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Yeah, I totally get it. I’m just pointing out that it’s not a flattering look in the promo images, compared to the previous gen.
I’m sure it’ll be a non-issue in real world use but I wish they would’ve found a clever way to reduce the visibility of those feet. Just me being nit picky over a machine that is well outside of my needs and budget. 😅
I get what you mean, but using the computer normally reduces the visibility of the feet.
 
Note also the M1 Max version is another 0.1 pound heavier than the M1 Pro, making it almost 12% heavier than an Intel version.
 
I'm guessing you haven't done any of that using a dongle. My son uses his MacBook Pro for studio recording, he needs to hook up 3 USB-A devices, and when you have 3 USB-A's connected to a dongle, it puts a LOT of leveraged stress on that tiny USB-C port. That's without moving the laptop, just plugging those cables and draping them carefully across the able puts a ton of leveraged stress on the USB-C port.

Of course, it's a laptop, so it's supposed to be movable, and it actually needs to be movable when you are recording, but you can't move it at all because there is already a ton of stress from 3 USB-A cable with a couple of inches of leverage.

With his prior Macbook Pro (model just before the 2016 version), he could plug everything in and move it around without any concern whatsoever ever about stress on the USB-A port.

The new version sucks to work with, and the old version was great. Your mileage may vary, but that doesn't help our mileage.

USB-C is a "superior connector" functionally, there is now question about that. Physically, however, it is insufficient for leveraged force from a dongle. I'm surprised the USB-C ports still work on his MacBook, the USB-C cables feel loose now when you plug them in.
I suggest getting USB-C to USB-B cables. USB-B is on the device end, and USB-C is on the Mac end. Not a converter dongle, so less strain on the port.
 
The biggest annoyance for me is the loss of two thunderbolt ports on each side - i'd have been a lot less annoyed had they put HDMI etc on as well as, not instead of, a 4th Thunderbolt port.

I've been pointing this out elsewhere—because my initial revulsion was at the idea that the HDMI port came instead of Thunderbolt 4. I don't think that's the case though. I haven't looked at the tech specs deeply, but I think 3 ports might be limitation of the silicon. The HDMI port happens to be where we had a TB port before, but that's merely positioning.

The M1 support was a little funky already: only two ports and only one display (pus the USB 4/Thunderbolt 3 moniker).

Realistically, with a separate charging option, the number if people hindered by 3 TB4 Ports is probably pretty small. I've never once needed all four TB3 ports to be strictly TB3. (I guess they could have included a USB-C only port, kinda like on the iMacs but... good heavens... I really hate when devices mix Thunderbolt and USB-C or have some ports support charging.)
 
I cannot believe it's finally here. This is no doubt the best MacBook Pro since 2015.

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I’ll give you that, we await proper tests but no doubt in its target applications these new machines will smoke. Not sure about the mini led screen though given the blooming effects in the iPad Pro 12.9” with that tech.
We wont get rid of that until we have light-emitting pixels once again (micro-LED, if that ever gets to a point where it's feasible to manufacture at current pixel densities; and it might not). Pick your poison: a lack of ANY true blacks, or some true blacks with light bloom around the bright areas...
 
There are other humans in the world. A LOT of those humans have the need to connect to HDMI, especially for business. I can't think of anything stupider, less professional, less convenient, and more error prone than having to rely on dongle to connect to a client's display system.
Hyperbole much? HDMI adapters are ubiquitous and rock solid.
 
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I HAVE to give it up to Tim Cook.

He backpedaled A LOT that pissed pro users off in the MBPs since 2016.

Even if he introduced one thing to piss some off (you all KNOW what it is), he tasked his team to mitigate it via software.

I don't recall an Apple backpedal this big.

For sure, Jony would not have allowed this.
 
Same here. If I want a thin notebook, I can get a Macbook Air. If I want power and versatility, I can get a Macbook Pro.

