the choice of a $3000 Mackbook without or a $3003 MacBook with. I know which I and I suspect most people would choose.
 
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