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Double down my ass.

They will have enough storage options to fill the $0, $99, $199 and so forth price points between the low cost model and 5S, so the 5, 4S and 4 will go away.

Yeah, I'm thinking the same. That all glass 4/4S model must be hard to make and hard to get costs down. I think they will discontinue all the existing models and go with two models, the 5S and the 5C (which will stand for "color" but will really be for "cheap"). Which is too bad since I think a thin 3.5" phone would be better than a 4" model. But this should be fantastic for Apple profits. And good for consumers since the 5C is probably going to be something of a powerhouse, not just a 4S in a larger plastic body. So you get the full iPhone experience in the 5C, but if you want premium material and craftsmanship and the cutting edge fingerprint reader, you have to buy the 5S.
 
500 bucks ?

In China, many buy the phone outright without 1 or 2 year contracts.

Why? Phone numbers are a dime a dozen and people can buy telephone numbers without contracts at any convenience shop or news stand. It's simple.

There ARE contracted telephone numbers, but for many Chinese living in the mainland, they pay a monthly fee (which is dirt cheap) while paying for only what they use (phone and internet time).

So, if those people are looking for a phone, $500 US is very very high.

I thought the 5C would be priced around $300 for the phone. This has "fail" hovering over it.

I work in China and I gotta say, $500 is upper middle class for the Chinese. And those are seriously in the minority of the population in any city in China.

$500....

I'm seriously scratching my head.

Well it's rather simple ... you can't get a highend device for 300$.
You can get a cheap android thingie for 300$ not an iphone quality device.

Apple does not cheap devices. They don't want to do it. They don't NEED to do it
 
The iPhone 4 is three years old. You wouldn't pay the same price for a plastic phone with iPhone 5 specs? Not to mention bigger screen, Siri, and the lightning connector on all new devices sold finally.

The only real innovation from apple was once releasing original iPhone, since then we just witness specs bumps and mass marketing...
 
Ok I'll bite. What exactly are these other companies doing hardware wise that is "innovative" besides making phones with bigger screens?

Facial recognition, touchless operation (hover over display), touch support for gloves for cold climates, waterproofing, wireless charging, NFC, premium sound, IR blaster based TV application support, LTE-A support, etc.

Research is your friend
 
People want REAL innovation, not another variations of the iPhone/iPad

Who exactly are these people you speak of? And how do they define REAL innovation? If Apple allowed people to customize their iPhone case in different colors would that be considered REAL innovation?
 
But why would Apple keep producing the 4S? Seems like one of the major points for the 5C is to eliminate production of that.

They wont. The pricing structure I displayed was only IF they continued down the same road they have been. If you read the rest of the post, I was saying that the new low cost iPhone all the rumors are talking about makes sense only if it replaces the iPhone 4S. I think it would be stupid to still keep the iPhone 4S due to it being the only device sold with the old 30-pin connector and the only device sold with a 3.5" screen. Keeping the 30-pin connector and the differentiating factor of a 3.5" screen doesnt make sense when the only device to have them will be a 2-year old smartphone.
 
Facial recognition, touchless operation (hover over display), touch support for gloves for cold climates, waterproofing, wireless charging, NFC, premium sound, IR blaster based TV application support, LTE-A support, etc.

Research is your friend
That is purchased technology that apple has access to. Show me something in house.
NFC not impressed
IR blaster I hope this is not the future of the living room
Premium sound I'm lost on that one(who has premium sound)?
 
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I like the look of it no doubt, but I wonder if they're just putting the iPhone 4 into a new shell.

Uh, no. This will have an A6 CPU and a 4" display. So they're putting the iPhone 5 (more or less) into a new shell. Meanwhile the 5S will replace the 5 as the premium product.

The question for me is: will it have 4G? Either way, it is going to be a very successful product.
 
Who exactly are these people you speak of? And how do they define REAL innovation? If Apple allowed people to customize their iPhone case in different colors would that be considered REAL innovation?

Exactly. I don't quite know what everyone keeps thinking in terms of innovation. Some think internal some think external. To me, I'm quite happy with a phone that runs the apps I want it to (anything available in the App store), holds what I need it to hold, stands up to a little bit of use (doesn't randomly bend in a pocket), and so forth. I can't even tell you the specs of my iPad or iPhone without looking them up, tbh.

It is not that I am not technologically inclined or curious, I just happen to know both sides of the fence enough to know that I choose Apple. I don't want to design a phone myself, frankly.

With all of the choices we have for phones, spending so much time bitching about one is silly.
 
Facial recognition, touchless operation (hover over display), touch support for gloves for cold climates, waterproofing, wireless charging, NFC, premium sound, IR blaster based TV application support, LTE-A support, etc.

Research is your friend

Facial recognition is useless on android in most cases. You can do facial recognition by software but unless it works much better than it does now, apple will not add it. And thats good.

Touchless operation on the other side works but is an artificial feature.
You don't need to distinct between hovering and taping if your ui works.
You only need it if you are a bad developer who thinks in desktop world for his app or if you are a marketing specialist who needs a feature.

touch support for gloves -> theoretical great, practical does not work so good in many real life situations. Problem here is the reduced resolution and exactness. You would have to modify the ui to make all elements bigger to ensure a good hit. Unless touchsupport for glove has same resolution it's not working perfect enough. But i agree, this is something nice to have basically.

wireless charging please no. Not with the current implementations.
First -> it takes way more power than wired charging. It also takes way longer. You also have to align your phone, make the phone heavier, limit your material choices, need additional shielding. For a gimmicky feature which is on ios not a real problem.
WHY wireless charging ? Because fidling with the plug is bad.
But with lightning there is no fidling. No this direction is right or wrong, or hard to hit hole (because of rounded plug). It is as fast as laying it on a mat.
But works faster and uses less power.
For Android i agree, using this ****** miniusb or microusb connectors is really pain in the ass.

