And funnily enough, according to the Buyer's Guide, iMac refreshes do NOT tend to be released in May-June. One release in May does not justify a pattern
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And funnily enough, according to the Buyer's Guide, iMac refreshes do NOT tend to be released in May-June. One release in May does not justify a pattern
So going by buyers guide this current iMac looks like it will be the longest cycle for a refresh,since the 2008 iMac which was 309 days longest cycle before. Presuming we we don't get a refresh in marc/next few day (very unlikely). the current iMac will beat that easy. New iMac will be here within 2 months from march 1st. IMO
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? what are you talking about
the "core i5" nomenclature has been around since 2009
2009 - Lynnfield
2010 - Clarkdale
2011 - Sandy Bridge (quad cores were released in January, dual cores in February)
2012 - Ivy Bridge
well i guess it does depend if you are talking strictly "mobile" processors
I believe the first mobile i5 was Arrandale in 2010, but i5 desktop processors were around a year earlier. I know, it gets confusing, people think all i5's are the same, when in reality some are dual core, some quad, different clock speeds, different architectures (arrandale, sandybridge, ivybridge)
The architecture an i5 was built on is a lot more telling of info than Intel Core i5 or Core i7... which really means nothing!
i mean you guys can keep thinking it MIGHT come out on march 7, or you can read, look at the facts, and realize that there is absolutely NO WAY that we will see a refresh that soon
what facts should i look at? the fact that ivy bridge will be released on march 6th with mass availability in april? or the fact that in 13 days imacs will be overdue for the longest time since 2008 update? or the fact that macbooks were 'updated' in october so there is no sense in updating them earlier than imacs (and the fact that dual-core IB is delayed)? or the fact that you cannot base your prediction on time between imac refreshes and hardware availability? only resource we have is buyers guide
the fact remains, we will see imacs in april at latest. i think imacs in march makes more sense than in may.
but the bottom line is, youre all waiting for the wrong thing
you should all be waiting for amd/nvidia mobile graphics cards
my bet is on nvidia
i7 as standard, maybe?
I'm hoping that the next top end iMac will have an i7 as standard; does anyone think that that might happen? My 2009 24 inch died before Christmas, and I'm limping along with my MBAI don't want to special order.
I'm hoping that the next top end iMac will have an i7 as standard; does anyone think that that might happen? My 2009 24 inch died before Christmas, and I'm limping along with my MBAI don't want to special order.
I just paid £880 for my iMac through the education website as I got bored of waiting for the new iMac and have not upgraded since the 2006 iMac which is now running rather slow so am I right to not be worried that I won't have USB3.0 or any of the other mentioned possbilities of upgrades?
Just decided that I have work to do that finishes in June and I couldn't cope with doing it on my current iMac so waiting for the updated models would mean my work will be pretty much finished by the time it comes out and I might not use it as much as I am at the moment.
Yeah that's different, that's work you are using your machine everyday. I've seen countless posts from people with 2009, and 2010 smoothly working iMac's. 2006 to 2011 is a BIG jump that you will be loving for years time come. I should have been been more clear and less ignorant
Didn't mean that to come across as having a moan so apologies. Decided to upgrade the mac a few weeks ago and kept looking through all the posts on here and kept deciding to wait for the new model, and then deciding to just get the latest one now. In the end, as you said, I just decided that the latest model is going to be such a change from the 2006 model I currently have that I'm really not worried if the new one comes out in a few months and is radically different and better in every way than the one I will be getting on Thursday.
If it's that much of an upgrade then I could always sell the iMac and pay a little extra to get the refreshed model.
Still got the original iPad and have no inclination to upgrade that to the iPad 3 as it does everything I want it to do at the moment so maybe that'll be like my iMac update and I won't get a new iPad until the iPad 5/6 comes out and finally makes me realise I should upgrade.
Ouch.. that would almost be a deal breaker.
