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Good! I don't want a machine that's so thin it flexes.
No, it's not like that, at least for me. you need to own one. It's so light that it's not an issue. If it was heavier, it would be, absolutley.

Mind you, I ordered the 16". But the Samsung is very good. I will compare them, and sell one. WTF. I also have an MI Air which is mediocre actually. Powerfull and cool running, but that's it.

They screwed me royally when they axed the MB 12".
 
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For me there are only two things to complain about, and the notch is not one of those:

- The loss of one USB-C port
- Additional 16GB of RAM when you go from 16GB to 32GB is exactly the same price ($400) as an additional 32GB of RAM when you go from 32GB to 64GB, which is ridiculous
 
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What is it about that side profile that looks so ugly and dated? Is it the pronounced feet? Or the asymmetry?
It's the feet -- but those feet mean cooler running and quieter. I feel like MacBook Pro has been form over function for too long and a lack of feet for a higher watt pro machine was almost criminal.
 
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seems to line up with what we’ve been hearing for The redesigned MacBook Air. the 13 inch air was a better option than the 13 inch pro because of the weight savings yet similar performance.
 
Do the notch haters really prefer larger bezels?
They have no realistic solutions for whatever it is they think they want, which is why they offer none. All they do is say, "I hate change." Just put black tape on the top 1/2 inch of the screen and you'll be right back to the way things were before. Imagine being upset that you've been given more screen real estate.

The smaller bezels are something Apple laptops have needed for years and it's exciting to finally get them. You won't even notice the notch after about 2 minutes of use, it's a tiny fraction of the screen compared to the iPhone notch and 99% of people don't notice that one.
 
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I mean, it's really ugly - it's utilitarian, it looks like a 2009 MacBook Pro. But hey that's what everyone on this forum wanted from a Pro machine so I guess none of those people are complaining now.
That's the problem IMO, it's not utilitarian, they've made weird design decisions like having a black keyboard surround. That has no useful function so it's not utilitarian, it doesn't look good so it's not aesthetic, it's just... odd. The profile is also very unbalanced, though as I won't be looking at that too much that's of secondary concern.
 
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Take the money now Apple!

That notch is HIDEOUS, but I'm glad they've backtracked on just about everything they've done to the MBP for the past 8 years. A worthy upgrade to my workhorse machine.
The notch is rediculous, what the hell is wrong with Apple. We stare at the screen 99.9% of the time, just to see a notch for .1% of the time it’s ever used.

what the hell. I mean, how stupid can you be. I mean, at least make it a tiny camera hole, like the Samsung phone.
Why are they so dumb? They make awsome hardware, and then do something as stupid as this.
 
The notch is rediculous, what the hell is wrong with Apple. We stare at the screen 99.9% of the time, just to see a notch for .1% of the time it’s ever used.

what the hell. I mean, how stupid can you be. I mean, at least make it a tiny camera hole, like the Samsung phone.
Why are they so dumb? They make awsome hardware, and then do something as stupid as this.

The notch takes away space that I need for big menus and statusbar icons...
 
Apple has been getting excoriated by Pro users for the last 5 years over the last-generation machines, which were driven by aesthetics, not functionality. They were the ultimate expression of Jony Ive’s design hubris.

All he was concerned about was making them thinner and lighter. RAM and SDD were soldered to the board. Batteries were glued inside. Their thermal management was not up to par during heavy processor and GPU use. Their keyboard was engineered to be ridiculously thin, but had uncomfortably short key travel, and was so fragile, it was subsequently broken by the slightest bit of dust or debris getting under the keys. They exclusively used a new I/O port (USB-C) that nobody had adopted yet, and had NONE of the ports people actually used (HDMI, Ethernet) and cared about (MagSafe). The Touch Bar introduced an answer to a question nobody asked, and in the process, moved the newly non-tactile [esc] key far enough to the right to force millions of developers and coders to re-train their muscle memory for an often-used key.

What Ive designed was a beautiful machine that utterly failed at its job for the Pro market it was intended for.

These new machines are like a big mea culpa for Apple, and a big SCREW YOU to Jony Ive and his studio of sycophants who were too spineless to stand up to him and champion the actual Pro users of their products.

Sadly, there’s still no USB-A or Ethernet ports, so many users will still have to keep a couple of dongles around, but these are a triumph for the users, and a throwback to the design of the Titanium G4 and first-generation Intel MacBook Pros that were still beautiful, but also incredibly powerful and useful tools for professionals.
 
I like these machines overall, I even like the design. (The notch is "wait and see" but given how it was implemented it's interesting.)

There are machines where light and thin to the max make sense. These machines even have a name that implies that's the point: MacBook Airs.

While I don't want to tote around some kind of brick... if you're on the road with a 16" laptop, reducing weight and bulk is not your main priority, especially with thermal dispensation and battery life compromises. I think Apple's struck a better balance here than the previous generation. Portables are always compromises of sorts, but the direction of compromise on "Pro" machines is decidedly different than "Air" machines.

I bet there's still someone on the forum, somewhere, crying about USB-A ports.

Ha. That's me. Not crying per se, but I would have preferred a single USB-A to HDMI. (I've been on the all USB-C/TB train since the late 2016 machines were released though.)

The rest of the machine is hideous looking but hey, functional I guess, if you want those horrible legacy ports.

Are they really "horrible"? I've always been in favor of removing legacy stuff when it is some kind of hinderance or can be replaced with something better.

In this case though does MagSafe, HDMI, or an SD-Card slot actually impede something? It's not as visually clean but... I mean... is that even particularly important?
 
Who cares about this stuff. My goodness, get a grip.

1000 to 1600 nits, million contrast ratio, 120hz, 10 to 32 cores. be happy :)

Also, a USB-C port sort of works like a magi-safe (at least it's saved me a few times). But it's not designed to be that way.
 
The notch is rediculous, what the hell is wrong with Apple. We stare at the screen 99.9% of the time, just to see a notch for .1% of the time it’s ever used.

what the hell. I mean, how stupid can you be. I mean, at least make it a tiny camera hole, like the Samsung phone.
Why are they so dumb? They make awsome hardware, and then do something as stupid as this.
#notchmageddon
 
They have to, otherwise no one would buy the ipad as a "computer replacement".
 
I think the tradeoffs are definitely worth the extra weight and thickness. These new MBP's look like beasts. I'm very excited. The notch doesn't bother me. The increased resolution seems worth it as well.

Does anyone else agree that the 16" MBP with 32GB ram and 1TB SSD at $3,099 might actually be priced more competitively than expected?
No. I think the entry level should have been 32G of ram. 16G or ram today is like 8G of ram 5 years ago.
 
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Holy Sh** there’sa notch?!?!
Talk about doubling down on stupidity.
It seems less obtrusive than on an iPhone, which has a notch interfering in the full screen landscape view. If the notch gets in the way of full-screen apps, though, that might be weird.
 
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