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New Intel Mac mini

how long before g4 doesn't get software support anymore

wonder when apple is no longer going to support g4 processors for software releases?
 
???

Where are you getting that info from?

Here is from the Apple site:

Storage
60GB or 80GB 5400-rpm Serial ATA hard disk drive; optional 100GB or 120GB drive2

kugino said:
double wow. that's good news...and obviously contributes to the $100 price increase.
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EDIT: Opps, has already been mentioned.
 
Next Intel line of chips..Merom..etc.

macaddict06 said:
good catch. Yeah, I am thinking way more that this is just a quick bridge. They will inevitably put Conroe in it, then maybe we can see some mileage out of the "economy" rating. In any case, its kinda hard to make an economy computer with top of the link chips (Core Duo, Core Solo). Just remember that the G4 was 1 desktop chip behind, and now it is in line with the desktops (I am assuming that we can place the Intels as the next advance over the G5. Accurate, I think).
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I would not label the Intel Core Duo's as the next advance over the G5 as the tests have not proven it to be better. It's the first 32-bit Intel Dual Core chips that are excellent for laptops which are great for the Powerbook and iBook lines. However, they are in no way G5 killers. PM's I don't think will be replaced by these chips.
 
gmanrique said:
Where are you getting that info from?

Here is from the Apple site:

Storage
60GB or 80GB 5400-rpm Serial ATA hard disk drive; optional 100GB or 120GB drive2
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For the 25th time, it's on the Apple Store site...

(More specifically, when you click on Learn More in the configuration area)
 
asencif said:
I would not label the Intel Core Duo's as the next advance over the G5 as the tests have not proven it to be better. It's the first 32-bit Intel Dual Core chips that are excellent for laptops which are great for the Powerbook and iBook lines. However, they are in no way G5 killers. PM's I don't think will be replaced by these chips.
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Well no, sorry, I was unclear. What I mean is that they are the NextStep for Apple (pun intended). They needn't be "better" just the next chip in the pipline. I doubt, sadly, that we will see a new G5 Product. thats what I meant, sorry fora bad post.
 
front row w/bonjour

sorry if this has been asked and answered... sharing music and videos is great in theory but... if you have downloaded music and songs from the itunes music store, will you be able to share them with other front row users without authorizing each computer?

it was slick watching steve access phil's macbook pro to play music and movies presumably downloaded as protected content from the itms... however the underlying assumption is that steve previously authorized phil's account on his mac mini...

is this correct? if so, that is a significant limitation (though understandably given the limitations of DRM) to the "sharing" capabilities of the new front row software (for example: in a dorm situation where you don't know most of the people on the LAN)...

thanks
 
flir67 said:
wonder when apple is no longer going to support g4 processors for software releases?
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Given that they're still selling G4's (iBooks) they probably won't be able to discontinue G4 support until several years after they stop selling PPC altogether. We already know that PPC will not be sold after 2006, although I have a feeling that by June, Apple will introduce an Intel Power Mac and announce that sales of PPC machines will cease when supplies run out.

I figure it will be at least 2010 before official PPC support terminates, although Leopard very well may be the last release of OS X for PPC.
 
shanmui1 said:
The previous mini model, 1.5 G4 64 mb dedicated GPU was a better machine and better value than this.

Disappointing
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A G4 < Core Duo ???? Since when, in a former post someone came up with a spec of P4 2.8 is about a 1.6 Core Duo. Not sure if that's right, but these are brand new chips. Not defending the mini, but I don't think you can compare a 1.5 G4, I'll take the speed bump thanks. By the by, the integrated chip can do 1080p according to the Intel spec sheet, not to shabby. Of course if you're going to game, get a PC or a 360, or save up for a PS3.
 
iTMS Shared musikz

corranroh said:
sorry if this has been asked and answered... sharing music and videos is great in theory but... if you have downloaded music and songs from the itunes music store, will you be able to share them with other front row users without authorizing each computer?
thanks
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Yeah, I am pretty sure they pre-auth'd. The RIAA would havea fit if that got canceled, that is the whole point of having the iTMS and m4p vs m4a. The Dorm situation is the exact reason that they pushed Apple to make a protected format.
But there are ways around that...coughGetTunescough who said that?
 
The way I see it, this is a pretty good release. Apple used the only chips they could (core solo/duo) w/out being really cheap. These are new chips and so they're going to be expensive. Adding up all the costs, it was too expensive (we've done the component calculations w/ core solo/duo and they're expensive chips) so they tried to cut a corner w/ integrated graphics. The price still had to go up. I'm sure they aren't happy about this. As the Intel chip roadmap progresses, we will see price drops. And price drops are way more important than integrated graphics for these machines' target market.
 
A summary for those of you who showed up late....

