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All the ridiculous whiners here over here for what is finally a good value for your money for a new out of the box product.
 
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I am getting confused now...
The other front page news mentioned the "New" 9.7 iPad teardown confirms it's basically an original iPad air.
But here it says it is "new".:eek:

Given that the internals are actually updated, is it still considered as "new" or "basically an original iPad air"?:confused:
The potential customers are going to go into a tizzy about whether its new or not. They'll just buy it and Apple will probably do well at this price point.
 
is that what you really think or are you just being a troll?? Of course this is not what apple is giving us in response to anything Samsung is doing....don't be silly. This is a simple retool of the bottom line. Do people not really understand this or are they perpetual complainers?? Strange
Because Apple has been doing such amazing things recently right? Its night and day when you look at what companies are truly innovating and changing the game compared to Apple recently.
 
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They will make a killing on these. On the fence people seeing the new price and it being a "new" item will jump on this.
 
I'm tempted to buy the new iPad. It looks like great value, and it would be my first iPad since buying an iPad 2 many years ago, which still gets used fairly regularly in our household.

However: The inability to have multiple users (and thus individual email accounts, safari password keychains, etc) is really holding me back. It makes the iPad hugely less useful in a family/household setting. I really hope Apple will finally sort this out in iOS 11.

The f'd up part about this is that they DO have it sorted, but only enable it for the Education market iPads.

Just one more example that angers me about how they trickle features out instead of actually building the best product possible.

That said, this iPad is about the only one that is about as close to a good value for what you get.

Tim is more shrewd than people give him credit for, even if I CANNOT STAND most of his decisions regarding the Apple product lineup.
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That's exactly the same Apple "logic" that's convinced our school not to purchase any further iPads. These things needed to have separate accounts AND be integrated with Open-Directory based network home-folders ages ago. Students being forced to transfer documents back-and-forth via. WebDav is such a joke. Apple has done a terrible job integrating these devices with existing network solutions because they desperately want 1 device per student; something which simply isn't reality for far too many schools. As a result, our 90ish iPads get used as research-devices only; all real work is done on the computers and iPads are being phased-out as they fail or are broken.

Looks like they had this multi-user setup (officially known as Shared iPad) implemented on iOS 9.3 a Freaking YEAR AGO:

https://arstechnica.com/apple/2016/...-to-ipads-along-with-more-features-and-fixes/

http://www.computerworld.com/articl...d-in-apples-ios-9-3-update-is-a-big-deal.html

This is now done through the "Apple School Manager" service:

http://www.apple.com/education/it/

Frustrating that I cannot do the same at home. REALLY frustrating.
 
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I went to Best Buy today and checked one of these new iPads out. The screen looks pretty poor next to the Pros and my iPad Air 2. Kind of dull looking.
 
iFixit did a tear down and came to the conclusion that this is essentially the original "iPad Air", but with a new name. #Courage
 
I went to Best Buy today and checked one of these new iPads out. The screen looks pretty poor next to the Pros and my iPad Air 2. Kind of dull looking.

Naturally, the iPad Pro would have a significantly better display with a wider color gamut and Tru-Tone display.

And even without the laminate display lacking of the new 9.7 inch iPad, it actually has a much brighter display over the iPad Air 2, so there is an advantage in that category.
 
Given that the internals are actually updated, is it still considered as "new" or "basically an original iPad air"?:confused:

The new iPad's A9 is 3 generations (A7 -> A8 -> A8X -> A9) ahead - and something like 5X faster - than the A7 CPU in the original iPad air.

Also lots of other updated hardware. Camera, TouchID, WiFi, cellular, bluetooth, etc will have all been updated compared to the original.
 
iFixit did a tear down and came to the conclusion that this is essentially the original "iPad Air", but with a new name. #Courage

It's a far cry from the iPad Air.

Air: 1.4GHz A7
iPad (2017): 1.85GHz A9

Air: 1 GB LPDDR3 RAM
iPad (2017): 2GB LPDDR4 RAM

Air: No Touch ID
iPad (2017): Touch ID

Air: No barometer
iPad (2017): Barometer

Air: Bluetooth 4.0
iPad (2017): Bluetooth 4.2

Air: 5MP Camera
iPad (2017): 8MP Camera

Air: 802.11 a/b/g/n
iPad (2017): 802.11 a/b/g/n/ac

In addition: 44% brighter screen, 2 years additional OS support, LTE band 12, gold colour.
 
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So after all the Samsung hype, here is what Apple gives us. Boooooring!

The one constant in the universe.
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It's a far cry from the iPad Air.

Air: 1.4GHz A7
iPad (2017): 1.85GHz A9

Air: 1 GB LPDDR3 RAM
iPad (2017): 2GB LPDDR4 RAM

Air: No Touch ID
iPad (2017): Touch ID

Air: No barometer
iPad (2017): Barometer

Air: Bluetooth 4.0
iPad (2017): Bluetooth 4.2

Air: 5MP Camera
iPad (2017): 8MP Camera

Air: 802.11 a/b/g/n
iPad (2017): 802.11 a/b/g/n/ac

In addition: 44% brighter screen, 2 years additional OS support, LTE band 12, gold colour.
Here you go...
https://www.macrumors.com/2017/03/30/ipad-fifth-generation-teardown-ifixit/
 
Because Apple has been doing such amazing things recently right? Its night and day when you look at what companies are truly innovating and changing the game compared to Apple recently.
Hopefully you can give us a list of game changing true innovations...
Google search engine was game changing, Facebook was game changing, iPhone was game changing...
 
