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New iPhone Article by Gizmodo
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1st Gen still good
Why couldn't Apple continue to sell the 1st gen iPhone and price it at $200 while the 3G would come in at the current price point? This would allow them to keep their exclusive deal with AT&T and open up the 3G phone to other carriers, all the while attracting new customers who would be enticed by a lower price point. So, basically there would still be just an iPhone, but with different features based on price.
Why couldn't Apple continue to sell the 1st gen iPhone and price it at $200 while the 3G would come in at the current price point? This would allow them to keep their exclusive deal with AT&T and open up the 3G phone to other carriers, all the while attracting new customers who would be enticed by a lower price point. So, basically there would still be just an iPhone, but with different features based on price.
Reading this news earlier today on appleinsider almost made me ejaculate. Now, how am I going to convince my parents to switch to at&t...
Somehow, using "ejaculate", "parents", and "at&t" in the same paragraph doesn't feel right
iPhone price kills percieved value of iPod Touch
Wouldn't a subsidized phone kill the percieved value of the ipod touch?
I understand how subsidized works.
I'm just saying the PERCEIVED value will be strange if 8gb iPhone cost 200 bucks and 8GB ipod touch cost 300.
Wouldn't a subsidized phone kill the percieved value of the ipod touch?
I understand how subsidized works.
I'm just saying the PERCEIVED value will be strange if 8gb iPhone cost 200 bucks and 8GB ipod touch cost 300.
Somehow, using "ejaculate", "parents", and "at&t" in the same paragraph doesn't feel right
yeah
I love the OLED idea and there was a rumor on MR a few moths ago about that.
I don't see a use for a GPS chipset in a phone. If you have cellphone coverage, it should be possible to triangulate your position thru cell towers.
My Garmin handheld can take ages to get a fix on my location some days, even with the very large chipset visibly exposed thru the case. The Google map integration has been "good enough" in my view. Good technology if you are out in the boonies, but for most in North America, not needed.
My Garmin handheld can take ages to get a fix on my location some days, even with the very large chipset visibly exposed thru the case. The Google map integration has been "good enough" in my view. Good technology if you are out in the boonies, but for most in North America, not needed.
My Mio a701 is great, but for a 2005 phone/gps, its getting old. I need an iPhone, but I'm only getting one if it has GPS... it's so practical for me.
Mmm... It isn't an axact fit (made for a thicker iPod) but the Zap! R08-IV works great with the iPhone.
http://www.portergy.com/2007/index.asp
Kddi (Japan) profiled a phone/wallet/gps/browser "concept device" a few years back. It was slightly larger than an iPhone and looked like a piece of clear glass.
They had some videos that showed the thing in use... but my link is old and hangs:
http://www.kddi.com/english/corporate/kddi/ubiquitous/en_b_select.html
You can google
kddi ubiquitous
and find some info.
It was a really cool looking device!
That's what I'm thinkin'...
Yup, I bet
's fabled MacBook, MacBook Pro, and I'll even say a "mini-type" machines re-design will gravitate towards that design. Steve likes continuity. My 2¢
Yup, I bet
's fabled MacBook, MacBook Pro, and I'll even say a "mini-type" machines re-design will gravitate towards that design. Steve likes continuity. My 2¢ 
I'm sure there are a lot of things absent in the 2.0 beta. They like to keep their surprises. The beta is mostly to test the enterprise functions they've added in real world environments so that they can find more bugs. For example the App Store doesn't work in any of the beta releases so far, so no one is able to test it but Apple. The App Store isn't an enterprise function really, so there's no need to have it functioning. The only reason there's an icon for it there now is because the existence of the App Store has already been disclosed. I'm sure we'll see many surprises in the final release of the 2.0 software and the next gen iPhone.
Huge?? Not really, they have the freedom that they didn't with a top secret project.
Well remember the iPhone was a project done in secret over a number of years, so in many ways it is a technological old kid. Some things to keep in mind.
There have been estimates that battery technology, for portable devices, has been improving at 8 to 9% a year. Not super fast but every little bit helps in a portable device.
Second; portable device have been hot as of late and a lot of companies have been dumping R&D into the various chips and hardware that make up these devices. Even things like the class D sound chips have seen substantial improvements since the release of iPod / Touch. It is actually surprising that things like Class D sound chips can still be improved as much as they have.
Third; many SoC processors have been developed since iPhone again targeting the portable devices market. This doesn't even take into account Apple having a custom spin done for a high performance SoC. Remember PA Semi was purchased, allegedly, so that they could finish a "project" for Apple. If Apple could move an ARM processor to 45nm and obtain integration of RAM, and a good portion of the required I/O they will have a very compelling processor.
Fourth; Flash upgrades should be easy. They have two possible avenues here. One is the new tech coming on line the other is the simple use of two devices instead of one. Either approach is enabled by the move to a higher integration SoC.
There is a lot of potential here with this spin of iPhone. I can't of course know what Apple is up to as I'm on the other side of the country. On the other hand I'm wired into the electronics industry enough to realize they should be able to make great strides with this rev. Especially on a lower cost iPhone 2, the high end phone will simply have more parts to deal with anyways.
