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I ordered one.....

I currently have an iBook G3/500 Mhz as my laptop (G4 QuickSilver 733 as tower).

My iBook only has a 10 gig HD and I thought that was plenty when I ordered it.

I just did a BTO iBook purchase yesterday morning for a 12" G4 and maxed out RAM and HD. My shipdate is on or before 10/31/03. Will let everyone know what I think when it arrives.

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BTW - what is the going sell rate for an iBook G3/500Mhz/384 RAM/10 gig HD with airport?
 
Bluetooth internal or external???

Hey!

I would like to buy the 12" iBook.
But I have to know if there is an internal or external (D-Link via USB) Bluetooth Adapter. On the mac-website they talk about optional internal bluetooth (which is what i want), but when i click on the bluetooth link on the iBook g4 - site, the link goes directly to the informationpage about the USB-stick from D-Link.

Sorry for my bad english...

Thanks, Michi
 
Re: Re: This is a Motorola G4.

Originally posted by Sun Baked
Since the chipsets are the same as both the Rev A/B PB12, the 1GB DIMM will likely test out as an option.

This is probably the most titillating performance aspect of these iBooks. OSX running with 1.1GB of SDRAM shouldn't be too shabby .....

Now we'll just need to source some really good memory chip bargains.
 
Good question Michi

I just looked and I can't tell if it is internal or external. When I ordered it, I assumed it was internal and ordered it. If it is external - I am going to wish I hadn't ordered it.
 
Whew..

It's about time..

My only problem is that I am now stuck with a legacy processor. :( I really wish they would have been widescreen too, but I guess Apple needs to keep that distinction between pro and consumer.
 
Re: I ordered one.....

Originally posted by Theresa
I currently have an iBook G3/500 Mhz as my laptop (G4 QuickSilver 733 as tower).

My iBook only has a 10 gig HD and I thought that was plenty when I ordered it.

I just did a BTO iBook purchase yesterday morning for a 12" G4 and maxed out RAM and HD. My shipdate is on or before 10/31/03. Will let everyone know what I think when it arrives.

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BTW - what is the going sell rate for an iBook G3/500Mhz/384 RAM/10 gig HD with airport?

that is so cool

imagine an ibook with a faster processor than your 733 in your G4 powermac!:D

your ibook G3 is now not worth what is was just a few days ago now that the G4 is out...try and get 500 for it but that may be hard since new in box, G3fx 800 mhz ibooks, 32 mb video card, 30 gig hard drives, and maxed out ram are going for 900 bucks on the net to make way for the new ibooks
 
I can't explain why - but I end up using my iBook more then my Quicksilver....

I was estimating around $475 for my iBook. I Hope I can get that much for it.

I really hope my laptop arrives next week. Estimated ship date is 3-5 days so it could ship Wednesday.
 
Originally posted by Theresa
I can't explain why - but I end up using my iBook more then my Quicksilver....

I was estimating around $475 for my iBook. I Hope I can get that much for it.

I really hope my laptop arrives next week. Estimated ship date is 3-5 days so it could ship Wednesday.

that sounds about right...i know somebody that wanted to sell the same period ibook w/o airport, but with maxed ram for around that (450 usd)

the sooner you sell it the better because once people start seeing the new g4 ibook, then it will be hard to sell a g3 ibook...at least your older ibook can be sold and cover the cost of maxed ram and airport, or ram and applecare protection

either way, you come out ahead, because a pc person with a comparable laptop from the same time period would be totally unable to sell a pc laptop at any price...so macs are much better at retaining their value over time
 
Originally posted by jefhatfield
either way, you come out ahead, because a pc person with a comparable laptop from the same time period would be totally unable to sell a pc laptop at any price...so macs are much better at retaining their value over time

Not really. I sold a 4 year old pc laptop for about $500 not too long ago. It was still very good, too, but I didn't need it anymore.
 
Originally posted by reflex
Not really. I sold a 4 year old pc laptop for about $500 not too long ago. It was still very good, too, but I didn't need it anymore.

wow, that's great...you came out very well i would say :)

my nearly 4 year old pc laptop...compaq presario 1272 - mobile amd k6-2 366/160 ram/4.3 hd is worth about three hundred dollars and the thing works very well...slow, but well...other stats are windows 98, ms works, word 97, macafee virus scan, and other bundled software titles

a celeron laptop of the same era might get a tiny bit more but it was basically targeted to the same entry level user...my laptop originally listed for 1599 usd in mid-1999, but i got it for 1399 usd that december with an instant 100 dollar rebate so i walked out of there paying 1299 dollars...i thought i made out like a bandit

but now there are a few celeron PC laptops out there for under 800 dollars brand new

what kind of PC laptop did you sell? pentium III?
 
I'm looking into buying a used or new iBook G3...Could someone PM me sites that have new/refurb G3 iBooks.
And people can also PM me if ur selling your G3 iBook...or old TiPowerbook.
 
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: still underpowered

Originally posted by fourthtunz
I guess it all depends on the perspective or size of the user:)
I've seen the dinky laptops at sams clubs and I wouldn't want one any smaller than the 12" screen. I think the ones they had are compaqs?
Hey if it doesn't have an apple os on it I don't care about it:rolleyes:
Maybe Apple thinks that they cannot make $$ with smaller notebooks?
daniel
Apple - who knows what they are thinking sometimes...

me - I am 6'4" tall at about 215 lbs. Not exactly small. But I do have 20/15 vision, so small screens with higher res screens don't bother me at all (Lifebook P2000/5000 series for example).
 
Originally posted by jefhatfield
wow, that's great...you came out very well i would say :)

I like to think I did, although I did at one point upgrade the hd from 6GB to 20GB and I had just replaced the battery (the old one lasted only a few minutes). So you could say I only made $100 less on it (the price of the battery).

