New 24-Inch 4K Monitor Detailed on Dell's Website [Update: $1399]

[klknoles]

Use With ThunderBolt 1 (Non-ThunderBolt 2) Macs?

I'm fairly certain that ThunderBolt 1 users are out of luck being able to plug into 4K displays (with an adapter should the display not be ThunderBolt/Mini DisplayPort native) for the full resolution due to bandwidth limitations, but all may not be lost. Since a number of Macs (iMacs & the MacBook Pro) have 2 ports, it should be possible for a third party to develop a ...uh... doohickey that can use the combined bandwidth of the two ports in conjunction with software/drivers (and maybe even a scary firmware update!) to get 3840x2160 resolution to work. This is not without precedent as that was the only way to drive the IBM T220/T221 with the primitive DVI of the time. If something like this were developed, it might even be possible to use any extra ports (like the Mac Mini's HDMI and the MacBook Pro's HDMI) to assist a single ThunderBolt port to achieve that res. (though possibly a moot point since the MacBook Pro's HDMI can already do 4K, albeit at low refresh rates.)

There are tons of non ThunderBolt 2 Macs out there and until ThunderBolt 2 is on every new Mac, the numbers will keep growing, so there will be plenty of market for this theoretical ...doohickey. Once 4K displays are available at realistic prices (sub $500), I'll be itching to get one without having to get a new Mac and I can't be the only one. An adapter or even an Apple supported solution (!?) (A future 4K Apple Thunderbolt Display that supports a single ThunderBolt 2 port/cable or optionally the use of a couple for Thunderbolt 1) would be extremely popular. But should something like this not come to pass, a sizable market will be excluded from using 4K displays due to ThunderBolt 2 coming too late. If only they could have introed it sooner...

 

[derbladerunner]

I hope Apple doesn't cut corners after waiting so long to update their monitors.

At leeast two features not present on the Dell monitor are needed (and of course Thunderbolt ports, but I think that's a given coming from Apple):

- higher 4096 x 2160 "Cinema 4K"
- HDMI 2.0 ports

I think HDMI 2.0 is really important to add other sources in the future.

 

[AlterZgo]

The 32" version is selling for $3500 now on the Dell website. However, I see prices falling rapidly in the near future. Dell cannot compete at that high price point when the Chinese begin flooding the market with cheap displays such as this under $500 4K Seiki 39" monitor.

FWIW, the 50" 4K Seiki is less than $800.

Granted these monitors have virtually no features, but they do have a 4K panel and they seem to be working well per the reviews.

 

[iPhysicist]

With the forthcoming lousy Intel graphics chips in pretty much all macbooks and imacs, gaming will be rendered completely USELESS in OS X.

No video card on an imac or macbook could handle that kind of resolution unless your significantly crippling the quality settings or playing a very old game.

I like the resolution, but GPU options in apple computers has gone to *****. It used to be pretty bad.... now its next to non-existent.

yeah - more mac for the working people - yeah

 

[gnasher729]

Great... And the current applications on my computer just caught up to supporting the resolution on my current retina mac.

Which is fine, because then they will work with this monitor without any change. Apple has supported pixel doubling on external monitors from the moment Retina displays were delivered, mostly to support developers who could test whether their software worked well with a Retina display without being a rMBP.

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Now all we really need is 4K content. Sure that looks like a great monitor, and Dell's tend to be competitively priced too, but without a lot more 4K Ultra HD son tent, it's not going to make a great deal of difference...except for looking better than my iMac

Open TextEdit. Start typing. Voila - 4K content.

 

[jeffzoom91]

Alright...so we know the panels exist.

That said, the logistics of running a panel like this are pretty rough at the moment. We're getting to the point where I'd be including 500px images for even small icons in my desktop applications.

When the whole OS is doing stuff like that, even full motion video is asking a lot of a graphics chip, especially when you need to do it without it even getting warm...

However...exciting times ahead.

 

[compute]

I would buy a Dell monitor over an Apple monitor any day....from all monitors i worked on NEC and Dell are by far the best....Apple however always has the most crapy monitors "ever".....if its not the gloss its the yellow tinting or ...etc

I stay far away from apple monitors and could care less about them making a 4K one

 

[vmachiel]

I love the 24-inch size. Now I wish I needed one

 

[macduke]

I hope that with the new 4K Thunderbolt Display Apple doesn't leave us early rMBP adopters in the dark. If I remember correctly, the old Apple 30" Cinema Display had the capability of using two DVI ports to run it. Considering my 2012 rMBP has a fast graphics card and two Thunderbolt ports (seriously, when would I ever use two?), perhaps it would be possible to make an adapter to run 4K off of the two ports? $50 splitter adapter and I'm sold. Anyone knowledgable care to chime in on whether or not that would be possible?

My nearly 6 year old DS-263N champ is going out and the colors are shifted beyond calibration. I can't even get it to connect to DVI in Mavericks (it annoyingly auto-connects input and I think the timeout window is shorter in 10.9?), and getting it to connect to my 360 takes multiple attempts and it sometimes flickers. Between just purchasing a higher-end rMini and Xbox One, I really don't want to have to buy both a new Mac and a Thunderbolt Display anytime soon just to get a good new external monitor. And since this will likely last me another 5–6 years, I don't want to be stuck with a lower pixel-density display until practically 2020.

