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Mac-Addict said:
Oh Apple, Why go back to these ads! Make an advert showing people what you can actually do with Leopard like the iPhone ads. Not just stating how much you are better. Prove it!!!
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Yeah! GREAT IDEA! Maybe get some footage of Kevin Costner using his Apple computer. It just get's people talking about it.

It's like the old "Where's the beef?" commercial. The whole point is to get people talking about "Did you see the new ______ add?", not put people to sleep with lame details. They are a funny pair of guys with good chemistry. I don't think they need to make a TV show about it (ahem... Cavemen) :rolleyes:, but I think it's good stuff.

If you want details, go to the website or visit the Apple store.
 
CJD2112 said:
Working at Apple, I don't know one customer who wants to go back to Tiger. Keep in mind, people don't go online to post compliments, they typically make complaints. That fact alone isn't representative of the overall reaction to any particular product (in this case Leopard). Most of the customers (actually, in my case all of my customers) LOVE Leopard over Tiger, especially the PPC users who have noticed a double in speed increase.

Leopard installed fine on my Mac Pro. No complaints here. Vista on my slave drive, well, that's another story.
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I am pretty sure you can't post on these sites if you really work for Apple.
 
Apple should be ashamed of themselves considering Vista is way more stable than Leopard.

I love Apple-well used to. Windows XP is by far the best OS on the market today.

I know all Apple nuts think Apple invented the best early OS, but is was Amiga a few months later that were the true innovaters.

It took Microsoft and Apple even longer to match what Amiga did in late 1984.

Good night!
 
MacFly123 said:
So then why is it that whenever I show people in real life little things about Macs like that, their eyes light up and they are amazed and say, "WOW... I'm gunna have to get a Mac next time", or "I want a Mac". This happens to me when I show people things about Macs ALL THE TIME. Now I hear what you are saying about the old ads, but I think today is different because of the trendiness and people really are taking a look now so I think those kinds of ads would grab attention and work. Maybe they could run the Mac vs. PC and some new Leopard & iLife '08 showcase ads simultaneously! But with how sick of PCs and Vista people are, now is the time I think!
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There are a few problems with your example...
1. The person you are showing the Mac to obviously wants to see what you have to show.
2. You are not limited to 30 seconds to impress them.
 
CJD2112 said:
Working at Apple, I don't know one customer who wants to go back to Tiger. Keep in mind, people don't go online to post compliments, they typically make complaints. That fact alone isn't representative of the overall reaction to any particular product (in this case Leopard). Most of the customers (actually, in my case all of my customers) LOVE Leopard over Tiger, especially the PPC users who have noticed a double in speed increase.

Leopard installed fine on my Mac Pro. No complaints here. Vista on my slave drive, well, that's another story.
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Well then, let me be the first to tell you that I have returned to Tiger for MANY reasons.

Let me list a bit of my troubles for the casual viewer:

Here's my setup: PPC G5 Dual 2.3 ghz, 4.5 GB of RAM, 2 internal drives = 500gb, 1 external @ 500gb. All the RAM is from crucial and Apple - I've had it the RAM for over a year... so the freezes aren't related to old/bad RAM.

1 internal has Tiger the other Leopard (clean install). The external is for Time machine.

1. Several crashes (per session) of Safari
2. HUGE memory hog (here's the running programs: Finder, Safari, Firfox, ichat, itunes, iphoto, Dragthing, Entourage, ical.
a. Tiger - I would average 400-600 mb
b. Leopard - I run around 1800 mb
3. I've had a total system freeze (using MacPilot) whereby I had to hard restart.
4. While using spaces, I switch to a space where an app resides, only to not be able to bring up my last active window (not a frequent occurence -random.
5. I've had to restart a few times and when I did, I got a blue screen telling me to restart again!
6. Having my iphone plugged in when I start the computer - it takes 4-5 minutes before I am fully at desktop. (tiger is about 1 minute -these are general estimates)
7. Every time i restart in Leopard (not in Tiger), I lose my internet connection and have to restart my linksys wireless router (I'm wired in, my girlfriend is wireless)
8. Noticed not one "bit/byte" of speed increase so purported by the masses.
9. Horrible bandwidth hog in ichat video (yeah, I actually use it)
With that all said - I (personally) feel this is a SUPER DUPER STINKER!!! AND - I could be easily classified as a fanboi - check my sig and I've been on mac since day one of OS 9.1 with by beloved beige DT (gossamer) 266 mhz.

