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But who's doing the pushing? Apple stores generally stock only base model computers. In my experience, their staff doesn't push you to choose upgrades when that results in placing an order instead of walking out with a new machine. Because if you actually go into the store in person, the ideal experience is to leave with a product. Not place an order. You'd have done that from home.

And online, the store doesn't pressure you into upgrading. It's just there as an option. And if you're not somewhat technically inclined, you probably have no clue how badly you might need a particular upgrade.

Either way, your average consumer ends up buying whatever Apple's base model is. They just don't know any better. They trust Apple to sell them a nice computer, and therein lies the problem.

Apple's base model computer is a frustrating piece of ****. Mavericks was slightly tolerable on a spinning disk, but Yosemite (and I can only assume El Capitan) is horrid. It accesses the disk too often, in ways that force the user to wait until it's done. Without an SSD, all you do is wait. Frequently. Getting madder. Cursing Apple's crappy products, telling your friends and family that the Apple prestige is bologna. All because they don't default to SSD which yields a night and day user experience difference.

I'll be sure to be more specific next time to denote when my comment is regarding a strategic decision to drive upgrades/BTO/CTO type sales, rather than simply drive sales.
 
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I love to be able to slip in new batteries and use the trackpad and keyboard asap.
Thanks, but no, thanks.
This. I'll be using my current wireless keyboard and trackpad with my Mac Mini. The Batteries in the keyboard easily last me 9-12 months and the trackpad, about six months. I like being able to swap out the batteries and be done. I don't want to be tied to a cable for a while.
 
I wonder if the Magic Trackpad will bring Force Touch capability to Macs that didn't have it before? I have a 2014 MacBook Pro with Retina display and would like to see if that's a possibility
 
Close- the math works out to about 1 hour every 10 seconds / 6 hours every minute.

You assume it to be linear, but I seriously doubt it is. Generally batteries charge on a curve, like this (I know this chart is for a capacitor, not a battery, but I believe batteries charge similarly for the same reasons - current decreases as the voltage difference drops):

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I have no idea how people use the magic mouse. It is the least ergonomic thing I have held.

I think there's 2 camps. Those who grip a mouse like they are rock climbing (ie: PC gaming mouses), and those who hold it between their thumb and ring finger. I'm in the second camp. While the edges probably don't need to be a sharp angle, I think ergonomic wise it's fine, especially considering the touch part.
 
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I'm not buying an iMac for at least another year. At some point the price points on SSD will have to be more acceptable. Plus, I will wait until Skylake makes it the 21".
Every release I think "surely they ditch the 5400 RPM hard drive as the base device". Again, disappointed.
My mid-2010 27" runs fine for what I do but it's getting a little long in the tooth.
 
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5,400 RPM 1TB Hard Drive on 4K iMac -- The new 21.5-inch 4K iMac's standard configuration for $1,499 includes a 5,400 RPM 1TB Serial ATA hard drive, which is considered long obsolete for a 2015 desktop computer. Upgrades to a 1TB or 2TB Fusion Drive are available for $100 and $300 respectively.

Which is exactly the same drive as the Bondi iMac, but bigger. You could chuck a bigger SSD in a Bondi iMac if you wanted (probably not as big or as fast, but it's a point that Apple hasn't completely chucked out 5.400 RPM h/d's) ;)

IMO the big difference is that the new machine uses an Intel CPU and that screen technology has improved greatly (oh and the new one runs OS X by default). Other that that, I don't think anything THAT revolutionary has happened.
 
Wait, the Trackpad 2 requires Bluetooth 4.0? Was literally in the store today ready to buy one. Guess my 2010 MacBook Pro is really becoming a dinosaur in Apple's eyes. Sigh......:confused:
 
Couldn't even keep the 128GB SSD in fusion drive, had to cut all the way down to 24GB for a few extra bucks. Sucking pennies dry like this at the expense of user experience is why I'm beginning to dislike Apple.
Well they did give 1.6 Million dollars to charity, they have to get that back somehow.
 
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Why, on earth, would these machines come standard with a 5,400 RPM hard drive? That essentially mandates an upgrade to a Fusion drive, which now is limited to only 24GB SSD unless you go up to the 2TB Fusion Drive. It seems like a lot of upgrading just to get some decent speed performance.

