ah yes, you are right. If you go to quicktime VR you can also see that they still have the keyboard clips to pull it up.
EDIT: oops wrong quote
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New G4 iBooks
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On the subnotebook topic, sure, Apple could sell a 10.6", 2 inch widescreen 1.5 pound notebook. Maybe they should. But I'd hate to type on it. My 15" is great in terms of weight and size, and I can see the use of a 12", but smaller?
Wearable computers are where it's at
Wearable computers are where it's at
keyboards
I was wondering the same thing new keyboards. From what it looks like, they will be the same but it looks like the keys are grayish...
I hope that the two-tone color is silver/white (like the older 2001 iBooks, which is what I am using now) instead of gray/white (like the current iBooks).
I was wondering the same thing new keyboards. From what it looks like, they will be the same but it looks like the keys are grayish...
I hope that the two-tone color is silver/white (like the older 2001 iBooks, which is what I am using now) instead of gray/white (like the current iBooks).
14" has more reason to live
Its good to see that the 14" now has more to distinguish it from the 12" than just an extra hours battery life and bigger pixels.
I always thought it was a total waste of time before since the primary function of a laptop is portability, although the over 40's probably prefered the bigger pixels.
But Apple have seen the light and spec'ed it up in other ways, so now its a viable option.
Course, it would be even better if it had higher resolution, but maybe I'll think different soon when I need those bifocals.
Its good to see that the 14" now has more to distinguish it from the 12" than just an extra hours battery life and bigger pixels.
I always thought it was a total waste of time before since the primary function of a laptop is portability, although the over 40's probably prefered the bigger pixels.
But Apple have seen the light and spec'ed it up in other ways, so now its a viable option.
Course, it would be even better if it had higher resolution, but maybe I'll think different soon when I need those bifocals.
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Re: 14" has more reason to live
How is watching DVD's, playing games, doing Photoshop work, surfing the Net....... better on a 12" LCD over a 14"? The point about resolution is irrelevant....... Bigger screens are better.
By your logic, people should own the smallest TV screen, I mean....hey it's all NTSC resolution..... only 570 (or whatever) lines of resolution....... so what's the point of owning a 50"+ TV over a 10"?
Anybody who is using a laptop for Live audio, VJing, etc., screen size is important. Open up a complex Reaktor Ensemble with 100+ controls/buttons on screen, visually editing sound files in Bias Peak, looking at 24-tracks in Protools or Ableton Live with plugins....... doing this sought of stuff on a 12" is unbearable, and I'm in my 20's.
Powerbooks & Ibooks are now used by many people as desktop replacements......not just portability.
Originally posted by mvc
Its good to see that the 14" now has more to distinguish it from the 12" than just an extra hours battery life and bigger pixels.
I always thought it was a total waste of time before since the primary function of a laptop is portability, although the over 40's probably prefered the bigger pixels.
But Apple have seen the light and spec'ed it up in other ways, so now its a viable option.
Course, it would be even better if it had higher resolution, but maybe I'll think different soon when I need those bifocals.
How is watching DVD's, playing games, doing Photoshop work, surfing the Net....... better on a 12" LCD over a 14"? The point about resolution is irrelevant....... Bigger screens are better.
By your logic, people should own the smallest TV screen, I mean....hey it's all NTSC resolution..... only 570 (or whatever) lines of resolution....... so what's the point of owning a 50"+ TV over a 10"?
Anybody who is using a laptop for Live audio, VJing, etc., screen size is important. Open up a complex Reaktor Ensemble with 100+ controls/buttons on screen, visually editing sound files in Bias Peak, looking at 24-tracks in Protools or Ableton Live with plugins....... doing this sought of stuff on a 12" is unbearable, and I'm in my 20's.
Powerbooks & Ibooks are now used by many people as desktop replacements......not just portability.
Re: Re: 14" has more reason to live
ok, i will take one of each!!
i am so excited that apple inc has finally boosted the ibook, they "kicked it up a notch"
...to borrow a phrase from emeril
ok, i will take one of each!!
i am so excited that apple inc has finally boosted the ibook, they "kicked it up a notch"
...to borrow a phrase from emeril
Re: Keyboards
I got one of these guys at the Apple Store in SoHo about noon yesterday, when I heard they came out. The keyboard IS different than the last iBook. It does have the new font, but more importantly, it is stiffer and easier to type on. The keys are no longer slightly translucent, either. The keyboard flips up to put in an AirPort Extreme card, and if you remove some screws and a metal flap under the Airport card, you can add more RAM.
BTW, this thing rocks. I's quick and responsive, and the case is shinier than before, too Plus, Panther came preinstalled
--DT
I got one of these guys at the Apple Store in SoHo about noon yesterday, when I heard they came out. The keyboard IS different than the last iBook. It does have the new font, but more importantly, it is stiffer and easier to type on. The keys are no longer slightly translucent, either. The keyboard flips up to put in an AirPort Extreme card, and if you remove some screws and a metal flap under the Airport card, you can add more RAM.
BTW, this thing rocks. I's quick and responsive, and the case is shinier than before, too
Plus, Panther came preinstalled --DT
Re: Re: 14" has more reason to live
Your point is valid that larger lo rez screens are better for many activities and many users, but I disagree completely about using Photoshop or any Pro app on a lo rez screen, because eveytime I use my iBook for that purpose it drives me crazy compared to my 19" at work , not because of the pixel size, just because there are too few!
