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Sad Leopard is just as bad.

Well actually Vista is better than Leopard. Dreamweaver CS3 cannot keep a connection with FTP. Vista version of Dreamweaver connects within seconds, so fast as to be unreal, downloads whole sites, something OSX versions cannot do.

I love the Mac, hate Leopard and really hate these adverts as it is rank stupidity to claim Window users can only do spread sheets.

It's lying of the worst kind and does the platform no favors when these adverts come on and some viewer is using his Dell to Skype, rip a Video to DVD and about to go online for networked gaming.

Fact is both Leopard and Vista have their detractors. Read the message boards about Leopard. It's not good.

Apple is looking so stupid at the moment.
 
MacFly123 said:
Amen! What they REALLY REALLY REALLY need to do (and it's pathetic that they haven't) is do just that and show off Leopard AND iLife '08... Now THAT would sell a LOT more Macs. They need to show the general public that Macs aren't just for designers, they are better for your simple, elegant digital life and all the things you want to do with a computer!

I like these ads and think they are funny, but I think it is time for them to end, and I seriously can't believe Apple hasn't shown off their OS and iLife in commercials before, it boggles my mind that they haven't :mad:
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I agree. I have showed so many people my mac and they go o well its only good for people who are in design, film, and photography. I have friends that just use their mac to do every day tasks. hmm.. Still love the ad. Vista does suck. I went back to xp on my VM.
 
henjin said:
Well actually Vista is better than Leopard. Dreamweaver CS3 cannot keep a connection with FTP. Vista version of Dreamweaver connects within seconds, so fast as to be unreal, downloads whole sites, something OSX versions cannot do.
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The day we begin ranking the general well-being of an operating system based on its ability to run Dreamweaver is the day I hurl myself off the top of the nearest tall building.
 
watching these ads makes me wish I hadn't bought a Mac :(

In reality, XP/Vista have been so much more stable and problem free in my experiences. Given I'm a serious CS "power user", but still :(.

I bought a Mac because the ladies love photobooth and the photo effects ;)
 
rdowns said:
I'm a PPC (G5) user and I would love some of that double speed too.
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PPC Users (and quite a few other with Intel machines) would also like that "transparent" menubar (which is actually translucent).

henjin said:
Well actually Vista is better than Leopard.
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While I agree that Leopard is far from perfect, I dont really agree with you on this one. 10.5 def has its glitches and annoyances, and I'm really hoping Apple puts out that .1 update sooner than later...

It's really a case of the teapot calling the kettle black. But while, with a few exceptions, I mostly hate these ads, you cant argue against market data, and they seem to be working. So Apple would be wise to keep at it.
 
So, any guesses about the percentage if Leopard adopters going back to Tiger, as opposed to the number of Vista adopters going back to XP?

And to the poster who wrote that XP was the best OS ever, I guess you haven't tried it on my office set-up. We have spent tens of thousands of dollars trying to get XP Server to run a database program on about 15 computers. The server hardware, RAID array and connections are all high-end. The server works reasonably well for an hour or two after rebooting, but then starts to seriously lag. The printer drivers never work properly, when they work at all. And if a document does print, you never know which printer it's going to come out of. Our support staff spend almost as much time trying to get the computers to work as they spend actually doing productive work. I absolutely loathe XP.
 
um... what BSOD

inkswamp said:
FWIW, I've seen BSODs as recently as a month ago. XP still has a lot of issues when connecting devices. XP's stability is only as good as the drivers you have to load. That's sort of unfortunate.

I don't find the BSOD icon in OS X to be unprofessional, but I don't like it either because it's so far out of whack with Apple's aesthetic, which is simple, non-distracting and tasteful. To put the image of a crashed Windows PC in there is a little like showing text icons with dog pee stains on it or rips on the edges. It's just tacky. It's not Apple's style.
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Where is the Blue screen of death (BSOD) icon that you guys are talking about? I'm really curious how you get this one to show up.

It's true that in life, you don't want to bash the opponent to make yourself better. However, this is what works, (obviously it works) and i applaud apple for it. these ads generate attention and so why wouldn't they use them?

Another thing (to continue my rant) i hate how everyone must add in their comments "Apple product x is far from perfect..." apple could invent a car that got 100 miles to the gallon and people would still complain that you have to put gas in it so it's far from perfect.
 
RMD- said:
Apple is massive? Than the PC-World is as huge as a whole galaxy! Apple is not even in the Top 5 of worldwide computer manufacturers.

If Macs ever reach 30% worldwide marketshare, than they are losing the underdog image.
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Being an underdog really has little to do with being a strong market competitor. Most consumers buy products and have brand loyalty for reasons other than whether the company is an underdog. In fact, an underdog reputation can be harmful because customers will perceive (mostly incorrectly) that the underdog will be unable to survive.