NFC no thanks.
NFC is far to insecure right now, it isn't by any means a mainstream feature because of different protocols.
Why NFC if you have stuff like wifidirect for more secure pairing, wich also has much faster data transfer rates and is far more universal usable ?

Premium sound ... i would like to have no sound in all phones worldwide. Please use headphones for the sake of all the people in your surrounding.
There is nothing worse than driving in the train having multiple smartphones playing music with maximum power because people don't use headphones.
Yes better sound is possible as htc one shows.
BUT it is a feature i really really really hope for mankind will not be added to iphone. Just to have a little less noisy world.

IPhone has nearly since ios2.0 apps for ir remote. Add a small led to your headphone plug, finished.
But do you know whats much better ? use wifi solutions, so you don't need direct line of sight. Existing also since ios 2.0

LTE-A Support is useless for a phone right now if 90% of the network doesn't use it. Concentrate on whats used and existing, not on what could be existing in 3 or 4 years because then you have a new phone.
 
Well, if they are pricing it like the iPhone 4 (current price) I don't see this as an "emerging markets" phone as analysts predicted. This isn't going to put a dent on the <$200 phones that are popular in those markets.

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why shiny plastic? seems so yesterday, give me matt finishes

It is interesting, especially with what they are currently doing with iOS7, isn't it?
 
So, if those people are looking for a phone, $500 US is very very high.

I thought the 5C would be priced around $300 for the phone. This has "fail" hovering over it.

I work in China and I gotta say, $500 is upper middle class for the Chinese. And those are seriously in the minority of the population in any city in China.

$500....

I'm seriously scratching my head.

It may be misreported. My own guess was $450 or less US pricing, nothing over what they charge for the 4 today. I suspect even today the iphone 4 is reasonably popular due to its price.

Honestly Apple, if this is innovation, then I really have nothing to say... You must have run out of ideas. Be prepared for further erosion of the share of your smartphone market by the likes of Samsung, HTC, LG, Motorola, and Sony.

Yeah none of those companies have ever done anything interesting:rolleyes:.

I honestly think this iPhone is for Emerging markets, may not even be sold in the US. :)

How would that even make sense? The suggested price range means it would probably displace the use of older models. It's not truly cheap unless you look at up front costs on a subsidized plan. Looking at prepaid brands and T-mobile, I wonder what percentage really buy the phones that start over $600.
 
Facial recognition, touchless operation (hover over display), touch support for gloves for cold climates, waterproofing, wireless charging, NFC, premium sound, IR blaster based TV application support, LTE-A support, etc.

Research is your friend

Well if the masses want all that its amazing Apple sells any iPhones at all. I don't think NFC or wireless charging is missing from the iPhone because Apple doesn't know how to innovate. Apple has never been the one with the most features. And never really been the one to do something first. Maybe their model of not throwing stuff at the wall to see what sticks (at least not doing it in the public market place) is wrong, but its certainly not new.
 
It depends on what's inside. So far I'm liking what I see externally but it all depends on screen quality and cpu/gpu performance.

U like what you see? its a white rectangle with an apple symbol on it.

And wheres the sim tray slot?
 
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Uh, no. This will have an A6 CPU and a 4" display. So they're putting the iPhone 5 (more or less) into a new shell. Meanwhile the 5S will replace the 5 as the premium product.

The question for me is: will it have 4G? Either way, it is going to be a very successful product.

I am guessing that it will not; that helps create the market differentiation. It should also lower the cost of the device a bit (simpler RF electronics, a worldwide single SKU with a penta-band design unlike LTE which requires multiple SKUs to cover the world of LTE services).
 
We have been patiently waiting for over nine months for a new product release from Apple. How proud they must be to give us last years model in cheap plastic. Apple is amazing.

It's interesting how people think Apple really cares about them individually. I keep hearing people saying "will you buy the iPhone 5S? I won't. It's the same iPhone 5!". LOL. iPhone 5S will sell like crazy, because guess what? there are other people in the world besides you who will buy it. Just because a bunch of pissed off iPhone 5 users will boycott, doesn't mean it will make any difference.

As for waiting 9 months for a new product ... didn't you get it yet? Apple makes one good phone and then upgrades it. They've been doing this for 4 years now, hello ...

As for "cheap plastic", how do you know if it's cheap or not? have you used it?
 
We have been patiently waiting for over nine months for a new product release from Apple. How proud they must be to give us last years model in cheap plastic. Apple is amazing.

Love it. Apple can't win. "iPhone is too expensive – they need a cheaper one to get into more markets so they can stop the rapid adoption on android overseas..." – they make a redesigned phone meant to be more affordable to buy out-right and the response is... the quote above. Damn, people... if you get so bent out of shape about phones and their product cycles – maybe tech news isn't for you. Especially if you can't figure out that apple will also be releasing a 5S of non-plastic (most likely cosmetically identical to the current 5, so shell leaks are useless). Also, what makes you think it has "last years model's" innards? They could very well have new components but lower powered, who knows.
 
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