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junker said:
Well then, let me be the first to tell you that I have returned to Tiger for MANY reasons.

Let me list a bit of my troubles for the casual viewer:

Here's my setup: PPC G5 Dual 2.3 ghz, 4.5 GB of RAM, 2 internal drives = 500gb, 1 external @ 500gb. All the RAM is from crucial and Apple - I've had it the RAM for over a year... so the freezes aren't related to old/bad RAM.

1 internal has Tiger the other Leopard (clean install). The external is for Time machine.

1. Several crashes (per session) of Safari
2. HUGE memory hog (here's the running programs: Finder, Safari, Firfox, ichat, itunes, iphoto, Dragthing, Entourage, ical.
a. Tiger - I would average 400-600 mb
b. Leopard - I run around 1800 mb
3. I've had a total system freeze (using MacPilot) whereby I had to hard restart.
4. While using spaces, I switch to a space where an app resides, only to not be able to bring up my last active window (not a frequent occurence -random.
5. I've had to restart a few times and when I did, I got a blue screen telling me to restart again!
6. Having my iphone plugged in when I start the computer - it takes 4-5 minutes before I am fully at desktop. (tiger is about 1 minute -these are general estimates)
7. Every time i restart in Leopard (not in Tiger), I lose my internet connection and have to restart my linksys wireless router (I'm wired in, my girlfriend is wireless)
8. Noticed not one "bit/byte" of speed increase so purported by the masses.
9. Horrible bandwidth hog in ichat video (yeah, I actually use it)
With that all said - I (personally) feel this is a SUPER DUPER STINKER!!! AND - I could be easily classified as a fanboi - check my sig and I've been on mac since day one of OS 9.1 with by beloved beige DT (gossamer) 266 mhz.

I was very excited by so much of this - spaces, time machine, new finder etc, etc. I tried to boot in tonight just to try again... I could never get on the web (after several router restarts) but Leopard just too beta for me.

I'll wait for the 260 mb 10.5.1 update before I venture deeper.

I know others who are backin' up a bit bacause of their issues as well. Apple better sort this crap out, or it is going to become fodder for the Vista vs. Leopard wars.
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You obviously have a hardware issue that comes out when running Leopard.
There are some programs that just don't work with leopard yet, wait till they're updated.
As far as the Linksys router goes I had the same problem with one under Tiger, it used to drive me nuts. I finally replaced it with an Airport Extreme and have not had a problem since.
I now have Leopard on 5 computers Intel and PPC and they are all running flawlessly.

If all these problems were an issue within Leopard they would replicate them selfs on all machines or at least on some specific ones.
But from what I have read here and on other sites that's not the case, so logic would dictate that there are some pieces of 3rd party software and hardware that are causing the problems.
Definitely worth looking at from that point of view before blaming or chucking the whole OS.

Anyway, just a thought.
 
extensor said:
There are a few problems with your example...
1. The person you are showing the Mac to obviously wants to see what you have to show.
2. You are not limited to 30 seconds to impress them.
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Well believe it or not, that is not true... I have shown little things to people in my office that actually get annoyed with all the Mac vs. PC talk and had no interest in Macs and in less than 30 Seconds had them all wowed thank you :rolleyes:
 
i dont even own a mac, *yet* waiting for some money lol im only 15 haha
and waiting for a new imac configuration sumtime in febuary perhaps??
Can anyone clearify?? please.

Anyways, i love these commercials, so do all my friends, every one at school tmrw is gonna be liike hey did u guys see the new mac commercials ahahha i can see it now

Great job apple:):apple:
 
MacFly123 said:
Well believe it or not, that is not true... I have shown little things to people in my office that actually get annoyed with all the Mac vs. PC talk and had no interest in Macs and in less than 30 Seconds had them all wowed thank you :rolleyes:
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You just proved point #1 where I said they are willing captives already. Try Popping up where someone is doing something else and wow them in 30 seconds. :D

And I find it hard to believe that prior to this thread you were timing yourself.
 
junker said:
Well then, let me be the first to tell you that I have returned to Tiger for MANY reasons.

Let me list a bit of my troubles for the casual viewer:

Here's my setup: PPC G5 Dual 2.3 ghz, 4.5 GB of RAM, 2 internal drives = 500gb, 1 external @ 500gb. All the RAM is from crucial and Apple - I've had it the RAM for over a year... so the freezes aren't related to old/bad RAM.

1 internal has Tiger the other Leopard (clean install). The external is for Time machine.