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Hopefully you can give us a list of game changing true innovations...
Google search engine was game changing, Facebook was game changing, iPhone was game changing...
Facebook and google were not mobile device game changers. iPhone yes, but that was in 2007! I said "recently".
Dex, basically turns your phone into a computer with a file system, iris scanner, virtual reality with HD resolution, gear 360, fast wireless charging, Samsung pay works with magnetic strip readers where Apple Pay doesn't. The biggest rumor the iPhone 8 has is hopefully an OLED display? Thats old news. The point is, between both companies, Samsung is at least putting its ideas out there. Apple? Not so much and is looking rather boring.
 
the iPhone 8 has is hopefully an OLED display? Thats old news. The point is, between both companies, Samsung is at least putting its ideas out there. Apple? Not so much and is looking rather boring.

Please, you're comparing Samsung Pay to Apple Pay and your complaining? I keep seeing your posts where Apple doesn't do this or Apple doesn't do that. You keep short sighting Apple over Samsung "Idea's." For the record, not every idea transistions into an actual product. Just like rumors are considered "Idea's" on a rumored website.

There have been plenty of other rumors over an OLED iPhone, which can't be "Old" news if it even hasn't happened yet. You're on a Apple rumored website where their have been recent rumors about an OLED iPad, new Apple Series 3 Apple Watch coming, iPhone 8, the Airpods are a huge success when released three months ago. So your argument is moot.
 
Please, you're comparing Samsung Pay to Apple Pay and your complaining? I keep seeing your posts where Apple doesn't do this or Apple doesn't do that. You keep short sighting Apple over Samsung "Idea's." For the record, not every idea transistions into an actual product. Just like rumors are considered "Idea's" on a rumored website.

There have been plenty of other rumors over an OLED iPhone, which can't be "Old" news if it even hasn't happened yet. You're on a Apple rumored website where their have been recent rumors about an OLED iPad, new Apple Series 3 Apple Watch coming, iPhone 8, the Airpods are a huge success when released three months ago. So your argument is moot.
Yes, I have used both Apple pay and Samsung pay and its really sad in comparison. Obviously you haven't otherwise you would know first hand. The OLED screen rumor is old because Samsung has had them for years! I was hoping you would give me your list of Apples recent innovative ideas, except you said "airpods". WOW! Thats pretty sad!
 
T: J. how about an ad-interim iPad refresh?
J: Snore, snore. Euuh.. Dunno. We already had that upgrade 3 years ago. I am overworked...
T: OK, but we got to do something to please our customers
J: But I'm designing my new SpaceShip office, my Command Centre.
T: Yeah, yeah. But we need to bring out new product also.
J: Why ? We abandoned the Mac too. Time to declare the post-iPad era. Sales are in decline anyway.
T: Indeed, there is over a billion old iPad cases left in some Chinese dump factories.
J: Then use it and put some last-year tech in it. That will advance it 8 years in history.
T: Ohh, I am getting excited. Our history is soo great. It is just a sheer example of how designated technology gets in line with a proven, yet unmatched form factor. This is technology only Apple could bring.
J: Too bad it has to. Because by now, after decades, most iPad 1 screens have dimmed to mellow yellow, just like ourselves. Laminating is too costly for these refurbs and would dim them even further anyway. So yell out screen brightness has improved 44% or something. Nobody will care to oppose anyway. And oh, we forgot to forget the headphone jack. Lucky customers !
Pfff. What nuisance. Time to go for lunch...
 
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Those are really thick.
Not as thick as the salespeople who think an Android tablet is a good investment. I'll accept physical thickness, no problem.
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If all Samsung had was a refurb phone/tablet then yes. But unlike Apple, Samsung raises the bar with real innovation. The iPhone 8 rumors have been the most unbelievable ever. We will just have to wait and see what they do. Im hoping for something great, but given their recent efforts I'm not holding my breath.


I think someone may have hacked your account - they're posting nonsensically on your behalf. Report to mods asap.
 
T: J. how about an ad-interim iPad refresh?
J: Snore, snore. Euuh.. Dunno. We already had that upgrade 3 years ago. I am overworked...
T: OK, but we got to do something to please our customers
J: But I'm designing my new SpaceShip office, my Command Centre.
T: Yeah, yeah. But we need to bring out new product also.
J: Why ? We abandoned the Mac too. Time to declare the post-iPad era. Sales are in decline anyway.
T: Indeed, there is over a billion old iPad cases left in some Chinese dump factories.
J: Then use it and put some last-year tech in it. That will advance it 8 years in history.
T: Ohh, I am getting excited. Our history is soo great. It is just a sheer example of how designated technology gets in line with a proven, yet unmatched form factor. This is technology only Apple could bring.
J: Too bad it has to. Because by now, after decades, most iPad 1 screens have dimmed to mellow yellow, just like ourselves. Laminating is too costly for these refurbs and would dim them even further anyway. So yell out screen brightness has improved 44% or something. Nobody will care to oppose anyway. And oh, we forgot to forget the headphone jack. Lucky customers !
Pfff. What nuisance. Time to go for lunch...

Funny thing is that part regarding that iPad most likely actually happened. It's old iPad Air cases with an A9 thrown in. No doubt if Foxconn had leftover Air 2 cases Apple would have used them
 
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