+ nVidia has always equaled bad news.Ouch.. that would almost be a deal breaker.
when?
http://gizmodo.com/5061605/apple-co...-macbook-pros-offers-free-repairs-and-refunds
http://jimmitchell.org/2010/07/03/macbook-pro-nvidia-recall-extended/
http://doesntexistat.blogspot.com/2011/03/apple-please-fix-your-nvidia-drivers.html
http://apple.slashdot.org/story/11/08/04/2118220/os-x-lion-ships-with-faulty-nvidia-drivers
http://forums.luxology.com/discussion/topic.aspx?id=58242
It's "common knowledge" among Mac gamers that the nVidia drivers are of low quality and deliver much worse performance than the hardware is capable of. But I failed to find a decent article on it in the few minutes I spent looking.
well, thats great...
but i'll be an optimist, personally im hoping for nvidia because consensus all over the internet is that kepler is beating amds hands down in every department, especially the mobile ones, and constant reports that 2012 is the year of nvidia in notebooks. im hoping apple and nvidia have learned something from their previous fiasco cooperation
What he said. I could have never waited for my iMac. I'm happy I got mine when I did which I'm figuring is about halfway through the pattern.
Don't wait.
I posted this in another thread but I think it is pretty relevant to your comment about not waiting and a misunderstanding why we are so interested in IB.
I think the main point people need to realize for those of us waiting for iMacs is that the processor is actually a minor factor. However, Apple will not be releasing new iMacs without a new processor so it's arrival is highly anticipated.
For the vast majority of users, the current Sandy Bridge processors are more than enough power, that is true, but there are a number of issues holding people back from buying such as:
- Outdated SATA technology
- Lower cost and/or higher speed and/or more storage options for SSDs
- Upgraded GPUs
- USB 3.0
- Bluetooth 4.0
On top of these factors, there are few other important things to consider:
First, as the developer preview of Mountain Lion highlights, as the years go on, OSs will continue to leave older machines behind. Those buying iMacs today will have full year less with their machines being compatible than those waiting a few more months (essentially adding a year to the life of the upgrade path for their new machine). I.E. (with hypothetical years) an iMac bought today will be unsupported by the OS in 2016 while if you wait a mater of a few months, the 2012 iMac will not lose support until 2017. (Waiting a few months to gain a year of support).
Second, an iMac today will cost significantly less than that same iMac bought in a few months. If those of us who don't want/need the new features wait a few months, we can save hundreds of dollars off of new and refurbished 2011 models. Waiting makes financial sense.
Finally, the iMac for many of us will be a long term machine. While 6Gbps vs. 3Gbps SATA and USB 2.0 vs. 3.0 and an AMD 6970M vs. 6990M are not HUGE differences today, they may play more of a role in 5 years.
As always, if you need a computer now, buy now, but, if you can wait until a refresh, I think your patience will pay off in the long run.
i mean you guys can keep thinking it MIGHT come out on march 7, or you can read, look at the facts, and realize that there is absolutely NO WAY that we will see a refresh that soon
But dude! My mom said that is was fur sur......
Really, so Ivy Bridge is going to be released in 2 weeks? Do you have a link on that?
And why would you base it off of time since the last refresh? You think apple says, OMG we average a release every x ammount of days, and we are about to be past that. We better throw something together and release an update!! NO that is not how it works... if you think it is then don't even bother to reply.
Like I said, Apple can't release an update if they don't have updated hardware. Releases are much more inline with hardware updates than some figmented "release" schedule on a forum buyers guide.
Really, so Ivy Bridge is going to be released in 2 weeks? Do you have a link on that?
And why would you base it off of time since the last refresh? You think apple says, OMG we average a release every x ammount of days, and we are about to be past that. We better throw something together and release an update!! NO that is not how it works... if you think it is then don't even bother to reply.
Like I said, Apple can't release an update if they don't have updated hardware. Releases are much more inline with hardware updates than some figmented "release" schedule on a forum buyers guide.
I think you misunderstood. First, the link you are looking for is this:
http://www.itproportal.com/2012/02/06/intel-ivy-bridge-be-officially-launched-march-6th/
What beosound3200 (I believe) is getting at is the combination of rumors about IB availability and use of the buyers guide. No one is suggesting Apple can put out computers without the hardware, but the buyers guide is a helpful tool (not a magic ball) that can at least help you see when that hardware was available to Apple in the past.
