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I know this probably has been said a thousand times, but a 5400rpm drive? In a high end, 1800€ computer?

This has to be the worst joke of 2015.


I don't think they plan on selling many of these so they gotta make sure the margins are insanely high. How do
You do that? Charge about $300 extra for a good drive and make sure users can't upgrade on their own.
 
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I just bought all 3 new accessories, deliver tomorrow on my birthday :)

And remember, at least £15 of each item price is a lightning cable lol
 
This forum is full of conjecture regarding what Steve Jobs would or would not do if he were still here.

I'll say this though.. I don't think Macs would be using HDD if he were here. Steve made sure that Apple was the early adopter of computer companies; to the point many people complained about it. All the Mickey Mouse penny pinching moves weren't his style.

Steve Jobs would say if it's too expensive for you, buy something else.
 
Why are people so agitated about the new keyboard and/or mouse, like they're forced to use them?

Why not just, you know, buy something else like I did?

Oh, it came with your iMac but you don't want it? Sell 'em.


Yea that's what I did when I got mine last version. They suck for gaming as well as any other power using any ways. The cool thing is Apple users will pay a ton for them so win - win.
 
Some good moves like the charging via USB, long over due but 2 big complaints. Still no full size wireless KB and the mouse has its charging port underneath? Really why not put it out the front where a traditional wired lead comes from so you can use the mouse while it changes? Back to the KB, why no full size wireless KB and have they upgraded the wired KB? I really hope it hasn't been dropped.
 
Is nobody aware that the larger a hard drive is, the less important the RPM's are? Oh wait, I forgot where I am...lots of people who know less than they think they do.
 
Does the keyboard have backlighting?

Why is Apple still using a 5400 rpm drive?
In Jony Ive voice:
"We used 5400 rpm drive because it is beautifully, painfully slow. We meticulously picked the slowest hard drive available on the market, so while working at your new amazing iMac with gorgeous 27" screen you always could have some time to think about universe and the meaning of life."
 
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You assume it to be linear, but I seriously doubt it is. Generally batteries charge on a curve, like this (I know this chart is for a capacitor, not a battery, but I believe batteries charge similarly for the same reasons - current decreases as the voltage difference drops):

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For LiIon batteries, it's usually a two phase charge: constant current, then constant voltage. Current in is roughly proportional to capacity (leaving aside losses, yadda, yadda). So for the constant current phase, capacity increases linearly with charge time, but in the constant voltage phase, it no longer does.

Modern LiIon chargers are a science in themselves but as a rough estimate you can assume linear for the first half of the charge cycle or so, then an exponential fall off.

Charge-Cycle-Li-Ion-Battery.jpg
 
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I hope you will vote with your wallet and buy a Sanyo windows machine. That'll show 'em...

Precisely what I did ... well, not a Sanyo but I went from a crash-happy 2013 Mac Pro to a rock-solid monster of a Dell Precision Workstation. It's more expandable, far more powerful and much better supported by third-party developers. The Mac Pro looked better, used less power and Logic Pro was nice, but having a stable machine that's actually expandable is an absolute breath of fresh air. I've been a Mac user since 1985 when I bought my first "Fat Mac" but I simply cannot stand the direction Apple is taking: they're still great consumer machines but as professional tools they just can't hold a candle to a modern Windows workstation. The company desperately needs another Steve Jobs, 'cause Tim Cook isn't cutting it (yes, of course I know how much money Apple's earning but I think the comments about Apple making bank at any cost to the user base (5400RPM drives? REALLY?!?) say it better than I ever could.
 
It's somewhat disingenuous a comparison though.

They say that the processor is thousands of times faster, but in reality, there is not much difference in speed for most people. Word processing is much the same as it was back in 1998. It's really only those who work with video/graphics or play games that have seen significant improvement.

Re storage: they say that storage is 750 times greater, yet the max storage of 3TB hasn't changed for several years. If storage had doubled each year, we would now be seeing 7,864TB being offered for the high-end iMac. :) That's going on 60GB in 1998.

It's actually surprising how little computers have changed in the past twenty years. Really, the big improvement has been in phones and tablets.

What an iconic design that first iMac was, though. I still own one from 2001. And really, that iMac was what started Apple's revival off. Thank you, Steve Jobs and Jony Ive.
 
