It's faster. It depends on what your goal is. It'd be nice to have the ability.
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New Final Cut Pro Described as 'Dramatic and Ambitious' - Due in Spring 2011
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It's faster. It depends on what your goal is. It'd be nice to have the ability.
If it isn't 64bit and multicore/multithreaded even, I think there will be a mass exodus from Final Cut. It's ridiculous at this point.
I always get a good laugh when reading responses to these FCP update stories. So many of you just seem to dwell on the negative. Others don't consider the flexibility Apple has when building new software.
Here are my predictions for the new Final Cut Studio;
Think of the possibility; An updated efficient UI with new clean & efficient code that zooms along and can handle any media type with ease. Not to mention, even better integration of the apps.
Here are my predictions for the new Final Cut Studio;
It will be released this year.
There will be obvious influences from iOS (iPhone & iPad), iMovie and other Apple & 3rd party apps. The productivity gains to you will be enormous.
The whole suite will be fully 64-bit capable. Perhaps 64-bit only.
It will take very good advantage of multi-core machines, and networked machines. Perhaps multi-GPU cards too, at least under Lion.
Where Quicktime was used before, AVFoundation from iOS will be the new media base. There may be a hook for QuickTime compatibility.
I'm leaning 50% that Snow Leopard will be supported. Given the expected release date of Lion, I could see Apple delaying FSC until then.
Although you'll be able to edit AVCHD type codecs natively, Apple will recommend you use Prores for premium performance and results.
Some pros will immediately upgrade in the middle of a project and then complain they are having problems with this new software.
Many of you will whine about the UI changes rather than adjusting or moving on.
There will be obvious influences from iOS (iPhone & iPad), iMovie and other Apple & 3rd party apps. The productivity gains to you will be enormous.
The whole suite will be fully 64-bit capable. Perhaps 64-bit only.
It will take very good advantage of multi-core machines, and networked machines. Perhaps multi-GPU cards too, at least under Lion.
Where Quicktime was used before, AVFoundation from iOS will be the new media base. There may be a hook for QuickTime compatibility.
I'm leaning 50% that Snow Leopard will be supported. Given the expected release date of Lion, I could see Apple delaying FSC until then.
Although you'll be able to edit AVCHD type codecs natively, Apple will recommend you use Prores for premium performance and results.
Some pros will immediately upgrade in the middle of a project and then complain they are having problems with this new software.
Many of you will whine about the UI changes rather than adjusting or moving on.
Think of the possibility; An updated efficient UI with new clean & efficient code that zooms along and can handle any media type with ease. Not to mention, even better integration of the apps.
they are supporting 64 bit arch, however, I think it's a little too late. A lot of studios are shifting over to Avid and Premiere already. Apple screwed the pooch on this years ago when they focused all their efforts on iStuff, which paid off more than any seats of FCS would sell.
Don't expect any "new clean & efficient code" though. It's legacy code with some UI enhancements and more ties into web content. After all, they need to make it iStuff friendly. Gratz to Adobe for already winning the integration thing. As for AVCHD editing.. problems with the new software and UI change issues, that's a no-brainer. It happens with any new release of any software. You're stating glaringly obvious, while I guess, berating any "pros" up front if they have any issues. I remember SL killing our SAN and giving us issues with FCS. It happens. You just have to deal with it, and do R&D before upgrading a whole studio.
Don't expect any "new clean & efficient code" though. It's legacy code with some UI enhancements and more ties into web content. After all, they need to make it iStuff friendly. Gratz to Adobe for already winning the integration thing. As for AVCHD editing.. problems with the new software and UI change issues, that's a no-brainer. It happens with any new release of any software. You're stating glaringly obvious, while I guess, berating any "pros" up front if they have any issues. I remember SL killing our SAN and giving us issues with FCS. It happens. You just have to deal with it, and do R&D before upgrading a whole studio.
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Hopefully it's properly multithreaded and Export To Compressor actually works correctly.
"Congrats on your 8-core workstation. Unfortunately, our software sucks, so you can only use one or two cores for 99.9999999999999999999999999% of the things you do".
"Congrats on your 8-core workstation. Unfortunately, our software sucks, so you can only use one or two cores for 99.9999999999999999999999999% of the things you do".
Now how in the world am i supposed to properly edit using this new FCP if Apple is only giving us dual core processors in the MBP's? Just give me a damn quad core processor apple! Pleeeeeaaaaasssssssseeeee!!!!!!!!!
and who gives a rat's ass about 64 bit at this point? The performance gains for using the goddamned processors correctly are far, far more important for most people's usage. Sure, being able to use more RAM is nice, but it's easier to work around RAM ceilings than ****** multithreading.
And, how much more "ambitious" could a video editor be? Video editing is at a point of tried-n-true function. Messing with a Pro platform might be a dangerous gamble.
Hahaha you're hilarious. Do you really think your G5 PowerMac can out perform my Core 2 Duo MBP, let alone a Core i7 MBP?
I too am scared though. A complete redesign isn't always a good thing, even if it is "better"... Just as the people who use the Office ribbon daily.
Never said it could. But I can guarantee you a Mac Pro can outperform both of those laptops.