I am not sure if I would go so far as saying March is more likely than May, but I would definitely bet on April-May over June-July.
Really, so Ivy Bridge is going to be released in 2 weeks? Do you have a link on that?
And why would you base it off of time since the last refresh? You think apple says, OMG we average a release every x ammount of days, and we are about to be past that. We better throw something together and release an update!! NO that is not how it works... if you think it is then don't even bother to reply.
Like I said, Apple can't release an update if they don't have updated hardware. Releases are much more inline with hardware updates than some figmented "release" schedule on a forum buyers guide.
logos327 sums it up pretty good, ill just explain myself a little bit more
for example, sandy bridge was released in January and imacs came out in may. what you were saying, if i did understand you correct, is that basically you conclude from the past that new imacs will come out when ivy bridge comes out + another 4-5 months, and i think thats wrong. a lot of people think that way. what i think, and logos327 understands me, is that apple does have 'average' release days between products, every decent company has, its called buyers respect. of course they cant release a product without new hardware, but in this case, given that imacs will be long overdue, theyll make an effort to release them as soon as possible. what i think is impossible is that all of a sudden time between refreshes is more than a year when its been, since 2008, 280 days on average. buyers guide exists for a reason. and it offers correct prediction (+/- 30 days) most of the time, especially in imacs case.
to prove yourself wrong, just look up on google past releases of intel processors and imacs, and their relation. then look at the buyers guide. if you have just a tiny bit of brain with cognitive functions, you will come to the conclusion that apple does indeed have 'average' number of days between releases, especially in imacs case. if they didnt, imac would come out in february with sandy bridge macbook pros, and dont give me that 'they dont wanna steal the spotlight', they have released a lot of hardware together.
That is not a confirmed release date, the title even has a question mark at the end, come on now.
And if you go back, I said that they are likely to be out at the end of April/ early May. The only thing I was saying is there is pretty much no way that new iMacs will be released on March 7, like the title suggests, and all of these people saying that it can happen because apple gets access to intel parts before everyone else.. absolutely ridiculous and not true.
And i'm not saying the buyers guide isn't useful, but to say that it's more reliable to look at a buyers guide that says, it's been "x" days since the last refresh than looking at when intel or amd/nvidia are releasing their latest hardware. Apple doesn't use a release schedule on a certain amount of days or months, they have to have hardware to upgrade so for anyone to think we will see an update before ivy bridge, you are crazy to be honest. You think apple is going to release some half refresh with the same processors as last year because OMG, it's been 15 days past our normal refresh cycle... NO THAT'S NOT HOW IT WORKS!!!!
And also, mbp's really weren't refreshed at the end of the year. It was more of a price drop/restructure and they added one new CPU to the highest end BTO option, so I am still doubting we will see an iMac refresh before a MBP refresh.
^^ beosound3200....
I didn't say that hardware definitely coincides with a refresh, but in this circumstance, it's much more predictable than a buyers guide.
iMac was refreshed on July 27, 2010. When sandy bridge was released in january, it would have been a very short refresh cycle, so it makes sense for apple to wait until May to release a new refresh. However, in February, apple DID release a refresh to the macbook pros with Sandy bridge.
Still don't see any evidence that apple is going to release the imac update before the mbp update...
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Look at it this way:
The buyer's guide tells you what Apple would like to do. Hardware availability tells you what they will actually do. They can't make a new device appear out of mid-air if their suppliers aren't ready, no matter how much they would like to.
Someone should run some standard deviations on the buyer's guide to get a better sense. Look at the Mac Mini numbers.. they're all over the place. They were ~230 a couple years in a row, then jumped to 400. Mac Pro is consistently seeing longer periods, from 280 to 420 to 510, and has already passed the previous record by over 10%. iPod Classic was roughly every year.. until suddenly it wasn't.
The buyer's guide is a great history lesson, but ultimately a poor predictor.