They should have never tried to "Air-ize" the MBP. The nice thing is with the M1 CPU now Macbook Airs have decent performance so are a great option for more people who want a thin lightweight laptop.

Same deal on the desktop side. I hope the successor to the 27" iMac is more pro-oriented, with more ports than the 24" version they just released and no power brick.
I am entirely happy with external PSUs. I still don't understand why anyone thinks they're a negative. The heat stays OUT of the computer body where heat is bad for performance, and if the PSU fries, you don't open the machine (and possibly replace the motherboard, in these compact machines); you just get a new brick. Desktop machines should be doing this, but mostly don't.
 


Apple today announced completely redesigned 14-inch and 16-inch MacBook Pro models that in the case of the 16-inch model is unsurprisingly thicker and heavier than the previous generation.

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Apple announced a new 14-inch model that replaced the high-end Intel 13-inch MacBook Pros. Given the larger screen, it's not fair to compare the two models. What is fair game, however, is to take a look at the new 16-inch MacBook Pro compared to the previous generation. We've put side by side the weight, height, and depth differences for the new 16-inch MacBook Pro compared to the previous generation.

2021 16-inch MacBook Pro
  • Weight: 4.7 pounds (2.1 kg)
  • Height: 0.66 inches (1.68 cm)
  • Depth: 9.77 inches (24.81 cm)
  • Width: 14.01 inches (35.37 cm)


2019 16-inch MacBook Pro
  • Weight: 4.3 pounds (2.0 kg)
  • Height: 0.64 inches (1.62 cm)
  • Depth: 9.68 inches (24.59 cm)
  • Width: 14.09 inches (35.79 cm)

As you can see from above, the new 16-inch MacBook Pro is nearly 9% heavier than the previous generation and is also slightly thicker. The new MacBook Pros feature a redesigned designed body, that is not also thicker and heavier, but also includes more I/O ports and new features. Learn more about these new MacBook Pros here.

Article Link: New 16-Inch MacBook Pro is Thicker and Heavier Than Previous Generation
To darn expensive. Was considering getting my first Apple laptop. I use Apple products for everything else but with an investor mindset I can’t see dropping that kind of money two thousand dollars for 14 inch screen. Uggh!
 
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should of added a optical disk drive and a floppy drive and usb 4 ports
May Apple should create a portable dock with drives and an extra battery. Going back to 2008 isn’t far enough. I think they should go back to pre 2000 🤣
 
I am entirely happy with external PSUs. I still don't understand why anyone thinks they're a negative. The heat stays OUT of the computer body where heat is bad for performance, and if the PSU fries, you don't open the machine (and possibly replace the motherboard, in these compact machines); you just get a new brick. Desktop machines should be doing this, but mostly don't.
As someone who deploys a lot of iMacs into a professional environment, it's one more stupid thing we have to secure and lock down.

Nobody cares if an IEC cord gets stolen; we have boxes full of spares. If one of these gets stolen it's expensive and a pain in the ass to replace.
 
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I suggest getting USB-C to USB-B cables. USB-B is on the device end, and USB-C is on the Mac end. Not a converter dongle, so less strain on the port.

The "dongle" he is using is a cable of sorts -- a small rectangle with 3 USBA ports and short cable to the USBC ports. It pulls like hell on the USBC port even if you are really delicate with the USBA cables.
 
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It's not very good. It's usable but it's Apple we're talking about. And you wouldn't believe how much macOS stutters even on the latest machine if you select like four hundred photos and drag them to some place where you want them. On the other hand Windows is totally smooth even on a decade old machine in all parts of the OS. I think I'm not very demanding if I want my latest and greatest Mac to have completely smooth interface. It's like the most basic thing on any computer.
I have long felt that Apple don't stress test anything. They come up with a nifty animation, check to make sure it looks nice with a few dragged icons, and then consider it finished and never look at it again. Same goes for a lot of other stuff (especially in iOS). Their obsession with pushing for new features to sell the same product again every year keeps them from optimizing existing features, or fixing features that never really worked to begin with (like the multi-select modes in iOS, which, after seeing my mother's device with iOS 14 on it, seems they finally addressed after six or seven MAJOR releases).
 