1. Several crashes (per session) of Safari
2. HUGE memory hog (here's the running programs: Finder, Safari, Firfox, ichat, itunes, iphoto, Dragthing, Entourage, ical.
a. Tiger - I would average 400-600 mb
b. Leopard - I run around 1800 mb
3. I've had a total system freeze (using MacPilot) whereby I had to hard restart.
4. While using spaces, I switch to a space where an app resides, only to not be able to bring up my last active window (not a frequent occurence -random.
5. I've had to restart a few times and when I did, I got a blue screen telling me to restart again!
6. Having my iphone plugged in when I start the computer - it takes 4-5 minutes before I am fully at desktop. (tiger is about 1 minute -these are general estimates)
7. Every time i restart in Leopard (not in Tiger), I lose my internet connection and have to restart my linksys wireless router (I'm wired in, my girlfriend is wireless)
8. Noticed not one "bit/byte" of speed increase so purported by the masses.
9. Horrible bandwidth hog in ichat video (yeah, I actually use it)
With that all said - I (personally) feel this is a SUPER DUPER STINKER!!! AND - I could be easily classified as a fanboi - check my sig and I've been on mac since day one of OS 9.1 with by beloved beige DT (gossamer) 266 mhz.

I was very excited by so much of this - spaces, time machine, new finder etc, etc. I tried to boot in tonight just to try again... I could never get on the web (after several router restarts) but Leopard just too beta for me.

I'll wait for the 260 mb 10.5.1 update before I venture deeper.

I know others who are backin' up a bit bacause of their issues as well. Apple better sort this crap out, or it is going to become fodder for the Vista vs. Leopard wars.
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I haven't seen a single one of the problems you list, and I have had a speed increase and am LOVING Leopard :)
 
I love these ads, they're cute and funny and tell a nice, metaphorical story.

The very idea that the commercial were brought up and put to Jobs and Gates during the All Things D conference, should be a testament to their lasting and unmistakeable imprint on our culture (not to mention the Daily Show interviews with Gates and Hodgman). Inevitably some people hate them. I think the metaphors are spot on. I remember running into some goofiness with Vista security, and reading an article about the predicament with changing the security model and dealing with legacy apps. Immediately the commercial with the "security" guy came to mind. That's GOOD advertisement. It reinforced the terrible feeling I got, and made me that much more driven towards upgrading to Leopard and NOT Vista (and in all over ways remaining with Windows XP).

At the end of the day, I find geeky enjoyment in watching them.

Someone's probably already mentioned it, but as of 10:00 PM, Apple's put the new "PR Lady" ad up on the site.

http://www.apple.com/getamac/ads/

~ CB
 
Glad to see a new batch of ads out, but they will make more sense once the vendors update my pro software (Digidesign, Waves, etc.) to be compatible with Leopard, and then I buy upgrades for the other stuff (Adobe CS, etc.) to Leopard-compatible.

And, I'd like to get my Canon all-in-one to scan like in Tiger too....

I expect the usual several months of compatibility wait. That's ok. I'm dual-booting Tiger & Leopard to play with Leopard for now.

But, still enjoyable ads though.
 
jonnylink said:
The two "downgrade" ads do seem like a bit of a low blow, but at the same time, like Muhammad Ali once said, "it aint bragging if it's true"

ps. have folks seen that there is a site stealing from macrumors :eek: (and probably elsewhere)
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They are probably using an rss feed plugin for wordpress. This is pretty common, though the ones I have seen in use, have tags like "post from MacRumors" or some such.
I ran something like this a few weeks ago, though it was for personal use. I was going to run all my rss feeds from my news reader, and then I could comment on them if needed. It was not going to be for public consumption.
 
extensor said:
You just proved point #1 where I said they are willing captives already. Try Popping up where someone is doing something else and wow them in 30 seconds. :D

And I find it hard to believe that prior to this thread you were timing yourself.
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It is amazing how you just know what happens in my life :rolleyes: Are you stalking me or something? I called out the girls names while they were doing something else (working) while they really had NO desire to watch my display and showed them a couple things. And I have an amazing sense of time. It was definitely less than 30 seconds.

Are you going to tell me again now what happened in my life, or are you done arguing? :rolleyes:
 
Haha, I love the Podium commercial! The campaigning for Vista and then he says, "I switched back to XP 3 weeks ago. Much happier." :D
 
iMac?

Alright, this may be a very minor thing but,
in these new Mac ads the black apple logo is WHITE
and I know it may be the reflection
but the black logo looks like it's almost the same color as the aluminum.

Just me being anal I guess.
 
i liked the podium one....
i was just wondering that they haven't done a new series of these ads in a while...
 
I don't get it ...

I've been using Tiger since day one, and I'm not saying that any OS is perfect, because they aren't, but I haven't had any of the issues that anyone else is complaining about. In fact ... I love it!

The only issue I had is that I have to dedicate an external hard drive to Time Machine (unless someone knows a setting I don't), but other than that it is a great OS.