What are you smoking??? Apple's revenue just topped $26.7B for a quarter. At 4.3M Mac shipments portables outsell desktops 2:1 so you have 1.4M desktops of which about 5% are MacPros so you have 70K Pros/qtr. Your attachment rate of new proapp seats to unit sales is probably in the 25% to 50% range. Go crazy and say it is 50%. So you have 35k/qtr x 4 = 140k x 1k = $140M/yr on ProApp revenue. Sounds like a lot right? Hate to burst your bubble but 140M a year comes to 0.13% YES, that is 13/100 of 1 percent of Apple's annual revenue. This is round off error on their annual report. Even the MacPro revenue is pretty dismal compared to the total annual revenue of the company (280K/yr @ 5K average which is generous). You get around 1.4B/yr in MacPro revenue. Any other company would love that but again, figure Apple at around 104B/yr that is about 1.4% of total revenue. Throw the two together and you have a whopping 1.5% of total annual revenue for MacPro's and ProApps. This, from a top down look at a company one has to seriously question where resources are best placed.
Don't believe me? Why in the world do you think it has taken over 2.5 years to get an update on FCP in the first place? Why are the "new" MacPro's just the old MacPros with a Westmere socket thrown on the board? Because all of the internal resources have been put on iOS programs and iPad programs. This ain't rocket science folks. I've worked in lots of big high tech companies. Quite frankly I'm surprised Apple has held on to ProApps and MacPros for as long as they have. To me, the tea leaves are very very clear. Steve clearly understands the 80/20 rule. He makes Apple products to appeal to 80% of the market and he does not give a rats ass about the other 20%. Personally, I think he is absolutely right. Hundreds of companies have gone belly up trying to please everybody and compete across the entire spectrum of their market segment. Steve says NO, and looking at Apple's success, it is very difficult to argue with their position.
FCS8 or what ever it is, if it is anything, is going to be a transition product at best or another "band aid" which the last release was at worse. If Steve sticks to his 80/20 rule, FCP is going to go after that 80% market and to heck with the other 20%. Yea there is a lot of glam and glitz that goes with the high end market but in the end how much of that glam and glitz translates to revenue? Not much, and in the end, that is all that matters.
I'm a big fan of Apple and a FCP user, but for pro editing I'm already looking at alternatives. In the end, if your livelihood depends on professional equipment (hardware and software) I would think you foolish to have such a strong attachment to one company and one product. At the end of the day I need what gets my work done, fast, efficient, cost effective and to my customers liking. If an Apple product can do that, great. If not, I don't care. I will use what works.
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What I want from Final Cut Pro:
(1) 64-Bit Cocoa and fully multi-core/thread aware
(2) Updated Interface
(3) Better Integration
(4) Fixes to Performance, especially regarding the Open Timeline
(5) Color needs a new UI as well
(6) Compressor needs an overhaul too. It would be nice to not have to create a quick cluster for multi-core use.
(7) Native AVCHD Support
As for a new iWork and iWeb, I want though as well, but they do not have anything to do with Final Cut Pro (I actually want an iWeb Pro).
(1) 64-Bit Cocoa and fully multi-core/thread aware
(2) Updated Interface
(3) Better Integration
(4) Fixes to Performance, especially regarding the Open Timeline
(5) Color needs a new UI as well
(6) Compressor needs an overhaul too. It would be nice to not have to create a quick cluster for multi-core use.
(7) Native AVCHD Support
As for a new iWork and iWeb, I want though as well, but they do not have anything to do with Final Cut Pro (I actually want an iWeb Pro).
I still see myself using FCS3 for the rest of 2011 and probably into 2012 anyway. It's not that we don't have the flow to upgrade, it's just why break something right after the slow season when it works perfect. Will probably plan for a Christmas/New Years upgrade. Interested in seeing the upgrade, but not flipping out like most pros, as most pros won't be running out to upgrade immediately.
New is good.....but please Apple, don't be dumb. I can picture it now:
"Editing. Ten times better. Final Cut iOS."
"Editing. Ten times better. Final Cut iOS."
Wow, your ignorance is cring-inducing. That "idiot" happens to be one of the original designers of Final Cut.
Feel stupid yet?
I know...the only thing I want to hear about the iPad is that it could be a controller for FCP.
A single unified interface like Apple's Logic Pro will be perfect.
64-bit and multi-core, integrate discrete clip editing of color and motion into 'tabs' (somewhat like Piano roll and mixer are in Logic) and you will have perfection.
As for not jumping in with the first version - CS5 Premier Pro was like a rock from release.
Don't see any reason why this should be any worse - nothing else Apple ever release is a bomb on delivery.
64-bit and multi-core, integrate discrete clip editing of color and motion into 'tabs' (somewhat like Piano roll and mixer are in Logic) and you will have perfection.
As for not jumping in with the first version - CS5 Premier Pro was like a rock from release.
Don't see any reason why this should be any worse - nothing else Apple ever release is a bomb on delivery.
+1
And I hope they do away with the GREY bin backgrounds...Looks SOOO "Avid running on a PC"
I used Avid MC at work on PCs (Vista), and FCP at home for Freelance work....
I despise the GREY backgrounds both use...(Yes, I know I can change bin backgrounds on AVID--and I do)
I'm just hoping FCP DOES do something "AMBITIOUS"
You slight Premiere too much. And this is coming from a Final Cut editor. Whether you want to admit it or not, it has drastically improved while Final Cut has largely remained dormant. And it has entered the playing field that Avid and Apple already occupy. Hell, the BBC switched over to Premiere a couple of years ago. There are other big time studios doing the same.
A lot of your praise for Final Cut is because of how it plays with its sister programs, but that has been implemented by Adobe as well and probably better (at least in my experience).
Your Pixar history is a little misguided too. I'd also be willing to bet that they cur their stuff on Avid.