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New 4K Apple TV Could Feature Revamped Siri Remote With Haptic Feedback

Theophany said:
Man if Apple find out whoever leaked this iOS GM to MR and 9to5 they're never working in the Valley again.
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They did it themselves. Notice how the highest quality "leaks" only ever happen within a week of the Keynote?

Statistically, these leaks increase searches related to Apple and their products, which have been shown to have a direct correlation with sales.

"Leaking" this information builds the hype even bigger, gets more people tuning into the Keynote, builds more excitement, and thus increases sales.
 
Does anyone know if there will be 24p Support for the new ATV? This is the only thing I‘m looking for.
 
BruiserBear said:
The complaints about the remote are amusing. Some people calling it too complex, some calling it too minimalist. lol
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It's not uncommon to see those criticisms together where design weaknesses exist. True minimalism is a function of good design: the controls do everything that is needed and nothing not needed is present. But if the controls don't do what is needed, or if they do so in a sub-optimal, non-intuitive way, the experience often seems overly complex. The ATV 4 remote strikes me as a well-intentioned failure.
 
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DocMultimedia said:
Please oh please, let someone with some design sense come up with the new one. I don't want a metal stick that has no external markings at all, and you have to "use the force" to get anything to happen.
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That was really, really funny. I can't explain why I enjoyed it so much, but I did. :D Thank you.
 
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BWhaler said:
Great news. The current AppleTV remote is terrible on the usability front. It represents a lot of what is wrong with Jonny Ive's design team and what is missing now that Steve is gone. Minimalism is great...but not at the cost of usability, Makes me wonder if anyone really USES some of the products...not just study them...
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I agree that the ATV 4 remote is terrible, but it doesn't feel like a Jonny Ive design to me. Compare it, for example, to the Apple Watch, which is near perfect from a hardware design perspective. The Watch's Digital Crown is simply astounding in its combination of power, flexibility, and simplicity. The ATV 4 remote -- not so much. If I had to guess, this remote seems like the work of someone trying to emulate Ive but not really understanding what makes his stuff work. I could be wrong, of course, but this remote just doesn't seem to have Ive's fingerprints on it.
 
I won't be buying a new Apple TV any time soon. I have multiple 4th Gens and don't need or want 4k. If the remote is a big improvement then I might consider just snagging 1 or 2 of those.
 
2010mini said:
Easy solution for number 1: purchase the wristband.
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I used an insulin pump that had an integrated Continuous Glucose Monitor (CGM) built into it.
When I complained that the CGM sensors were pulling out, due to horrible design, they were eager to sell me more tape to hold it on. Not a bad gig. You either pay $20 for a new sensor, or $3 for more tape. I told them the problem was their design, not that my body wasn't a flat box that they did their design work on. Multitudes of people had the same problem. I went to Walgreens and bought some tape for $2.50 for a roll that lasted me 3 months, not $3 over tape that lasted 3 days. I never bought another CGM system from them again, and that was 8 years ago. They fell in love with their design, and refused to address the root cause of their design, and their solution was always, "more tape." That decision cost them about $40,000 from me as a customer, plus every time I talk about them, I bring it up in Diabetic Groups that I attend.

The root causes of the Apple TV remote are these:
1. Too small. Solution: Buy a $20 tether. Wait... that's the "more tape" solution. You don't like our product, we'll sell you some more stuff so you like it... In fairness to Apple, this really isn't an issue for me. We lose the large remotes as well.
2. Color of the Remote makes it easy to get lost. Current Solution: Turn the light on. A better solution: make a remote that can ping back. No remote that comes with a tv has a ping back function (not sure on that one...)
3. Obtuse Symmetry of remote. Yeah, this one bugs me too. It would be nice to have tactile feedback as to which way you're holding the remote. I mean, do these guys ever take these things home and try to use them? These designers need to be put in a room with the USB (pre-C) designers and see who can come up with a worse design for a product. The odds of getting USB (pre-C) backwares is 50%, yet I manage to do it 75-80% of the time on the first go. Same with the Apple TV4 Remote. The seconds that the Apple Watch gives me each day are taken back by the Apple TV remote. Whoever said that the iPad should be a touch version of the TV screen is a genius.


Well, that's all I have on this. The power is out here in Charleston, so I can't find other issues.
 
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bookcase said:
I have three 4th generation Apple TVs and I think they work flawlessly, so I don't see a need to upgrade. I don't have 4K TVs and don't see myself upgrading anytime soon, so I don't see the point. Maybe one day in the future.
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The point is that, TRUE FACT, Apple does not make its products for you and no-one else! Hard, even impossible to believe, I know, but true!!

You're not in the market for a new aTV? Great. But turns out that there are plenty of people who own an aTV3 that is now pretty darn old. Or they recently bought a 4K TV. Or they don't yet even own an aTV.

And THOSE people appreciate having a better model on the market.
 
Jago said:
I otherwise really like my current-gen Apple TV, but the remote is ATROCIOUS. I merely find it clunky and cumbersome, but when anyone who comes over tries to use it, they find it to be near-impossible.
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Great news you can throw it away and still use the Apple TV, amazing isn't it, no need to complain
 
BruiserB said:
I remember when Steve introduced the first Apple Remote and marveled at how simple it was. The newer ones are feature creeping their way to overly complex.

