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That's cute... you didn't say how that post proved everything you said in your original and flawed post incorrect.
So you plagarize another person's work, don't bother to give credit or references, and do you even question the validity of what you copied?
Quickly.... the HP monitor is priced at $1999 so far which is the same price as the Apple one...check the web.
I'll agree that HP's marketing is crap. But I can buy the HP 30" from several sources for $1489. It offers a lot more in the way of features, plus a newer version of the Samsung 30" panel and light system thatn the Apple. You keep drumming on about NEC and LaCie... Show me the products, because whatever universe you're living in must be different than the real world. NEC and LaCie don't even make products that compete or compare with the dsiplays from Apple, Samsung, etc.. They don't have a 24" or a 30" widescreen model. All of the LaCie monitors have terribly slow response times and are using older Hitachi and LG panels that have been mostly discontinued. LaCie only offers 19" and 21.3" 4:3 monitors with a maximum resolution of 1600x1200. What good is that? As I said before, I wouldn't want to do print work on it all day long with such little workspace when there are several other alternatives out there. It's impossible for use with HD video and with 20ms response, motion graphics work isn't going to be that pleasant of an experience either. Oh, and they're not HDCP compliant... That sucks for those of us who are forward thinking about standards and/or are currently authoring HD-DVD / BluRay titles. Yes, some of us are doing that already - shocking, I know. LaCie is just an integrator and they don't make or produce their own products. I can buy the same colorimeters and software they're peddling from several sources, why should I buy from them?
The specs aren't that far off from the Apple OR the Dell display's and HP's marketing is crap... they say that it has the widest viewing angle on the market.... Apple's and Dell's 30 inchers have had 178 degrees since the start and Apple came out with it first months before Dell and NEC was first in the market to have 178 degrees of viewing.
Yes, NEC was first to market with 178 degrees of viewing. That was nearly 10 years ago. Who gives a flying fart... NEC doesn't manufacture their own LCD panels anymore, they sold of their fab facility. They did that to concentrate on PDP development, but have since offloaded that in their Plasma production merger with Pioneer. Seriously, the only LCD monitor product NEC has that is even worth a crap is their 21" model with the color shift sensors. But once again, it suffers from being a 21" 4:3 monitor at 1600x1200. And why buy that when the 30" panels from (insert your favorite manufacturer here) are almost always a better buy, even the Apple one.
Since you like to attack people and their intelligence (like you did in your original post to me) I will remind you that my post was not trashing Dell's and praising any other monitor. It simple stated that there were two different markets. There is nothing wrong with Dell monitors, they just aren't meant for Pro market... If you are a pro who uses Dell monitors don't let that get your panties in a bunch, whatever it takes to make money is your concern, not what some broke @$$ college student thinks. I have the 20 inch ACD and when I move out of my mothers house😱 I might put some Dells next to my PowerMac G5 so I can pay the bills.
Well, I wasn't attacking you and didn't mean to come across that way. Other than that, everything in that paragraph is pretty much something to agree on. I still don't agree with your assessment of ACDs -- I own several and I don't see the enchantment. Over the past 16 months, all my new monitor acquisitions have been 30" panels and since the only 30" 2560x1600 panel system on the market comes from Samsung, it's pretty easy to compare the different options. HP and Dell have the exclusive deal for the 3rd generation 30" panel and light system which doesn't expire until June 30th. Samsung will begin shipping 3rd gen panels to other OEMs and will be selling it under their own label sometime in July or thereabouts. Samsung and Sony labels of 30" (since Sony and Samsung share the same LCD fab plant) will be also shipping later this year with an LED backlight system.
Dell monitors are perfect for those that don't want to pay for, need, or care about the specs on more expensive monitors. ACDs and other expensive LCDs are for those that can afford the improved specs, QC, and build quality.
Well, having owned dozens of Apple systems and displays over the years along with countless PCs, most of which were built myself or in-house by employees, I can say that Apple QC isn't perfect. FWIW, I've had far more QC issues with ACDs than most other display type out there -- take the pink tint on the 23" displays for example. Apple acknowledges the problem, yet they have gone from swapping out displays to simply telling people it's a normal characteristic - deal with it. Not good. If you get a chance, go take a serious look at a properly configured Dell 30". If you can cope with the PC look and the fugly Dell logo on the front, then I think you'll agree it's a fine display. It's far more configurable or adjustable than any of the ACDs as its USB interface gives the user access to tons of controls - even the "service menu".
I really don't mean to praise Dell monitors. But they are some of the best ones out there right now - especially the 30" model. If Apple can show me one that is truly better, I'll buy it, even at their higher price. Just like I bought previous ACDs... The market is dynamic and Apple doesn't change as fast, they would rather play leap-frog. I know that when Apple finally does ship new ACD models, they will be the finest displays money can buy... 6 months later, they will be the same as all the other top monitors on the market, but with that 20% "Apple tax".
Seriously though, lay off the Apple kool-aid a bit. If the ACDs were so superior, everyone would be buying them. In reality, they're not much more expensive than a Dell or Samsung, especially to an end user who typically buys just one. But when I look at their 30" every day sitting right next to a Dell 30" and the Dell is indistinguishable out of the box and superior after I've had my way with its settings, I start to question the logic of buying another Apple 30". Time comes to buy two new Mac Pro systems and equip both with dual 30" - I'll go Dell (unless Apple can show me the superior product). At $600 cheaper per display or a savings of $2400 on those two workstations, I just added another 2GB RAM to each.
Stop acting like I get paid to say Apple rocks and Dell sucks...
But don't worry.... keep up the crap... I am a college student on winter break my girlfriend went home😀 and without her I have no life😛 so I will be up all night pulling together my "research" that I didn't do... I will post my results (whether wrong or right) in about 12 hours... 😱 😀
You have issues...
Go do your research... Maybe you'll find out why people are buying the Dell 24 and 30 " displays. Price isn't the only factor, nor is it the deciding factor in many situations. Post your findings if you want, I may or may not respond... I actually have to go get some work done. I'm no longer a broke-ass college student (I kinda wish I was). If I actually had all the free time in the world, I'd go out and hunt down all the research and references I needed to prove every point and then some. Because if that's all we're going to do is post an argument based on what other people have already posted elsewhere, then that's just stuipid... Starts to resemble a religious war. I'm simply stating my opinions based on my own experiences... As far as Apple displays go, their products are dated and overpriced. You can feel free to disagree all you want, but try owning a few different products and then see how you feel. FWIW, if I were trying to impress clients all the time, I would buy the ACD 30" without hesitation... The clients that do walk through here go nuts over them and how cool they look - especially when you have two of them paired with a quad G5. I would be lying if I said I didn't win some favortism or even a contract or two because clients thought I had some really professional looking and cool computers. So there is that factor to consider as well... And thus is a big reason why I see a lot of independent designers paying the extra for an ACD - even when they're on a tight budget. I have two independents that I sub out work to and they only buy ACDs for this reason alone.