 

[phrehdd]

Which fairytale world are you living in?

An Apple 4K display for $250? That 39" Seiki you mention is a complete piece of ****, it only supports HDMI at up to 30 Hz at 4K.

Your eyes will be bleeding in no time looking at that.

The Seiki is crap for other reasons. Most movies are shot at 24p so that being able to do 23.x and 29.x frames would be great for typical 4K transfers from masters used for most blu ray and dvd.

However, they still are crap for various reasons and certainly not usable for any high frame rate requirements.

 

[Tech198]

Neat monitor .....

It'll take time for media to catch up, till then, we can all enjoy 4k with out 4K content we need to produce with our expensive camcorders.

Thats probably about all we're seeing

It's like Blue-ray...... It there, but mkst of the time your gonna be buying a blue-ray player just to play DVD's on.. While some movies are Blue-ray, 90% of movies are still DVD only, i cluding the older movies black and white movies etc.

It'll take a while, but i dunno how fast it will be to adopt 4K over-night.

Just because its there, doesn't mean anything. I mean look at how 3D did.

It needs to be something which is a real changer...... Somthing which will be the 'norm'. Maybe 4K will, but by the time it becomes the norm, 8K will be here.

While i see this taking off, how many PC's ship with 4K support?? That's the thing... It's either everyone, or it's gonna only be targeted for those small groups.

 

[MacHumors]

32" is just a thumbnail.

 

[Mr. Retrofire]

still 60hz?
what are we, still in 90's?

The GUI refresh rate in Windows & OS X is 60 Hz. You should write your own OS.

 

[Alenore]

I don't get it. 24"? Hey, here's a 9" display that's 16K. Anyone interested??

Who's going to use a 24" 4K display? A 24" display at 2560x1440 would be all anyone would ever need in a display that small.

So I suppose 2560x1600 in a 13" rMBP is totally stupid too ?

 

[jebbe]

I understand integrated graphics on MacBooks, but why iMacs???! They're desktop computers! Nobody cares about an iMac's battery life! But even with a dedicated GPU, good luck playing a high-graphics game at 4K.

That's a huge gripe of mine with current iMacs, they're basically glorified laptops masquerading as desktop computers. They don't have dedicated graphics cards cause then they couldn't keep it all stupid and thin.

 

[Shagrat]

At least they are slightly adjustable up and down, unlike Apple monitors. If you are over 6", you need to put it on a book or buy a booster stand for it, or throw the stand away and buy a complete VESA desktop mount for it.

Over 6"? That would at least mean that you would be in the correct scale for Stonehenge...

 

[iPhysicist]

Over 6"? That would at least mean that you would be in the correct scale for Stonehenge...

Nice catch loved it!

 

[hopi]

It's ugly as heck too.

Yes, you are so damn right - don't they have the slightest baseline for aesthetics? It is pain for the eyes!

 

[chaosbunny]

It's ugly as heck too.

Just because you can't see your reflection in it!

 

[SirHaakon]

Word on the street is it will retail for $1,400 and there will be a value-priced 28" option (reduced color gamma, less connectivity options) for under $1K:

http://www.techpowerup.com/195282/dell-launches-24-inch-ultra-hd-monitor-preps-28-inch-model.html

That's actually a pretty awesome price for a quality 4K monitor.

 

[Tech198]

So I suppose 2560x1600 in a 13" rMBP is totally stupid too ?

Actually, on a 13" it woyld. Too small for a rudiculios resolution. Expect this only only a 15".

Gone are the days i thought Dell, Asus and etc would do this on a 13" to try and sell them, make them popular fir the same reason why Apple does.


I just never thought Apple would be in the same space

Small screen + ridiculios resolution.= eyestrain

At which point would you wany a "ultra-book" but an acceptable resolution, which also saying "the best resolution as most others advertising in the same area." ?

I don't mind if orop,e can actally eirk for hours on end on these suoer high res small screens, but what fees comfirtable, wiuld make more sense, and if that means bugger screen, so be it.

 

[c0ppo]

1399$ for this Dell Monitor? Heres source of my info:
http://www.techpowerup.com/195282/dell-launches-24-inch-ultra-hd-monitor-preps-28-inch-model.html

If that's so, I'm gonna get two of these babies right away

 

[Miharu]

So, there couldn't be just one new standard resolution but two? And in a weird aspect ratio too? And do Macs support 4k resolution through Displayport at 60 or 30 hz?

 

[SirHaakon]

So, there couldn't be just one new standard resolution but two? And in a weird aspect ratio too? And do Macs support 4k resolution through Displayport at 60 or 30 hz?

The UHD standard is 3840x2160... what other resolution are you speaking of?
The monitor's aspect ratio is 16:9... that's the only UHD standard, as well as the standard aspect for HD content as well... how is that "weird?"

 

[iisdan]

Holy ****, I just realized, 4k is not 4k at all.... 720p is 720 pixels up... 1080p is 1080 pixels up.... but 4k is only 2000 up? WHAT?! This is 2k. We have been lied to. Thanks but I'll wait for 4k.