I was very excited by so much of this - spaces, time machine, new finder etc, etc. I tried to boot in tonight just to try again... I could never get on the web (after several router restarts) but Leopard just too beta for me.

I'll wait for the 260 mb 10.5.1 update before I venture deeper.

I know others who are backin' up a bit bacause of their issues as well. Apple better sort this crap out, or it is going to become fodder for the Vista vs. Leopard wars.
 
BritinNC said:
I find this a little ironic since I have had to revert back to Tiger from Leopard. The number of problems were just piling up and I have to rely on the system for my business. Leopard will be great when its finished, but I suspect that it simply wasn't and all the features I was interested in didn't work for me. I have a very clean system and both my Mac Pro and my old Powerbook had issues with the upgrade, even when I did an erase and install after the original install. The final straw was when my business folder simply disappeared from finder (although it was still in the directory when I looked in terminal thankfully) after a time machine backup.

So its back to Tiger and I'll wait for a revision or two before going back to Leopard since I probably wasted about 20 hours on it all. Maybe I should have got a consultant.

Anyway, I like the ads generally, and I like being an early adopter of Apple stuff, but people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones!
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Why keep throwing consultant out there? There is no consultant in the commercials. :rolleyes:
 
The two "downgrade" ads do seem like a bit of a low blow, but at the same time, like Muhammad Ali once said, "it aint bragging if it's true"

ps. have folks seen that there is a site stealing from macrumors :eek: (and probably elsewhere)
 
junker said:
Well then, let me be the first to tell you that I have returned to Tiger for MANY reasons.

Let me list a bit of my troubles for the casual viewer:

Here's my setup: PPC G5 Dual 2.3 ghz, 4.5 GB of RAM, 2 internal drives = 500gb, 1 external @ 500gb. All the RAM is from crucial and Apple - I've had it the RAM for over a year... so the freezes aren't related to old/bad RAM.
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I just installed Leopard on a Dual 2.0Ghz G5 with *less* RAM than you have and I haven't had any of the issues you're talking about. As far as speed increases, the Finder is vastly improved. It's nice not to have the whole machine bog down when doing a heavy amount of network communication, so for me, that's a speed boost, in a sense.

One of the things you described sounded like a kernel panic which is usually caused by a hardware incompatibility. It's entirely likely that something in your machine or connected to it doesn't play well with Leopard. Sadly, that's one of those things that will happen with a major OS update. I would try again after Apple gets 10.5.1 out and see what happens.
 
irony

how ironic, i just downgraded from Leopard. piece of unstable junk. i'm still a long way from switching, but apple has been letting me down a lot lately after a long run of quality.
 
the podium ad is nice, but if MSFT wanted to it could easily make fun of apple's very own BSOD that many of us experienced 2 weeks ago...
 
Frisco said:
Apple should be ashamed of themselves considering Vista is way more stable than Leopard.
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I'd like to read a bit more on how you came to that conclusion. Leopard definitely isn't perfect and I think it needs so serious work before I recommend it to folks, but the underpinnings are far better than anything I've read or seen with Vista. I have had zero stability issues with Leopard, just some severe version x.0 itchiness.
 
plaine300 said:
how ironic, i just downgraded from Leopard. piece of unstable junk. i'm still a long way from switching, but apple has been letting me down a lot lately after a long run of quality.
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Leopard is aweful! I switched from Tiger to WinXP a few years back and haven't looked back.
 
Eh, I did not like any of the new comercials. They should notrely on bashing vista.

Also -

A podium is something you stand on while giving a speech.

A lectern is something you stand behind while giving a speech.

I thought at least Apple would get it right.
 
Frisco said:
Apple should be ashamed of themselves considering Vista is way more stable than Leopard.

I love Apple-well used to. Windows XP is by far the best OS on the market today.

I know all Apple nuts think Apple invented the best early OS, but is was Amiga a few months later that were the true innovaters.

It took Microsoft and Apple even longer to match what Amiga did in late 1984.

Good night!
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Yup, the Amiga was soooo far ahead of its time. I have to disagree on XP being better then tiger tho.
 
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