It all comes down to peoples viewing comfort levels, but as a pro user I find 1024 x 768 is quite constricting, and if I was to carry a larger laptop I personally would want more pixels, rather than just bigger ones.
In my opinion Photoshop work etc is much BETTER and more productive with more pixels to make room for all the spawned palettes etc, as long as the dot pitch is not TOO fine. Thats why I would like to see the 14" running at 1200 dpi, since you have to carry the larger screen around.
It might have actually constituted a genuine desktop replacement at around 1200dpi, and then I might have bought a 14" instead of the 12" iBook I now have.
But, hey, whatever floats your boat
Your point is valid that larger lo rez screens are better for many activities and many users, but I disagree completely about using Photoshop or any Pro app on a lo rez screen, because eveytime I use my iBook for that purpose it drives me crazy compared to my 19" at work , not because of the pixel size, just because there are too few!
It all comes down to peoples viewing comfort levels, but as a pro user I find 1024 x 768 is quite constricting, and if I was to carry a larger laptop I personally would want more pixels, rather than just bigger ones.
In my opinion Photoshop work etc is much BETTER and more productive with more pixels to make room for all the spawned palettes etc, as long as the dot pitch is not TOO fine. Thats why I would like to see the 14" running at 1200 dpi, since you have to carry the larger screen around.
It might have actually constituted a genuine desktop replacement at around 1200dpi, and then I might have bought a 14" instead of the 12" iBook I now have.
But, hey, whatever floats your boat
Re: Re: Re: 14" has more reason to live
If it matters that much to you, go ahead and get a PowerBook. You'll be happier anyway
If it matters that much to you, go ahead and get a PowerBook. You'll be happier anyway
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Indeed I would, though I would be poorer.
So I think I will wait for the G5 version and have an actual plausible desktop replacement as my next main system upgrade. I'm hoping these G4 iBooks imply a G5 powerbook can't be too many years away.
Despite your valid observation that Apple can and has had the same processors in both pro and consumer products, I would imagine they will want G5s in the Powerbooks as soon as its truly practical.
When is anyones guess.
Originally posted by Phil Of Mac
If it matters that much to you, go ahead and get a PowerBook. You'll be happier anyway
Indeed I would, though I would be poorer.
So I think I will wait for the G5 version and have an actual plausible desktop replacement as my next main system upgrade. I'm hoping these G4 iBooks imply a G5 powerbook can't be too many years away.
Despite your valid observation that Apple can and has had the same processors in both pro and consumer products, I would imagine they will want G5s in the Powerbooks as soon as its truly practical.
When is anyones guess.
I'm 41, and I'm really hoping you are wrong. I'm still waiting for the hammer to fall, and I have no idea what effect it will have on my workflow & productivity.
But I'm sure it won't be pretty.
Might have to go get that old 21" Display out of the cupboard to go with my G5 laptop.
Originally posted by jefhatfield
hey, watch it, i am less than a month away from that old, blinded age
Yep, I was watching a 45yr old reading a map at arms length the other day - he couldn't get it far enough away to focus on it - said it all changed for him about 2 months before.
Oh Joy.
How long do the 800MHz and 933MHz have?
Since the two lower end iBook are now the only Macs left that still have speed listed in MHz how long until Mac finally has everything over 1 GHz?
My guess would be < 6 months.
Unrelated, why do the new iBooks have USB 2.0 but the new eMac still have 1.1?
Since the two lower end iBook are now the only Macs left that still have speed listed in MHz how long until Mac finally has everything over 1 GHz?
My guess would be < 6 months.
Unrelated, why do the new iBooks have USB 2.0 but the new eMac still have 1.1?
Re: Re: Re: 14" has more reason to live
My colleague at work, who programs our main app and does all the graphics for it, absolutely wants to work at 800x600 in Photoshop, on a 17" crt (or lcd, but there are no lcd's with that low a resolution). The reason for him is that he can then see all the details very well.
My colleague at work, who programs our main app and does all the graphics for it, absolutely wants to work at 800x600 in Photoshop, on a 17" crt (or lcd, but there are no lcd's with that low a resolution). The reason for him is that he can then see all the details very well.
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I believe the Pentium-M is based more or less on the PIII (shoot me if I'm wrong). There are many applications optimized for the PIII.
That said, my impression so far (from comments here and there) has been that the Pentium-M is about on a par with the G4, which would mean a 933MHz G4 won't outperform a 1.4GHz Pentium-M.
I believe the Pentium-M is based more or less on the PIII (shoot me if I'm wrong). There are many applications optimized for the PIII.
That said, my impression so far (from comments here and there) has been that the Pentium-M is about on a par with the G4, which would mean a 933MHz G4 won't outperform a 1.4GHz Pentium-M.
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He's talking about size. The iBook is not the smallest notebook out there (and neither is the 12"PB). In pure performance that laptop will probably do about as well as a 1GHz G4, except indeed for the integrated VRAM. In general use, it won't matter much (as is often enough stated about the G4 when comparing it to a pc).
He's talking about size. The iBook is not the smallest notebook out there (and neither is the 12"PB). In pure performance that laptop will probably do about as well as a 1GHz G4, except indeed for the integrated VRAM. In general use, it won't matter much (as is often enough stated about the G4 when comparing it to a pc).