Alll design is a compromise. I prefer the compromise that maximizes performance. Why suffer with a bad video camera when a harmless, though not pretty, notch makes the parts work better?
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I had this kind of camera in a Dell XPS13. the angle is terrible for video calls.
indeed apple is pretty innovativ and maybe the will eliminate the notch in the future. But at the end, the notch is part of the menu bar. What I really miss is Face-ID.
This is why arguing is pointless. We finally get a form follows function reset to deliver a truly pro machine and some are stuck solely on the form.
plus they took away USBC ports. Now all of them are on one side. 🤦🏾♂️
I never thought I would never say this but Johnny Ives was mostly right minus the touch bar. 😳🥺
Are they?.........
I think we all need to sit down with these new laptops and make our own minds up on if we are happy or not.
However building up decisions in our minds in terms of if the notch is really bad, will sway our experience when initially using the laptops. I am keeping an open mind as sometimes when I do get something from Apple that I have thought was a little odd, I love it.
the notch probably won't be so bad. maybe the black keyboard deck is worse, maybe MagSafe instead of USB charging, maybe the chunkiness, maybe the rounded bezel at the top and square at the bottom
Change is good, and we need to adapt to move forward.
Looks like two on one side and one on the other to me. And if you like the outgoing gen, you’re ok with dongles to get that port back if you really need it.
Whether for branding reasons (instant recognition) or thinner bezels, the notch is just terrible. That said, I probably could get used to it.
Given that Apple decided to go with it, I think their implementation is well-thought out.
For those who want to always hide the notch, there is compatibly mode. For those okay with the notch, they’ll be able to make use of the newer screen area where the menu will reside. In both modes, the 16:10 viewing area should still be usable.
Menu height is taller than notch height - makes sense given the rounded notch bottom corners. Anything shorter (especially with a non-black menu) will make the left/right menus have ugly curvy tails or allow the notch to encroach on viewing area. By having the two menu regions connected under the notch, it signals better that there is some occlusion there. Also what happens if the notch becomes smaller in future, would that mean having to accommodate for newer menu heights again? That’s a lot of effort if we’re in a transitional period and the notch eventually disappears altogether.
Bottom screen has straight corners. Makes sense when using compatibility mode, otherwise flat top with rounded bottom would look weird.
Bottom bezel/black area not so thin. Makes sense for better balancing with top bezel in compatibility mode. Big black chin? Okay. Big black forehead? Eek.
The notch really is an aesthetic disaster but in the context of what these powerful laptops are now offering (and Apple providing a compatibility mode), it not’s all bad.
These laptops really could have been an epic unveiling, but oh well.
Given that Apple decided to go with it, I think their implementation is well-thought out.
For those who want to always hide the notch, there is compatibly mode. For those okay with the notch, they’ll be able to make use of the newer screen area where the menu will reside. In both modes, the 16:10 viewing area should still be usable.
Menu height is taller than notch height - makes sense given the rounded notch bottom corners. Anything shorter (especially with a non-black menu) will make the left/right menus have ugly curvy tails or allow the notch to encroach on viewing area. By having the two menu regions connected under the notch, it signals better that there is some occlusion there. Also what happens if the notch becomes smaller in future, would that mean having to accommodate for newer menu heights again? That’s a lot of effort if we’re in a transitional period and the notch eventually disappears altogether.
Bottom screen has straight corners. Makes sense when using compatibility mode, otherwise flat top with rounded bottom would look weird.
Bottom bezel/black area not so thin. Makes sense for better balancing with top bezel in compatibility mode. Big black chin? Okay. Big black forehead? Eek.
The notch really is an aesthetic disaster but in the context of what these powerful laptops are now offering (and Apple providing a compatibility mode), it not’s all bad.
These laptops really could have been an epic unveiling, but oh well.
100%. Thank you.
People whining about thickness (which even isn't the case at all), whining about ports (which improved the situation for like 90% of all users), whining about the notch digging into the screen (which actually does the opposite, giving additional space left + right)... seriously, calm down. Buy an Air, then you have it in super-thin with just 2x TB and no notch at all. Everyone else who have been waiting for years for the return of the Pro can finally rejoice. Over 20 pages alone in this thread with so much hating and nonsense. You can never please some people.
I love this new 14" beast. Desktop-power in a portable device made of aluminum, combined with a 120Hz MiniLED screen, great speakers + mics + webcam + keyboard, killer trackpad, useful ports and insane battery life. This whole combination is unparalleled. Even Wintel fanboys gonna have a very tough time finding comparable alternatives.
Goodbye my old 2015 MBP friend, you have served me well :')
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It's just amazing other laptop makers can get a 1080p camera without needing a huge notch but somehow you view this as some big win on apple's part? Lol ok.
They didn’t though. And the notch is once again in additional real estate and houses several sensors like true tone and ambient light as well as indicator.I view it as an inelegant solution that isn’t worth throwing a tantrum over because I can finally move on from a 2015 to a true pro machine and not the 2016, lap warmer vanity project.
This is such fanboy bullcrap. Those stick images aren't recognisable or representative of anything Apple or otherwise. Case in point the bottom left looks like Pro Display. While the top right could be any Android phone with a notch.
It's extra screen anyway so... Also the bezel is 3mm, the menu bar is clearly no more than twice that maybe a little less. So 5-6mm at most ie equal thinness to an iPad Pro and yet to you it's "TOO THICK"
Maybe we should have a list dispelling ‘myths’ :
1. Notch does not reduce the screen size
2. The computers are the same thickness - it is the perception of the thickness
3. There are TB4 ports to both sides
1. Notch does not reduce the screen size
2. The computers are the same thickness - it is the perception of the thickness
3. There are TB4 ports to both sides
Yes it definitely looks incomplete...
I hated it when they removed the branding from Retina MBP,bought one and it always bugged me until I sold it.
they brought it back with next generation (until now) so really bizarre choice to remove it again.
the M1 iMac without Apple logo is definitely ugly.and a much more negative visual effect than this MBP
Yes, of course I screwed it up and swapped the info. I'll see if it lets me fix it.
Corrected it!
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The extra menu items will skip past the notch and appear on the right. The menus take precedent over the status bar icons. If you have enough icons to be a problem, you should get Bartender right now. It does a great job of letting you hide the icons that you don’t use frequently and making them available with a single click. Maybe Apple will add this feature themselves eventually but for now, Bartender is perfect to handle the icon overflow.
So you want a NostrilCam like some of the Windows laptops? Whether the notch stands out or blends in entirely depends on which color scheme you are using. If you use dark mode you will hardly see it. I hope that Apple gives an option for light mode that will color the menu area dark. That should remove any visual distraction.
Most of the photos we have seen have been the lock screen with a bright colorful background and the notch really does stand out in that case, but I suspect, once you are seeing it with apps, menus, icons and a slightly different color scheme, you’ll quickly learn to ignore it.
So, you never had that feature before. For that reason you should like MagSafe.