People are peeved over 2 things:
a) The cost increase
b) The assumed problem with integrated graphics

a) can be explained by the extra value of the processor, standard wireless, extra USB, optical audio, high RAM capacity and probably several other improvements. I don't think you can make a reasonable argument that these things aren't worth the increase. I would agree that the $500 price point *is* magical and perhaps having a more stripped down box (sans wireless?) may have made a few budget minded folks happier. But it's not a rip-off.

b) Is still a big guess and WILL ALWAYS BE, because there will be no way to truely compare similar machines (since the G4 is so different) There can be little doubt that the added speed in the Intel chips outweighs the graphics situation. It seems that the shared memory is the biggest problem and 512MB minus shared memory won't cut it in almost any situation. Now folks talking about rosetta should remember a few things: 1. rosetta isn't forever. 2. Photoshop and FCS cost more than the machine itself (unless you're EDU or a pirate). 3. Office runs good enough. I know there are more rosetta apps, but that probably covers most of the big ones. The gamers should buy something else. Sorry.

As a poster several hundred posts ago reiterated: this announcment was for the living room, not the gaming room. Let the year finish before you claim the intel transition is a failure. Jeez, it's just febr---march.

does that sum up the thread pretty well? oh. and DVI and HDMI cables can be bought to work with a mac mini and HDTV...
 
here is a screenie of the 7200 thing RPM on the store. i'd certainly pay for this option if it was available but i think this is just typo.
 

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Mini not a gaming machine...At least not the new one

Many defenders of the Integrated GPU state...What did you expect? A Mac Mini is not a gaming system?

While this is true, I think people are upset, not because it isn't an Alienware machine, instead it can't even play a casual game here and there. What's wrong with playing the occasional Sims 2 type game. Is this too much to ask? There's a lot of casual computer users who play a game or two. Maybe not to the level of Doom 3 at 40fps, but they do. Another point, why was Apple using a 3D gaming example to prove their reasoning why a dedicated GPU is better than using an integrated chip? Now they are using one. So the old mini can play 3D games too? I see Intel really loves putting more than their chips in any computer.

Thanks to a user who copied this image from the old G4 mini site.
 

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asencif said:
Many defenders of the Integrated GPU state...What did you expect? A Mac Mini is not a gaming system?

While this is true, I think people are upset, not because it isn't an Alienware machine, instead it can't even play a casual game here and there. What's wrong with playing the occasional Sims 2 type game. Is this too much to ask? There's a lot of casual computer users who play a game or two. Maybe not to the level of Doom 3 at 40fps, but they do. Another point, why was Apple using a 3D gaming example to prove their reasoning why a dedicated GPU is better than using an integrated chip? Now they are using one. So the old mini can play 3D games too? I see Intel really loves putting more than their chips in any computer.

Thanks to a user who copied this image from the old G4 mini site.
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Btw I can run Sims 2 on Windows running in VMWare, I think it will work on the mini PERFECTLY
 
asencif said:
Many defenders of the Integrated GPU state...What did you expect? A Mac Mini is not a gaming system?

While this is true, I think people are upset, not because it isn't an Alienware machine, instead it can't even play a casual game here and there. What's wrong with playing the occasional Sims 2 type game. Is this too much to ask? There's a lot of casual computer users who play a game or two. Maybe not to the level of Doom 3 at 40fps, but they do. Another point, why was Apple using a 3D gaming example to prove their reasoning why a dedicated GPU is better than using an integrated chip? Now they are using one. So the old mini can play 3D games too? I see Intel really loves putting more than their chips in any computer.

Thanks to a user who copied this image from the old G4 mini site.
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if all you want is to play a casual game or two, the integrated chip will work fine...just b/c it's an integrated chip doesn't mean it can't play games...
 
does that sum up the thread pretty well? oh. and DVI and HDMI cables can be bought to work with a mac mini and HDTV...
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ABOUT the whole DVI/HDMI conversation going on within this thread:

If this Mac Mini was indeed an announcement "for the living room" as some have stated, that's where my gripe on video output lies. While HDMI may be pin-for-pin a DVI connection (thanks for that info, didn't know that), my concern does stand:

With HDTV pushing into homes full steam, non-HD (at least, non-analog) TV signals being phased out, and so forth, it seems really strange that Apple would omit an EASY way to output an HD signal from this new Mac Mini.

I could go buy many things depending on my own knowledge and the knowledge of the person I purchase from: a DVI to HDTV cable, a VGA to Component converter box, a DVI to Component dongle, and so forth.

The catch with these is that, Apple only directly supports their DVI to S-Video connector, which is a joke if you have an HDTV set. Even a small one, as the quality goes out the window.

With Apple pushing HD on the desktop, I'm really surprised that the Min doesn't have an HD output. I think a whole lot of people do NOT have a separate sound system hooked into their TV - no one I know in NYC at least has one, the apartments are too small. =) So even if I got a DVI to HDMI cable, I'd still need a way to get the sound, and since my TV (and most!) support HDMI as its own discrete input, it's impossible WITHOUT a separate sound system.

While I'd love to buy a Mini, I just can't justify the extra expense to use it as perhaps Apple envisioned - as a piece of my living room. I'd need to invest in a receiver, speakers, and cabling to hook my current kit up to all of that - whereas if Apple just included an HDMI output (or sold a cheap DVI to Component video + audio box), I'd be all set.
 
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