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Wireless power? Ok, 90%+ of people using it will develop some sort of cancer. I would not like to have a tumor in my chest thanks!
Edit: or on my left nut
Edit: or on my left nut
uv23 said:
i'm not flaming, just honestly asking a question...
As a book publisher, wouldn't widescreen be more conducive to seeing the layout of side by side pages of text? That was the biggest advantage to me when I got my powerbook, I could finally lay two Word documents side by side on the screen and actually be able to read them.
Widescreen
Widescreen is the only way to go. I'm a graphic designer, and its just so hard to work with spreads, and palettes, etc with a 4:3 Screen.
I'm a little disappointed of how..normal these screens look. The one foot in the middle, the thick bezel, its not exactly ground breaking.
As for the extra cables/power etc... not a big deal to me, when I setup a screen, I don't tend to move it... for a long time. Its not like a 20-30" screen is portable in anyway, nor should it be. Yea to the death of ADC.
Widescreen is the only way to go. I'm a graphic designer, and its just so hard to work with spreads, and palettes, etc with a 4:3 Screen.
I'm a little disappointed of how..normal these screens look. The one foot in the middle, the thick bezel, its not exactly ground breaking.
As for the extra cables/power etc... not a big deal to me, when I setup a screen, I don't tend to move it... for a long time. Its not like a 20-30" screen is portable in anyway, nor should it be. Yea to the death of ADC.
I am glad they are going back to DVI sure its one more cable but it isnt that much of a inconvience. Hmm 1 cable carrys 2 firewire and 2 usb ports+1 cable for DVI + Power cord?
I know we had a mess when apple upgraded from Vga ->DVI-> ADC.
We had our old blue 15''s LCD Originals from Apple that were Vga and we still have a couple of those left even now. I think 1 only works for 30 minutes before it warms up and goes caput but it gets used very occasionally. Dont even get me started on the fact that the service cost used be 20% more than the cost of simply buying a new one! We also had the new pinstripe ADC models. But we also had 1 Sawtooth? DVI output computer with matching 17'' inch DVI apple monitor. When we replaced the computer we had to throw in the monitor just to sell the computer. Considering in those days the cost for a 17'' was like 60% of the cost of a new computer. Ouch!
I know we had a mess when apple upgraded from Vga ->DVI-> ADC.
We had our old blue 15''s LCD Originals from Apple that were Vga and we still have a couple of those left even now. I think 1 only works for 30 minutes before it warms up and goes caput but it gets used very occasionally. Dont even get me started on the fact that the service cost used be 20% more than the cost of simply buying a new one! We also had the new pinstripe ADC models. But we also had 1 Sawtooth? DVI output computer with matching 17'' inch DVI apple monitor. When we replaced the computer we had to throw in the monitor just to sell the computer. Considering in those days the cost for a 17'' was like 60% of the cost of a new computer. Ouch!
don't forget people...
this is an artists conceptual rendering from the information they received... this is not an apple photo or drawing. the real thing will probably look quite different.
this is an artists conceptual rendering from the information they received... this is not an apple photo or drawing. the real thing will probably look quite different.
Duff-Man says...widescreen is great - what they really need to do with them though is make them pivot. Then everyone is happy. we've had some newer HP pivot lcd's come in at work - if they can do it surely Apple can....oh yeah!
I haven't read through the whole thread so someone may have pointed this out already but switching to DVI would be stupid if they are adding firewire as well. That would take the monitor go from one cable to 4 cables (video, power, usb and firewire) I don't see this happening. We already have the ADC-DVI adapter so native DVI isnt that big of a deal.
I hate this rumor crap. It gets everything and everyone in an uproar. The only thing is, without it there would be nothing to talk about. 
Firewire
It doesn't make much sense to use wireless firewire to go 3 feet, plus I'm guess that standard is maybe 400mbps speed, not the 800, which apple has adopted so much.
I'm thinking wireless firewire will crop up with the Wireless Express Video edition, hopefully in the next year. That standard may have enough throughput to push a compress video signal of a pretty good Mpeg2 kinda quality, wouldn't that be awesome?
It doesn't make much sense to use wireless firewire to go 3 feet, plus I'm guess that standard is maybe 400mbps speed, not the 800, which apple has adopted so much.
I'm thinking wireless firewire will crop up with the Wireless Express Video edition, hopefully in the next year. That standard may have enough throughput to push a compress video signal of a pretty good Mpeg2 kinda quality, wouldn't that be awesome?
cr2sh said:
Um, I was just joking around buddy - see the
at the end of my post? I appreciate the somewhat "serious" reply to my clowning around though... 
*yawns* Does anyone else think that the artist rendering looks a little to generic? I mean the metallic look for displays are somewhat a dime a dozen:
I like the current design of the current crop of LCD's. They are unique if a tad be dated.
I really like the plastic clear look of the Cinema Displays
I like the current design of the current crop of LCD's. They are unique if a tad be dated.
As others have already said, the illustration clearly shows only ONE thick cable coming out the back of the new screens. There does not need to be 4 cables for DVI/USB/FireWire/Power. There just needs to be 4 connectors.
Imagine one big cable coming out the back of the screen, 3-6 feet long, which ends in what looks like a 4 headed snake, with each snake head being a tiny 2-3 inches long. Look at the back of your PowerMac. See how close the FireWire/USB/Video ports are? All within a tiny little 2x3" area.
So this new cable has 4 connectors on the end that slip into FireWire, USB, and video, and then the power cable somehow attaches to the power brick. YES...you lose one USB/FireWire port on the back of the PowerMac. But you get TWO on the monitor.
The overall space taken up will be that of ONE cable, not 4, and the brick will sit right near your PowerMac...on the floor or desk depending on where you keep your tower.
