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New Apple TV model

kiranmk2 said:
Dolby Vision 2 announced. Although it's more than likely that any new 2025 Apple TV won't support this and we'll have to wait for the next one

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Dolby Vision 2 goes beyond HDR with more AI and ‘authentic motion’ smoothing

But is it worth upgrading your TV for?
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I'm very interested in the "solution to HDR content that's too dark". I love how black my OLED TV screen can get, but I hate how I can't tell what's going on in some scenes because some detail is dark that shouldn't be. Not sure if that's an HDR problem or if my TV just needs calibration, but I hope it's the former because I'll never get around to getting my TV calibrated.
 
subjonas said:
I'm very interested in the "solution to HDR content that's too dark". I love how black my OLED TV screen can get, but I hate how I can't tell what's going on in some scenes because some detail is dark that shouldn't be. Not sure if that's an HDR problem or if my TV just needs calibration, but I hope it's the former because I'll never get around to getting my TV calibrated.
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If the video is from a streaming service, it could be due to the video's low bitrate, black crush due to the TV's color settings, black crush due to mastering process, or a combination of the three.
 
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subjonas said:
I'm very interested in the "solution to HDR content that's too dark". I love how black my OLED TV screen can get, but I hate how I can't tell what's going on in some scenes because some detail is dark that shouldn't be. Not sure if that's an HDR problem or if my TV just needs calibration, but I hope it's the former because I'll never get around to getting my TV calibrated.
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Some content has been designed to very dark. I believe Vincent from HDTV Test found that the infamous House of the Dragon scene was actually mastered to be 1 nit on average (link). It sounds like this is a fad in Hollywood (similar to Christopher Nolan's unintelligable dialogue that spread to many other films/shows), that CE manufacturers jump on to sell you new kit to "solve" the issue (soundbars with vocal "optimisers", Dolby Vision 2)

It's hard to know what to make of DV2 until we see demos from CES in January. There was already an update 4-5 years ago (Dolby Vision IQ) that was suppose to take ambient light into account, so who knows how this feature will work in DV2 (it sounds like they've just shoved "AI" in there to do basically the same job). The motion smoothing thing is interesting as the content could contain flags/metadata to tell the display to engage mootion smoothing for certain shots that introduce 24p judder (typically slow panning shots) and then disengage it for the next scene to avoid the soap opera effect. If this is the case, then DV2 should be able to be supported on existing Apple TV 4k units via a TvOS update (as it is the display that will likely need the hardware update), but I'm sure apple won't miss the chance to limit DV2 to the latest Apple TV model...
 
kiranmk2 said:
Dolby Vision 2 announced. Although it's more than likely that any new 2025 Apple TV won't support this and we'll have to wait for the next one

www.theverge.com

Dolby Vision 2 goes beyond HDR with more AI and ‘authentic motion’ smoothing

But is it worth upgrading your TV for?
www.theverge.com www.theverge.com
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When it comes to TV standards, I think Apple is usually pretty late to the game. They won't introduce support for a new feature until it's fairly widespread in TVs sold. For example, it took Apple forever to enable HDMI 2.1, or QMS.
 
More than happy with the current model. I use the Apple TV because it is the one streaming device that does not support ACR (automatic content recognition) that all other streaming units and TVs support in order to allow them to track what you watch and blast you with advertising. This is on top of the very high quality streaming output it provides (often much better than built in Apps in the TVs and other advertising laden streaming devices).
 
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Still no news, just rumours.

I’m still praying for a multi device solution

All HDMI 2.1 at least - with 4K/120 which would require at least the A18.

HDMI Stick - SE - A18 - (64 or 128gb) WIFI ONLY £89
Basic 4K Box - A18 Pro or A19 - (256gb) WIFI ONLY £149
4K (or 8K) Pro Box - A19 Pro/M Series - (1tb) - WIFI & Ethernet £199

I’m now leaning toward a Soundbar with either Apple Tv built-in or a cut-out for the box or a HDMI stick
This soundbar will have a camera on the front ?

They will have to have a camera somewhere for the 'FaceTime' and 'Sing' enhancements
magsafe tv mount with USB C>A charging - not likely

In Apple we trust!!!
 
DJHB1980 said:
4K (or 8K) Pro Box - A19 Pro/M Series - (1tb) - WIFI & Ethernet £199

In Apple we trust!!!
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There is already a small form factor Apple device with a base M chip, 1 TB Wifi and ethernet. It's called the Mac Mini and it costs £999 (£599 with 256 GB). In what world would Apple charge £199 for such a device that ran TvOS rather thna MacOS?
 
It’s a Different product, a different use case with different OS, I understand the rationale but same/similar chips can be used differently in different environments.

Chips are used differently on different devices.

The A19 Pro is expected to go in a future budget MacBook

For the under the TV product to run intensive applications software and graphical interface it may need something more powerful for possible 8K or AAA games

It was just a maybe on a yet to be seen product,
 
I fear we will get it and after the build up it will be quite underwhelming as it could include a now 2 year old ageing chip and none or very few of the rumoured new features and updates/upgrades it obviously needs.
Not having an event means its easier for them to put something quite basic out and not, forgive the pun, game changing
I will be happy to be 100% wrong and pleasantly surprised by what they release.
 
DJHB1980 said:
I fear we will get it and after the build up it will be quite underwhelming as it could include a now 2 year old ageing chip and none or very few of the rumoured new features and updates/upgrades it obviously needs.
Not having an event means its easier for them to put something quite basic out and not, forgive the pun, game changing
I will be happy to be 100% wrong and pleasantly surprised by what they release.
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You could very well be right about that.

I was only expecting a faster chip and wireless connection.

There was talk about an embedded camera for FaceTime, but I'm hoping that won't happen, as it could drive up costs.
 
which is why a multi-device option gives everyone what they want/need
SE stick sub 100 price point & 2 standard/Pro boxes for heavier & Pro level use cases

also just give us new recognisable and distinguishable names for the app and box to differentiate from the streaming service
 
The current AppleTV uses an A15, which is no longer used in any other Apple device that Apple still sells new. Before, the A15 was used in quite a lot of devices but no more as of 2024/2025. This alone is a reason I think Apple has to at least spec-bump the AppleTV soon.
 
I know it won't happen, but man, if they offered an optional upgraded Apple TV that had a projector built in, then we would have a true all-in-one TV solution with no television crying to connect to the internet to serve up tons of ads. I would easily pay 800 for that if it projected 4k HDR. Forget the face time camera. We all have iphones/ipads/macs to do that.
 
NJRonbo said:
There was talk about an embedded camera for FaceTime, but I'm hoping that won't happen, as it could drive up costs.
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MR knows this isn't happening but they keep pushing it for clicks. The rumor likely came from confusion with the upcoming homepod with a screen which was probably running some variant of tvOS in early testing.
 
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