It's SO weird my mid 2010 21.5 iMac has a 500GB 7200 RPM drive and it is over 5 years old?!

So keep it. Doesn't seem like the Magic Mouse 2 is a big upgrade.

I agree. I was hoping for TouchID on next Magic Mouse...
 
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I have to say I'm a little disappointed in the 21.5" iMac update. I was waiting for the new machines to be released as my current machine is showing its age but you're looking at 1800 to 2000 to get a machine with a reasonable spec. The storage choices in particular do seem a little mediocre and it's a shame that only the 27" machines get Skylake. The disappointing specs have turned an almost guaranteed upgrade into a maybe at best. Shame. I was looking forward to these machines. There's just nothing compelling about these updates.
 
While I'm not leaving the Apple ecosystem, I really do hope Windows 10 and the Surface/Windows products gain some momentum.

Would be nice as an Apple consumer to see Apple fighting off competition again and feeling Microsoft at it's heels - a little too complacent as it stands.

This comes to mind again:

(section 1:21:00h - 1:22:10h)

Link to video - start and end time stamped
(Also see my thread on this: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/two-years-ago-tim-cook-said-this.1804744/)

Glassed Silver:mac

Good lord, I find Cook pretty decent as a spokesperson but what a load of hot air there, you could see him struggling through that (plus realising he's having to dig himself out of the potential hole claiming Apple consumers would willingly continue to purchase products regardless of quality)
 
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Weird update!

I suspect that the Broadwell delay (without a corresponding push back on Skylake) has really stuffed things up. Some of the Broadwell chips were only released a few months ago and now people are screaming for Skylake.

So far Apple still only has one computer that supports USB-C.

Also, Thunderbolt 3 laptops are starting to appear from Dell et. al. - TB3 shares the same port as USB-C.

So, the Skylake chips for the 27" are out (so it could have had Thunderbolt 3/USB-C) but the 21.5" is stuck on Broadwell (so it could have USB-C but not TB3). I guess they didn't want a hodge-podge of TB 2 USB-C/TB3 and USB-C only machines in their new line. Personally, if I was going to shell out for a new iMac I'd prefer to have TB3 and put up with adapters now than not be able to use TB3 in the future. TB3/USB-C is also the key to potentially being able to have external 5k displays ...but then USB-C supports 5k by using DisplayPort 1.3, while TB3 does it with two DP 1.2 links multiplexed over Thunderbolt, and doesn't support DP1.3 so who knows how that's all going to work out on a combined connector?

Methinks everything is a bit fouled up.

As for the 5400rpm disc drive debacle - I can only assume its due to heating (then why make the iMac so thin in the first place?) and a desire for customers to see "TB" on the entry-level model. There may also be some business/institutional buyers who won't touch SSD. The 24GB thing just seems like pure meanness to avoid a 'cheap' 127GB SSD option.

Personally, if I get an iMac I'd pony up for an all-SSD one anyway, so that one's a bit irrelevant.
 
Then and Now -- Apple has published a new "Then and Now" page that compares the 1998 iMac G3 with the 2015 iMac, showing the progress that has been made over the past 17 years. The new iMac has 14 million more pixels, 62,000 times faster graphics, 366 times more processing power, 1,000 times more RAM and 750 times more storage.


Apple forgot to add that the storage is as slow as the 17 years old iMac!!!
 
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I will upgrading my trackpad. I like the larger area and the Force Touch. Really find 3D Touch useful on my iPhone, so I'm looking forward to the same with the MTP 2. Not really bothered about the rechargeable aspect as I have rechargeable batteries in my current Magic Mouse and trackpad.

Mouse I won't be upgrading. I have the MM and only use it for photo, video, audio editing and this isn't something I do everyday.

I prefer the full size Apple keyboard (which I really like) so won't be upgrading my keyboard, can't understand the need for a wireless keyboard when the keyboard won't be moving off my desk.

I love to be able to slip in new batteries and use the trackpad and keyboard asap.

You can use the new keyboard and trackpad while charging apparently.
 
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