It was a PII 366MHz with 192MB ram. Could be it was only 3 years old, but I think it was 4. I had it for 2 years (bought it on eBay myself). Arguably the best laptop I ever owned (but not up to my needs anymore).
 
Originally posted by iEric
I'm looking into buying a used or new iBook G3...Could someone PM me sites that have new/refurb G3 iBooks.

And people can also PM me if ur selling your G3 iBook...or old TiPowerbook.
Apple is still selling the "Legacy" iBook G3 at the Apple Store.

They moved them further down the page -- opposite the MDD PowerMac G4s.
 
ARRRRGGGHH

Trust me to buy a shiny new ibook G3 900 Mhz two months ago then they bring out a G4 version, is always my luck i bet if i stopped supporting tottenham they would go win the premership :)

I love my G3 ibook any way it works fine with eveything i have thrown at it, video editing, photoshop effects, failing to create anything usefull in illustrator :)


Think i'll get a desktop next (in 5 years) mabye a g6..hmmm
 
"Developer Notes" for the iBook G4 finally came out today with lots of technical details, but still no specific mention of which CPU it uses!

http://developer.apple.com/document...er_Notes/Macintosh_CPUs-G4/iBookG4/index.html

Interestingly, under Supplemental Reference Documents, it links directly to Motorola's MPC7457. Maybe they're using that, with half the cache disabled (which would be the best outcome, given the 7445/7455's less efficient power consumption).

Actually, my preferred option would've been IBM's 750GX, which is even more efficient, but isn't due for production until December (I thought this was actually the reason why it was taking longer than usual for a new range of iBooks to appear, but it looks like Apple decided not to wait).
 
Originally posted by huntsman
Actually, my preferred option would've been IBM's 750GX, which is even more efficient, but isn't due for production until December (I thought this was actually the reason why it was taking longer than usual for a new range of iBooks to appear, but it looks like Apple decided not to wait).

And it's a G3...without AltiVec...
 
Originally posted by huntsman
"Developer Notes" for the iBook G4 finally came out today with lots of technical details, but still no specific mention of which CPU it uses!

Actually, if you know what your looking for it tells you almost exactly what CPU is in it. It's a 7455 or 7445. The clues are altivec (duh), MaxBus (a Motorola invention) and 256k L2 cache (which is what the 7445/7455 has).
 
Originally posted by Phil Of Mac
And it's a G3...without AltiVec...
Correct. If you often use applications tuned for AltiVec, there's no argument that a G4 is better.

That aside, for non-AltiVec applications the 750FX "G3" in iBooks are already neck-and-neck with the "G4" in PowerBooks of the similar clock speed, and that's with the former having the disadvantages of a lower FSB speed and weaker graphics chip. So the 750GX, with its bumped up cache (1MB) and clock speed (up to 1.1GHz), combined with the bumped up FSB and better graphics chip the new iBooks have received, could have proved slightly embarassing for the PowerBooks.

If you use Mac OS X it all comes down to how much AltiVec you use, but being a Linux user myself that is insignificant and I would've preferred the lower power consumption of the 750GX (<8W typ. @ 1GHz) and longer battery life that would result.


Rincewind, you may be right, but when I looked it didn't add up. The 7445/7455 spits out 17W typ. @ 800MHz (24W max) according to the specs. How is the 6 hour battery life being maintained? Where is that heat going on a 12" iBook? The internal metal frame is insulated by plastic, so it's not radiating like it could with the PowerBooks. This was my first thought the new iBook was unveiled--the G4 might kill its reputation as a cool and mostly silent machine (unless you're one of the unlucky ones stuck with an iBook G3 with a constantly running fan).

On the other hand, the first impressions article at xlr8yourmac.com, while not going into much detail, said "Subjectively it feels no warmer than a 700 MHz iBook" and had good things to say about the battery life.

These are the things that lead me to guess that it uses a neutered 7447/7457, but it's also possible the iBook G4 uses a new revision of the 7445/7455 with lower power consumption. There is a recent sales document at Motorola which lists significantly lower power specs than the 7445/7455 product summaries, indicating the figures from the latter may be out of date. It gives the 7445/7455 a figure of 11.2W typ. @ 800MHz. These new Rev F/G's weren't due for production until June/July this year, so they would not be the same old G4's leftover from the previous range of PowerBooks, as some have speculated.

Sorry about the long post, but hopefully you can see I didn't make my speculation out of thin air :D
 
Originally posted by huntsman
Correct. If you often use applications tuned for AltiVec, there's no argument that a G4 is better....

I think that Apple wanted all their computers to run their software. FCP and DVD SP both require G4's. I need to replace my G3 iMac so that I can run them at home. I would have been upset if Apple came out with new iBooks that could not run them.

All of a sudden, there is a laptop that fits my needs and is in my price range. All that said, I am still going to hold off and see what comes from Apple in the next couple of months. I can put off my next purchase until early next year.

Unrelated, how many posts or how long until I get rid of my "newbie" moniker.
 
A G4 iBook really complicates my decision making process. I still feel the G5 Powerbook will not be a reality till this time next year. ....My iBook 600 is a bit long-in-the-tooth. And I do have the cash on hand, sortof...

I think I will wait and read the reports of Panther performance on older macs and then look at some benchmarks from various sites before I take the plunge.

I are Tightwad.
 
Originally posted by pjkelnhofer
I think that Apple wanted all their computers to run their software. FCP and DVD SP both require G4's. I need to replace my G3 iMac so that I can run them at home. I would have been upset if Apple came out with new iBooks that could not run them.

If DVD creation were a signifigant reason for putting G4s in the iBook line then you would expect Apple to offer a Superdrive equipped iBook.
 
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