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This is not a useful analysis. Very few people are complaining that the remote is too complicated. They are complaining that it is badly designed
- easy to lose (because of color)
- can't intelligently reveal itself (eg beep or light up when pinged)
- can't be seen in the dark (every other TV remote lights up when pressed)
- looks and feels the same from every direction

None of these have to do with complexity. All of them have to do with an idiotic design whose starting point was "how can I create something that looks like it belongs in an art museum" rather than "how can I create something that actually performs the tasks people need to perform when they use a TV remote".
 
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JeffyTheQuik said:
I used an insulin pump that had an integrated Continuous Glucose Monitor (CGM) built into it.
When I complained that the CGM sensors were pulling out, due to horrible design, they were eager to sell me more tape to hold it on. Not a bad gig. You either pay $20 for a new sensor, or $3 for more tape. I told them the problem was their design, not that my body wasn't a flat box that they did their design work on. Multitudes of people had the same problem. I went to Walgreens and bought some tape for $2.50 for a roll that lasted me 3 months, not $3 over tape that lasted 3 days. I never bought another CGM system from them again, and that was 8 years ago. They fell in love with their design, and refused to address the root cause of their design, and their solution was always, "more tape." That decision cost them about $40,000 from me as a customer, plus every time I talk about them, I bring it up in Diabetic Groups that I attend.

The root causes of the Apple TV remote are these:
1. Too small. Solution: Buy a $20 tether. Wait... that's the "more tape" solution. You don't like our product, we'll sell you some more stuff so you like it... In fairness to Apple, this really isn't an issue for me. We lose the large remotes as well.
2. Color of the Remote makes it easy to get lost. Current Solution: Turn the light on. A better solution: make a remote that can ping back. No remote that comes with a tv has a ping back function (not sure on that one...)
3. Obtuse Symmetry of remote. Yeah, this one bugs me too. It would be nice to have tactile feedback as to which way you're holding the remote. I mean, do these guys ever take these things home and try to use them? These designers need to be put in a room with the USB (pre-C) designers and see who can come up with a worse design for a product. The odds of getting USB (pre-C) backwares is 50%, yet I manage to do it 75-80% of the time on the first go. Same with the Apple TV4 Remote. The seconds that the Apple Watch gives me each day are taken back by the Apple TV remote. Whoever said that the iPad should be a touch version of the TV screen is a genius.


Well, that's all I have on this. The power is out here in Charleston, so I can't find other issues.
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Even without the wristband, I find the remote easy to use. Even my child (6yo) figured out how to use it by herself.
 
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I drive a 2017 Civic, you know what? , I will find a civic forum and start a thread complaining about the 2010 version, makes as much sense as complaining about a remote that is not needed
 
2010mini said:
Even without the wristband, I find the remote easy to use. Even my child (6yo) figured out how to use it by herself.
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I don't think anyone in this thread said they couldn't figure out how to use it. They just said it's a terrible design, and it is.
 
The aesthetics of design are subjective, the functional aspect, not so much.

Take a look at the most liked post in the thread. The design is dogs**t.
 
OldSchoolMacGuy said:
They did it themselves. Notice how the highest quality "leaks" only ever happen within a week of the Keynote?

Statistically, these leaks increase searches related to Apple and their products, which have been shown to have a direct correlation with sales.

"Leaking" this information builds the hype even bigger, gets more people tuning into the Keynote, builds more excitement, and thus increases sales.
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Apple has been known to "leak" certain details but usually this is to dampen expectations (i.e, no iPhone at WWDC, back when that was the norm). And they don't go about it by releasing unfinished software--they tell the press, usually re/code.

This kind of leak is incredibly damaging. Literally the only things we don't know are the prices. If anything, my excitement for tomorrow is less than it would have been. There aren't going to be any significant surprises.

Anyway, Gruber's sources about this suggest that it definitely was not endorsed by Apple.
 
Cougarcat said:
The buttons have nothing to do with it. A remote's body shouldn't be symmetrical.
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You're talking about knowing what the correct orientation is, right? There are five buttons. Four are circles and the fifth is an oblong lozenge shape. The lozenge needs to be on the right for the correct orientation. You can either look at it or just feel the buttons when you pick it up. Pretty easy with so few buttons and such a small form factor.
 
Yet another reason why you should never buy any 1st gen Apple products: they will almost surely come up with a new version next year... If only they hadn't rushed to the market with a half-baked product just for the sake of releasing something...
 
gnipgnop said:
You're talking about knowing what the correct orientation is, right? There are five buttons. Four are circles and the fifth is an oblong lozenge shape. The lozenge needs to be on the right for the correct orientation. You can either look at it or just feel the buttons when you pick it up. Pretty easy with so few buttons and such a small form factor.
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You would think that it would be the case, but I frequently point the thing in the wrong direction regardless. Something about groping around with it in the dark, I guess.

Regardless, it would be immensely easier if the body weren't symmetrical. Also, by making it thicker you can also reduce the probability it will end up between a cushion.
 
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