Furthermore, Apple is indeed massive. Its market cap now places it above IBM, which means that only Google and Microsoft outrank it in tech stocks. Its revenue and profit are also quite plump, and Apple has a mountain of cash from previous years.

Back to the ads. I didn't really care for any of them too much. The older ones were ok, but these recent ones have lost their touch.
 
MacinDoc said:
So, any guesses about the percentage if Leopard adopters going back to Tiger, as opposed to the number of Vista adopters going back to XP?

And to the poster who wrote that XP was the best OS ever, I guess you haven't tried it on my office set-up. We have spent tens of thousands of dollars trying to get XP Server to run a database program on about 15 computers. The server hardware, RAID array and connections are all high-end. The server works reasonably well for an hour or two after rebooting, but then starts to seriously lag. The printer drivers never work properly, when they work at all. And if a document does print, you never know which printer it's going to come out of. Our support staff spend almost as much time trying to get the computers to work as they spend actually doing productive work. I absolutely loathe XP.
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see, it's funny you talk about it like this.

You are talking about a fairly major IT opperation - try using OSX for such a setup. Our entire company (some 45,000 employees) runs on XP, and we spend millions and millions every year "fixing" computers, and random issues that come up. But we'd never would even consider using OSX because the feature set just wouldn't meet our requirments.

Keep in mind, I'm a firm OSX fanboy, but I'll always have love and respect for microsoft. I just don't really think you can compare a serious office/business setup to a computer running Leopard.
 
Yeah, make no mention of people who got screwed by Leopard and had to downgrade to 10.4 again. Endless wireless issues such as dropped connections, slow connections, and refusal to connect on PPC and Intel Macs, anyone? How about the screwed up account permissions issue with an unknown user in the ACL and Finder crashes when you try to edit them? How about 10.5 Server sucking so bad that services refuse to work properly and it eventually stops booting for no reason (and on a fresh installation) when the hardware is fine? I expect to see some issues with upgrades, but nothing like this. These are huge problems that should NEVER, EVER have made it into the shipping product. There is no excuse whatsoever. Leopard Server is unbelievably buggy. It's not as bad as Vista, but I expect much better from Apple.
 
chambers7 said:
Another thing (to continue my rant) i hate how everyone must add in their comments "Apple product x is far from perfect..." apple could invent a car that got 100 miles to the gallon and people would still complain that you have to put gas in it so it's far from perfect.
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Quite a rant indeed, just wish it even started to make sense. Cos I mean, whats your point exactly??

Are you saying that 10.5 is perfect and Apple should stop there and not release any further updates? Cos that'd be an idiot and irresponsible statement to make. For someone to concede that Leopard is not perfect does not make one a moron, it merely lends credence to whatever else that person is going to say because its a fact (get ready for this): Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard is far from perfect :eek:

Yes. Believe it :apple:
 
these adds work

I just don't get it... why do people insist that Apple create commercials showing off all the features of Leopard. That is what the website and the store is for.

I say that because most people who would switch are those kind of people that would see you show off spaces and stacks and lots of other features and them sitting back there thinking, that would be nice, but i have to be able to type word documents still so a mac wouldn't work for me. FOR INSTANCE, i know a girl in my sociology class who has a mac but boots it into windows to use Micros*** word.

If some of you created commercials, people would still think macs are too complex to use. Apple has done the right thing. The commercials don't over complicate anything.
 
chambers7 said:
I just don't get it... why do people insist that Apple create commercials showing off all the features of Leopard. That is what the website and the store is for.

I say that because most people who would switch are those kind of people that would see you show off spaces and stacks and lots of other features and them sitting back there thinking, that would be nice, but i have to be able to type word documents still so a mac wouldn't work for me. FOR INSTANCE, i know a girl in my sociology class who has a mac but boots it into windows to use Micros*** word.

If some of you created commercials, people would still think macs are too complex to use. Apple has done the right thing. The commercials don't over complicate anything.
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Exactly. Apple addresses the benefits of a mac on a more global scale: no viruses, intuitive, easy to use. The more detail they ever get into is "iLife". It really plants the seed of curiosity in the viewer. When they go into the apple store, they will be familiarized with the "essence" of the Mac, but they can actually try out and see the cool features in the store itself. Showing off the features in the commercial wouldn't do anything except confuse some users.
 
extensor said:
Hate to break it to you but there is not a magical Apple elf that does everything. The programmers can work on Leopard updates while the marketing people work on commercials. :rolleyes:
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Thats not the point. The point is don't bash someone else when you don't have your own sh*t together.

