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Apple's internal data shows less than 5% of users have EVER used the SD slot on Macs which contain them. Seems pretty silly to include them and charge everyone the price of doing so, when so few use them.

Let the couple people that need an SD reader buy one for a couple dollars and save the rest of us a couple bucks.

To be fair, half of the SD slots i've attempted to access on MBP laptops & iMac desktops DO NOT WORK at all! They easily get clogged with dust and grib - even when sitting in an office w/ no road use.

I rarely use SD for video.
BUT many audio field recorders dump to SD.

Cans of air didn't solve the problem.
It was a hassle finding a working Mac SD card slot.
I ended up just getting a cheapo ext usb SD card reader.
 
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Make it 0.75-0.9" thick, 12 hour battery, dual SSD, 32GB RAM, higher end graphics card, 4K display, bring back a few ports and oh man that would be a tasty machine.
If you are of the opinion that the current 15" MBP has only a 3 hour battery life when used as a 'professional' machine, you are asking for 304 Wh battery. If we take a guess and say that the current battery (including the casing around it) contributes a third to total weight, we would end up with a 3.66 kg machine or twice the weight.

Now you might not be in the 'the-current-MBP-only-has-a-3-hour-battery-life' camp and rather would say 5 hours seems to be what most people get. That would only require a 2.4x as large battery. But given your wishes for 32 GB of RAM, a higher-end graphic card and a 4K display, we might also look at a machine that requires 20% more juice. Multiply that with the 2.4x factor and you get 2.88x or a 218.9 Wh battery. Using the same assumptions as above, you get a 2.98 kg machine (compared to the 1.83 kg of the current machine).

I think you would agree that there probably is a market for a 1.83 kg 15" machine, meaning Apple would need to offer two models. Maybe Apple would do that but I would bet a lot that the thinner and lighter machine sells significantly more than the heavier machine.
 
Apple's internal data shows less than 5% of users have EVER used the SD slot on Macs which contain them. Seems pretty silly to include them and charge everyone the price of doing so, when so few use them.

Let the couple people that need an SD reader buy one for a couple dollars and save the rest of us a couple bucks.

My point was that they were implying that SD cards are somehow obsolete and no longer used when that's not the case.
 
Don't be so daft, that's not what's happening here. The MacBook Pro hadn't been updated for over a year before this one came out. To release another version less than a year after everybody has invested in the new machines is ridiculous. Especially as a lot of those people wanted 32GB of RAM but had to settle. The machine is already over priced, can't imagine what they're charging for 32GB of RAM. Considering Apple are the only company on Earth who think RAM sticks are £/$500 each!

Complains Apple doesn't update often enough.
Complains Apple updates too often.

Whatever happens we can be guaranteed of only one thing...

...your complaining.
 
Wait for doomsayers to spin this into a disaster scenario. "WHY NOT 128GB OF RAM AND 2 GPU's?" FYI, the rumor is that this is set for 4th quarter release. Not really screwing existing customers if the release is one year after the previous generation.
Let me guess... you think this is the best "pro" laptop anyone has ever produced? Stop licking their boots.
 
Since Kaby Lake doesn't have the required support for LPDDR4 ram I highly doubt we will see a 32gb option. I think 2018 or even 2019 depending on what intel puts out. 32gb with Kaby Lake would require a different logic board as well as a redesigned cooling system to account for the extra heat from DDR4 ram chips. Then they would also have to increase the battery significantly to keep the same "10 hours of usage". If they used the same battery then it we be 6 hours of battery and I can't see Apple going backwards. So a 32gb MacBook would be thicker and 1/2 pound heavier.

Exactly! Unless Intel is keeping a secret 32GB won't be possible in a MacBook Pro in 2017!
 
16gb RAM is very little if you do very graphic intensive work. photoshop and After Effects need lots of it. My MacPro has 64gb RAM and if I could afford I would max it out at 128.
32Gb should be standard by now on a pro laptop like the MBP with a BTO of 64gb. Apple is too obsessed with thinness compromising on ports, battery life and performance. It's a pro machine, make it look like one. If someone wants light and thin go to the MacBook route but make sure the MBP is really Pro.
 
Apple's internal data shows less than 5% of users have EVER used the SD slot on Macs which contain them. Seems pretty silly to include them and charge everyone the price of doing so, when so few use them.

Let the couple people that need an SD reader buy one for a couple dollars and save the rest of us a couple bucks.
And what percentage of users will connect two 5K displays to their MBP or max out the bandwidth of four* TB3 ports.

It's not only about what percentage of users use a certain feature, but also what extra costs it would incur. If the cost is very small, it does make sense to add features only a small percentage of users will use. Apple laptops going back 25 years had an audio-in port (often combined with audio-out port in one port). I'd say the percentage of people using that ever used that audio-in port was also below 5%. But it takes very little extra space and extra cost to offer a combined audio-in/out port. Guess what happened to that port in the 2016 MBP? It got demoted to an audio-out-only port. You know what also got removed? The tiny button with the battery indicator on the side as well as the sleep light.