As for Vista, I'm now using it under boot camp, just to see and I have to admit that it does look nice. But if you run it with less than an optimal set up, it looks terrible. An OS shouldn't behave that way. If it isn't an ideal computer it should at least look decent. Just my two cents.

- By the way, I'm excited to see I'm not a newbe after four years finally -:D
 
inkswamp said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7oLj6NW1jM
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Hey, that's the guy form Heroes. Pretty bad commercial though.

operator207 said:
They are probably using an rss feed plugin for wordpress. This is pretty common, though the ones I have seen in use, have tags like "post from MacRumors" or some such.
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Well, yeah, but without citing the source it's plagiarism (read: stealing). Without having read macrumors no one would know where the text is coming from, and in fact they'd think it was original content. The mechanism for the theft is kind of tangential to the fact I think.

Anyway, the commercials work. You don't have to like them— they are designed to do one thing, associate Mac with simplicity and common computer needs (sharing photos, making home videos, etc). It creates a promise that your life can be easier if you switch and that you'll be able to do things that you've wanted to do before while worrying less about the things you worry about with your computer now. Even if you don't like them it plants a seed and then the next time that Windows crashes in the middle of something important you'll remember that ad. Or when you click on the next security alert, or read an article about Dell selling computers with XP preloaded still. Like it or not those little seeds stick and as long as the commercial doesn't become *overwhelmingly* obnoxious it will work.
 
New Ads

Microsoft should do an Ad, Features of both iLife and Leopard are only for Intel Macs, Apple want's users to just buy a new computer...or Leopards cool features like iChat don't even work correctly, or Moving files from your finder to another HD will delete the file, people downgrading to Tiger.

Come on MS, fight back, maybe Apple will actually fix the problems before running new ads next time.
 
I still like "Genius" the best.

"On a scale of 1-10 how much do I loathe Mac?"
"11"
"Oooh, she's good... very good."
 
extensor said:
Why keep throwing consultant out there? There is no consultant in the commercials. :rolleyes:
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Sorry, ads were not posted when I first made the comment. It's been changed to PR lady now, doesn't work with my comment anymore!

Glass house point still stands though, a number of people are having problems with Leopard, some like me have downgraded (or is it upgraded) back to Tiger. It doesn't surprise me that Leopard has its problems, OS's are complex, it's just that I have never experienced any problems before when first adopting a new Apple OS so I was surprised by how many issues I had. I just wouldn't make a commercial that points out my competitors flaws when I have them as well thats all.

Like I said, when its finished I think Leopard will be great. Commercials are funny by the way, in addition to being ironic, but I think that Apple may be losing the high ground with these ones.
 
I would have thought that Apple's sales figures just might offer a hint as to whether this campaign works or not.

Besides. These ads made Bill Gates blow a fuse which also gets a thumbs up from me.
 
puckhead193 said:
i liked the podium one....
i was just wondering that they haven't done a new series of these ads in a while...
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Yeah, personally I like "Choose a Vista".

"Didn't you make this?"

That's the way I feel reading Vista product literature, where it doesn't quite know whether the Vista its referring to does or does NOT have the feature they're describing. It's pathetic. My feeling is "Get Ultimate" and decide whether you need certain features or not later on.

~ CB
 
Yeah, take that, look how awesome Leopard is, whiz-bang...unless you have a 800Mhz Powerbook.

Actually, while it is getting a bit old, I disagree with everyone that Apple should just "show some features." So much of what makes Macs better can't be shown in 20 seconds. People say exposé, but if I'm a PC user I ask, "where is the task bar, can't I just click my tasks?" While the answer is obviously yes, both do the same thing, it is hard to convey to someone that a visual representation is much quicker than reading through labels to see what you want to switch to.

You can't really accurately convey the clean, simple, intuitive features that make Macs great in a commercial. That is what Apple stores do. So you target specific PC groups. People deciding to upgrade to Vista, people who have problems with their PCs, and people who are sick of viruses. These are the potential switchers. They are the one that need to hear that Macs don't have these problems. Just saying, "Hey, look how easy window switching is!" Isn't going to matter to someone who upgraded to Vista and it doesn't work with their printer.

It may come off as snide to a lot of people, even mac users. But for the millions of people who don't want to upgrade to Vista, it hits a perfect nerve.
 
I like those commercials, especially the PR lady one. I find it funny about switching back to XP because there are so many Leopard early adopters who are complaining about going back to Tiger. I'm one of them, but holding out for an update before I officially change my mind.
 
Scary Resemblance

This may have already been notice long ago but, I find that the
"PC Guy" bears resemblance to a young Bill Gates and
"Mac Guy" to a young Steve Jobs.

Very interesting.:rolleyes::apple:
 
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