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It boggles my mind that Apple literally reversed 8 years of 'innovation' on the MBP only to bring back in ceremonial fashion all the features they replaced.
 
Seems a few on here are unhappy the new MacBooks arent a realisation of the "Apple Wheel". For the rest who get stuff done, the computers are a positive step forward and are a common sense design. Apple should do well with them, although the lack of Intel VM support with the changeover to new processors will dent sales a bit. Won't be noticed in the initial rush for updates, but longer term might be a noticeable trend. Yeah some people actually need Windows and x64 Linux to do their jobs. That said, Apple has always made its own path and with these laptops they can make a convincing argument why. Now the business user has a convincing alternative to Intel to consider.
 
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Hyperbole much? HDMI adapters are ubiquitous and rock solid.
Because of extending further out with plugs, they put stress on the Thunderbolt/USB-C port and are more apt. People are better off using a dock, but that's even more to carry then. Ideally, a cable with an integrated converter would be used, but the electronics are usually in the plug, which can introduce the same issue of stress on the socket.
 
I HAVE to give it up to Tim Cook.

He backpedaled A LOT that pissed pro users off in the MBPs since 2016.

Even if he introduced one thing to piss some off (you all KNOW what it is), he tasked his team to mitigate it via software.

I don't recall an Apple backpedal this big.

For sure, Jony would not have allowed this.
Why are you crediting Tim Cook? Do you think he makes product-design-level decisions at Apple like Steve Jobs did? He's an operations person, not a design or usability person.
 
Magsafe is immensely better than using USBC

I've always been bothered with the idea that people thought MagSafe was just better. It's not. This implementation is great because it's really a best of both worlds situation... but if I had to pick one, it was USB-C all day, every day:
  • No more proprietary charger
  • No more proprietary connector
  • Allowed single plug for data and power
  • Could use ports on either side for charging
MagSafe is nice if you're plugged in at an airport or in a conference room. I get it. If you're plugged in with kids running around, also great.

The question is, when and why are you actually plugged in for these scenarios anymore? In the age of 15+ hours of battery life, why on earth are you plugged in while not at a desk for hours on end. I still don't get the pining for MagSafe. Am I the only one who works at a desk where my cables aren't easily tripped on? I have kids and dogs and all that. That's why, when I use my laptop in those scenarios, I don't plug it in. I can get through an entire work day on a full charge.

When battery life in the real world was more like 4 hours, this was really, really nice. But seriously, why do people think this is such a big deal at this point? What is the real world scenario where you need to be constantly plugged in somewhere that tripping is a high risk? I'm sure there are legit scenarios for this, but they're niche now.

Heck, I'm more likely to be in a situation where I forgot a charger than in a tripping zone. USB-C lets me borrow pretty much every modern charger from anyone else at this point.
 
Hyperbole much? HDMI adapters are ubiquitous and rock solid.

Yeah, probably a little hyperbole in there if you limit it to HDMI, but if you need USB, Ethernet, HDMI, etc -- to me the 2016-2020 Macbook Pros are the absolute worst thing you want in a business setting. I never know what I need to connect to in any business setting because it's different in every client. I don't want to plan my dongle strategy in advance and carry around crap in my pocket. When I'm in a business setting, fumbling with dongles is the exact opposite of professional.

And yes, I agree that dongles work fine, but that USB-C connector is so physically weak that it can't handle the stress that dongles with heavier cables or multiple cables on them.
 
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To darn expensive. Was considering getting my first Apple laptop. I use Apple products for everything else but with an investor mindset I can’t see dropping that kind of money two thousand dollars for 14 inch screen. Uggh!
What do you mean "with an investor mindset"?
 
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