I understand the replacement all USB-A ports. A move, I can guarantee you was not made for cost considerations. I can also understand the removal of MagSafe. Again not made for cost reasons but because having a MagSafe charging port next to TB3/USB-C charging ports is a muddled solution (and making the USB-C cable have a break-away connection probably is impossible while also making it useable as a USB-C cable). Not trying to create a USB-C cable with a charging indicator light (I don't know if technically possible) however could be motivated by efforts to save money.

* I know each pair of them are probably on a shared bus, so you'll never be able to max out all four at the same time but it is quite likely that scenarios exist where multiple devices are connected that use the bandwidth of the ports in a consecutive way.
 
Right, so you're happy with:
  • 12" MacBook
  • 13" MacBook Air
  • 13" MacBook Pro with function keys
  • 13" MacBook Pro with Touch Bar
  • 15" MacBook Pro with Touch Bar
But this is "gross":
  • 12" MacBook
  • 13" MacBook
  • 14" MacBook Pro
  • 15" MacBook Pro

You must blindly follow Apples decisions...
13" has been a sweet spot for quite some time. It makes sense to have multiple offerings. Three models is a transitional offering as they phase out non-retina screens. Your line-up doesn't include a $999, non-retina entry level model.
 
Imagine the price of the mentioned 32GB MacBook Pro. If Apple positions that laptop as an even more premium version of the current MacBook Pros, I can't even fathom the asking price. Wowza! :eek:
 
Very funny that Phil said that Apple didn't want to go above 16GB of ram because it would have a negative effect on the battery. Now rumors speculate that the 15inch could come with 32GB ram.
Maybe that is because the low-power version of the RAM used will be available later in 2017 in chips that allow 32 GB in the current MBP design?

Ok, I know this doesn't look likely in 2017, but this rather puts questions on this rumour.
 
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I just spent $3K on my new MacBook Pro 15" touch bar laptop. Yikes! A new one coming in a few months? Are they mad? I love my new computer. It's really fast. Like the touch bar feature, love the speed. Wish I could have bought the one with the 1 gig hard drive. Hate the idea that I can't upgrade it. However, 16 gb for ram is plenty; I wouldn't pay for 32gb. A faster processor would always be nice.

This is a great machine though. Hope they don't really update it until the fall. I'm planning to use this one for four years... I can't afford to buy a $3K computer ever year....

Though I love my new MacBook Pro. So much faster than my MacBook Air. I'm keeping the air for when I travel; it's small and still works well (I got it with 8 gb of ram way back when). But this new machine with a separate graphics card is awesome.
 
Right, so you're happy with:
  • 12" MacBook
  • 13" MacBook Air
  • 13" MacBook Pro with function keys
  • 13" MacBook Pro with Touch Bar
  • 15" MacBook Pro with Touch Bar
But this is "gross":
  • 12" MacBook
  • 13" MacBook
  • 14" MacBook Pro
  • 15" MacBook Pro

You must blindly follow Apples decisions...
Because I think your lineup is crap means I blindly follow Apple?

1) every inch increments is stupid. No reason to do any of that.
2) air is discontinued so why bring that up?
3) single inch increments for MacBook and pro, completely idiotic to do that with not enough differentiation. Just have 13 and 15.
4) yes I am happy. A portable 12 inch lightweight laptop, a 13 inch pro laptop that is more budget than high end top laptop, a 13 inch more portable top laptop and a 15 inch top laptop.
 
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32Gb should be standard by now on a pro laptop like the MBP with a BTO of 64gb.
Maybe the MBP isn't a 'pro-laptop' (as defined by requirements that high-end imaging and video processing requires). Maybe the MBP (and before it the PowerBook line) never was used in that capacity by more than a very small percentage of its buyers. Maybe the 15" MBP is simply the Mac laptop for people that want a 15" screen and decent, but not great, computing power?
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3) single inch increments for MacBook and pro, completely idiotic to do that with not enough differentiation. Just have 13 and 15.
Yes, single-inch increments generally don't make sense. They only make sense if something fundamentally different differentiates the two computers, as it is the case with the 12" MB and the 13" MBP (even the one with only two ports). Different CPU class, different size and weight class.
 
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I'd be pretty p**sed if I'd waited and forked out for a new redesigned MacBook Pro, overpriced as it is for just 16GB RAM, then they release an option for 32GB later in the year because they couldn't be bothered to on launch? Apple's screwing of customers knows no bounds. ;)

You should send Apple a nice thank you letter for making the RAM soldered so you cant upgrade it and thus being stuck with garbage.
 
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Apple's internal data shows less than 5% of users have EVER used the SD slot on Macs which contain them. Seems pretty silly to include them and charge everyone the price of doing so, when so few use them.

Let the couple people that need an SD reader buy one for a couple dollars and save the rest of us a couple bucks.


Save the rest of us a couple of bucks...

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I have yet to utilize the full 16gb of RAM... Sure 32gb will be cool, more of a bragging right.

I have a late 2011 MBP 15 with 16 GB of memory and to honest I almost never go past 80% memory utilization.

A few years from now when I hope to have dual 5k displays and I'm editing 4K video while doing other things, I seriously doubt 16GB will be enough. I could be wrong but $4,000+ the new MBPs really should come with 32 GB anyway IMHO.
 
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