So far this year

iMovie - Have to offer the older version when iLife 08 was released due to complaints.

iPhone - 200.00 price drop, yet more problems had to offer rebates.

iMac - Freezing issues can't even get a video driver fixed in three months.

iTouch - firmware problems, screen issues.

Leopard - Over two dozen patches expected in 10.5.1, thats a bit much if testing was done correctly.

So its not like Apple has had a lack of issues. The 'it just works' didn't really pan out this year.

Also OSx does not compete in an open market with Windows so its not even valid to say these two operating systesm compete, they don't.

Like someone else said they need to stop acting like they are working out of someones garage, and give up on the 1970's battle with MS.

Look good on your own merrits not by trying to make someone else look bad.
 
what?

brepublican said:
Quite a rant indeed, just wish it even started to make sense. Cos I mean, whats your point exactly??

Are you saying that 10.5 is perfect and Apple should stop there and not release any further updates? Cos that'd be an idiot and irresponsible statement to make. For someone to concede that Leopard is not perfect does not make one a moron, it merely lends credence to whatever else that person is going to say because its a fact (get ready for this): Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard is far from perfect :eek:

Yes. Believe it :apple:
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I think i made my point clear: people like to complain... and maybe i shouldn't read these forums because that is what a lot of posters do.

OSX is not perfect, but nothing will ever be perfect, so why do people need to say "This is far from perfect"? where does complaining get us anyway?

I think we should drop it here because we are both apple fans and fighting isn't any fun.
 
chambers7 said:
I think i made my point clear: people like to complain... and maybe i shouldn't read these forums because that is what a lot of posters do.

OSX is not perfect, but nothing will ever be perfect, so why do people need to say "This is far from perfect"? where does complaining get us anyway?

I think we should drop it here because we are both apple fans and fighting isn't any fun.
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Fair enough :eek:
 
MacFly123 said:
It is amazing how you just know what happens in my life :rolleyes: Are you stalking me or something? I called out the girls names while they were doing something else (working) while they really had NO desire to watch my display and showed them a couple things. And I have an amazing sense of time. It was definitely less than 30 seconds.

Are you going to tell me again now what happened in my life, or are you done arguing? :rolleyes:
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I'm sorry you thought I was arguing with you. And your amazing sense of time is a remarkable gift. :D
 
I remember...

I seem to remember that when XP first released... when you connected your ethernet cable your computer would be infected with crud within 7 minutes... i used Vista several months after it came out and firefox crashed three times using it (and only it) with just two pages open. How could anyone say XP or vista is a better OS? I believe there isn't any point to stand on here.

$129 for Leopard Ultimate vs. $279 for Vista Ultimate. I've owned XP on a sweet computer. The OS still sucked. Vista wasn't much better.

Honestly, something leads me to believe these people who keep posting that XP or vista is better aren't even using Leopard. I have a feeling it is steve ballmer posting here. it has to be because it doesn't make logical sense.
 
atl27426 said:
Thats not the point. The point is don't bash someone else when you don't have your own sh*t together.

So far this year

iMovie - Have to offer the older version when iLife 08 was released due to complaints.

iPhone - 200.00 price drop, yet more problems had to offer rebates.

iMac - Freezing issues can't even get a video driver fixed in three months.

iTouch - firmware problems, screen issues.

Leopard - Over two dozen patches expected in 10.5.1, thats a bit much if testing was done correctly.

So its not like Apple has had a lack of issues. The 'it just works' didn't really pan out this year.

Also OSx does not compete in an open market with Windows so its not even valid to say these two operating systesm compete, they don't.

Like someone else said they need to stop acting like they are working out of someones garage, and give up on the 1970's battle with MS.

Look good on your own merrits not by trying to make someone else look bad.
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I was replying to this....
instead of ripping it out of vista get of ur backsides and sort out leopards issues!

Did you reply to the wrong post? :confused:
 
henjin said:
Well actually Vista is better than Leopard. Dreamweaver CS3 cannot keep a connection with FTP. Vista version of Dreamweaver connects within seconds, so fast as to be unreal, downloads whole sites, something OSX versions cannot do.

I love the Mac, hate Leopard and really hate these adverts as it is rank stupidity to claim Window users can only do spread sheets.

It's lying of the worst kind and does the platform no favors when these adverts come on and some viewer is using his Dell to Skype, rip a Video to DVD and about to go online for networked gaming.

Fact is both Leopard and Vista have their detractors. Read the message boards about Leopard. It's not good.

Apple is looking so stupid at the moment.
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I agree. Leopard sucks so bad. Apple should close down the business and give the money to the shareholders. ;)
 
apple really shouldnt bag vista like that. im sure vista is crap, but these ads are a little over the top. everyone i know who uses vista hates it (except one - who is an it wizz) ... better to just show how simple leopard is :)
 
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