It's somewhat disingenuous a comparison though.

They say that the processor is thousands of times faster, but in reality, there is not much difference in speed for most people. Word processing is much the same as it was back in 1998. It's really only those who work with video/graphics or play games that have seen significant improvement.

Re storage: they say that storage is 750 times greater, yet the max storage of 3TB hasn't changed for several years. If storage had doubled each year, we would now be seeing 7,864TB being offered for the high-end iMac. :) That's going on 60GB in 1998.

It's actually surprising how little computers have changed in the past twenty years. Really, the big improvement has been in phones and tablets.

What an iconic design that first iMac was, though. I still own one from 2001. And really, that iMac was what started Apple's revival off. Thank you, Steve Jobs and Jony Ive.

This.

The bottom line is, you could put a Xeon server chip in those iMacs but it wouldn't matter because everything's being bottlenecked by the HDD.

That graphics statistic on the site is BS too. It's like coming out and saying "Hey! my car has double the horsepower of my old car!" but I'm forgetting to mention that I'm not hauling 3x the cargo load of the previous car with me (OS sparkly stuff and what not).
 
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To summarise. Five years ago Apple kit, Apple OS and IOS was easily five years ahead of the competition. Now. Five years later it's starting to lose the advantage due to stagnation and no longer the market leader. A premium price is fine for a premium product but the competition has caught up. After being a confirmed iPhone user since the 3 - I've now swapped over to a Galaxy S6. Which exceeds hardware of the 6S and for 30% less cost with O2 after discounts. Loyalty works both ways. My Pad. Computer. Phone. All Apple. Now it's Android phone and possibly back to Windows as even Microsoft, like Samsung are innovating more. Apple has to quickly start leading again before it's too late. You've heard it all before. But after using this Samsung (as are many of my friends now) I'm not missing the Apple 'it just works' boast any more. It does still just work. But just a tad boring and retrograde. And I never thought Id hear myself ever say that of Apple :( But for the past couple of years all they're releasing is resized IOS stuff (the Watch), sharper displays and quicker processors and still at premium prices compared to their competitors but folks are catching on and ... well... let's get refocused and start innovating again, eh? Good. Sorted. Fine. Done. :apple:
 
"Magic accessories are also only compatible with Macs running OS X 10.11 or later."

Pathetic. There is absolutely no reason to create intentional incompatibility. These devices should work fine with any "PC" - Win, Mac, Linux if the OS & hardware support bluetooth 4.0.

1990's Apple called - they want their management back.
 
Waiting waiting waiting...

- thunderbolt 3 ports, WITH usb 3.1 v2 10gbit, on same style connector.

- new design MBP – soooo bored of current one.

- minimum skylake MBP.

- oh, and 5K external flipping displays – with tbolt 3 on ta boot!

Come on, happen already, oh mystical technical sky lords.
 
Is nobody aware that the larger a hard drive is, the less important the RPM's are? Oh wait, I forgot where I am...lots of people who know less than they think they do.

When you say larger, I think you mean in terms of physical size. It's true that at the edge of a larger circle, RPMs translate into faster speeds (that's why you have to have your speedometer re-calibrated when you move to different size tires). However, a 1TB 5400RPM drive is just as fast (or as slow) as a 500GB 5400RPM drive in the same form factor. It's indisputable that a 5400RPM drive is much slower than even a 7200RPM drive when it comes to read and write speeds.

If we want to really nit pick, this is particularly egregious when we consider that prior to 2012, iMacs had 3.5" hard drives. And 7200RPM speeds. So, the new 2015 iMacs are doubly cursed: smaller platters, and slower speeds.

What's that you said about people who know less than they think they know?
 
You might be happy with it, I know I would, but the unwashed masses in general don't have an appreciation for how much an SSD impacts overall system performance. All they understand is the size of hard drives, and on the surface 1TB to 256GB standard would look like a major step down.
I think you underestimate the masses. SSD's have been out for quite a while, most people buy notebooks or Macbooks or PC's with SSD's in them. If you don't know a SSD from a HDD then you certainly aren't wise enough to know you whether you need 1TB or 256GB. People of that caliber don't compare like that.
 
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