It's nothing to worry or complain about...and it makes these monitors PC compatible. Think of how well Apple is doing selling the iPod to the OTHER 95% of the computer market? Selling the monitors to them too will mean millions of dollars in sales, and probably a lower price longterm by supporting the industry standard DVI connector, which should mean easier access for video cards for Apple, without the companies needing to built special ADC versions. It's win-win for Apple, and in the long run all of us.
Imagine one big cable coming out the back of the screen, 3-6 feet long, which ends in what looks like a 4 headed snake, with each snake head being a tiny 2-3 inches long. Look at the back of your PowerMac. See how close the FireWire/USB/Video ports are? All within a tiny little 2x3" area.
So this new cable has 4 connectors on the end that slip into FireWire, USB, and video, and then the power cable somehow attaches to the power brick. YES...you lose one USB/FireWire port on the back of the PowerMac. But you get TWO on the monitor.
The overall space taken up will be that of ONE cable, not 4, and the brick will sit right near your PowerMac...on the floor or desk depending on where you keep your tower.
It's nothing to worry or complain about...and it makes these monitors PC compatible. Think of how well Apple is doing selling the iPod to the OTHER 95% of the computer market? Selling the monitors to them too will mean millions of dollars in sales, and probably a lower price longterm by supporting the industry standard DVI connector, which should mean easier access for video cards for Apple, without the companies needing to built special ADC versions. It's win-win for Apple, and in the long run all of us.
Off topic but where are the the hp ipods
the screens look sweet i hope they are avaialbe soon as oppose to 2 months from now. too bad no adc.
the screens look sweet i hope they are avaialbe soon as oppose to 2 months from now. too bad no adc.
Inconsistent
Has anyone noticed that this rumor is inconsistent with the one about the G5s coming out?
NONE of the models listed in the G5 rumor, in their standard configuration, will drive the 30" display. Would Apple ship a monitor that requires the user to buy an expensive video card (besides the computer) to drive the monitor? Maybe, but it would not be wise. The basic top of the line G5 should at least run the 30" display (assuming for the moment it's real). The basic top of the line G5 might not run it fast in it's stock mode, but it should run it.
In fact at 2560x1600 absolutely none of the commodity cards by either ATI or NVIDIA will drive a monitor at that resolution. Not even ATI's new X800 card.
It takes the workstation cards by these two companies to drive this resolution and only specific ones at that (e.g., for ATI only the FIREGL V7100 will do go as high as this resolution topping out at 3840x2400).
I'd love a 30" at 2560x1200. I'd take be one of the first in line if it is less than $2,500 IF (very huge IF) the PowerMac I bought with it had a card in it that drove it at maximum resolution at a decent rate.
If it turns out that I have to pay $3,000 for a PMG5 + $2,500 for a monitor + $$$$ for a high end video card + $$$ for RAM + $$$ for second hard drive (totalling over $8,000 or more with RAM added, etc., etc.) then I'd think about it long and hard -- then probably pass on the 30" monitor and the card to drive it.
However, I think this inconsistency means either the earlier rumor about the G5s is wrong or this one is. Both?
We'll see within the next month.
Has anyone noticed that this rumor is inconsistent with the one about the G5s coming out?
NONE of the models listed in the G5 rumor, in their standard configuration, will drive the 30" display. Would Apple ship a monitor that requires the user to buy an expensive video card (besides the computer) to drive the monitor? Maybe, but it would not be wise. The basic top of the line G5 should at least run the 30" display (assuming for the moment it's real). The basic top of the line G5 might not run it fast in it's stock mode, but it should run it.
In fact at 2560x1600 absolutely none of the commodity cards by either ATI or NVIDIA will drive a monitor at that resolution. Not even ATI's new X800 card.
It takes the workstation cards by these two companies to drive this resolution and only specific ones at that (e.g., for ATI only the FIREGL V7100 will do go as high as this resolution topping out at 3840x2400).
I'd love a 30" at 2560x1200. I'd take be one of the first in line if it is less than $2,500 IF (very huge IF) the PowerMac I bought with it had a card in it that drove it at maximum resolution at a decent rate.
If it turns out that I have to pay $3,000 for a PMG5 + $2,500 for a monitor + $$$$ for a high end video card + $$$ for RAM + $$$ for second hard drive (totalling over $8,000 or more with RAM added, etc., etc.) then I'd think about it long and hard -- then probably pass on the 30" monitor and the card to drive it.
However, I think this inconsistency means either the earlier rumor about the G5s is wrong or this one is. Both?
We'll see within the next month.
uv23 said:
You've got to be kidding. Wide is best for two page designs like magazines. Even if for some odd reason you only design portrait posters you can still move all of your palettes to the side and get more screen real estate.
technocoy said:
I'm a designer too. Quick poll of my coworkers shows not just a preference for widescreen but a LUST for it.
Most designers I know have dual head, which is is really wide screen.
agentmouthwash said:
Oh, and you forgot that anyone with an existing ADC monitor has to buy a ADC to DVI adapter if they want to upgrade their video cards because the new video cards don't have the then obsoleted ADC connector.
Sounds great to me
Ensoniq said:
Definitely an interesting theory - I could see something along those lines. Now I'm very curious to see what the new displays will be like!
Ensoniq said:
I completely agree. I praised Apple for making the iPod PC-compatible when they announced that, and now with Airport Express being PC-compatible, I was elated. And now, with DVI monitors looming and the removal of ADC, I see this as just another one of those excellent moves on Apple's part to break more into the PC user's market. I truly believe this is a crucial strategy that Apple needs to keep in mind and exploit in future product releases and updates.