Dave
Well remember the iPhone was a project done in secret over a number of years, so in many ways it is a technological old kid. Some things to keep in mind.
There have been estimates that battery technology, for portable devices, has been improving at 8 to 9% a year. Not super fast but every little bit helps in a portable device.
Second; portable device have been hot as of late and a lot of companies have been dumping R&D into the various chips and hardware that make up these devices. Even things like the class D sound chips have seen substantial improvements since the release of iPod / Touch. It is actually surprising that things like Class D sound chips can still be improved as much as they have.
Third; many SoC processors have been developed since iPhone again targeting the portable devices market. This doesn't even take into account Apple having a custom spin done for a high performance SoC. Remember PA Semi was purchased, allegedly, so that they could finish a "project" for Apple. If Apple could move an ARM processor to 45nm and obtain integration of RAM, and a good portion of the required I/O they will have a very compelling processor.
Fourth; Flash upgrades should be easy. They have two possible avenues here. One is the new tech coming on line the other is the simple use of two devices instead of one. Either approach is enabled by the move to a higher integration SoC.
There is a lot of potential here with this spin of iPhone. I can't of course know what Apple is up to as I'm on the other side of the country. On the other hand I'm wired into the electronics industry enough to realize they should be able to make great strides with this rev. Especially on a lower cost iPhone 2, the high end phone will simply have more parts to deal with anyways.
Dave
I do not believe the 22% slimmer part. They added a switch to turn off 3G, so they must think that customers will be concerened over the battery life. Thicker would make a lot more sense to me and given that the current version is fairly slim, I do not beleive it would hurt to make it a little thicker and provide better battery life.
Give me more battery, the iPhone does not need to go on a diet.
Give me more battery, the iPhone does not need to go on a diet.
While I would love a modular or swappable battery I do believe that would lead to a thicker not thinner device.
In any event I still don't know why there is so much negativity as to a thinner but longer lived iPhone. The more stuff that Apple can move into the SoC the more room on the PC board for Flash or conversely a smaller board and a larger battery. Lets all pull up our boot straps and realize that the world did not stand still after iPhone 1 hit the market.
No one knows what the technology mix will be in iPhone 2 but lets face it the possibilities are endless.
Dave
LOL, more likely to give you a brain tumor and cause more world hunger as people in poor countries will buy the iPhone instead of food for their children.
I never had a thread that made front page news! Well anyways, why do people keep talking about an iPhone nano. You must not realize that it would be almost impossible to type on something that is significantly smaller than the iPhone.
I do find it hard to believe that the iPhone will have 3G, GPS, thinner, better battery ANDD more storage, seems impossible, but Apple did release the MacBook Air, so maybe it is possible.
I do find it hard to believe that the iPhone will have 3G, GPS, thinner, better battery ANDD more storage, seems impossible, but Apple did release the MacBook Air, so maybe it is possible.
I expect it to be a little thicker, and that doesn't bother me too much, but I am hoping they can get it lighter (by switching to a ceramic back or something).
It won't be thinner. 3G, I think, is obvious. GPS is likely, and probably built into the 3G chipset. 32GB would be great, but it's still a hair below what I'd need to be truly happy-- 45-60GB would be nice. I really, really doubt it's getting thinner without getting wider at the same time-- and I think that's fine, it doesn't need to be as thin as it is.
Speaking of which, why are we listening to Kevin Rose? What are his credentials? Some rockstar, web 2.0 kid that drinks beer with a friend while reading the headlines other people have submitted does not a journalist make. Of course he knocked the first iPhone rumor out of the park...
22% sounds like a nice little watermark-- Apple sees 22% (not 21, not 23) show up on a site like this and they know exactly which guy to fire. Their purpose is just to discredit whoever is passing along the rumors.
Speaking of which, why are we listening to Kevin Rose? What are his credentials? Some rockstar, web 2.0 kid that drinks beer with a friend while reading the headlines other people have submitted does not a journalist make. Of course he knocked the first iPhone rumor out of the park...
I'd expect it to work out of the box just fine-- as long as you were using AT&T as your carrier. I expect to see this lumped in with Visual Voicemail as a carrier based service.What is the likelihood of GPS working out of the box (assuming there truly is GPS in the next revision)? I know Steve has a penchant for things that "just work" out of the box so I'd be pleased if this were the case. I know other phones that have GPS (like ones from Nextel) don't work out of the box and require the purchase of software
Would a likely scenario be integration with Google maps for a "poor man's GPS" (kind of like what they have now but which would automatically update your position but not dictate to you what turns are coming up)
Triangulating to the towers requires at least 3 towers in view, and will have a heck of a time figuring out what corner you're standing on. Does it even meet E911 requirements?
3.2 is plenty on a phone. You're not taking huge landscape shots usually, just people and events kinda stuff. What I'd rather see than more megapixels (because I agree the phone needs an upgrade) is autofocus and an LED "flash".
Ok, if the new back to school deal somehow let you use the money from the ipod touch towards a new iphone I would die and go to heaven! I know this is VERY unlikely since we've been hearing a lot about the subisdy rumors, but if they actually let people do that I would definitely be welcoming my first macbook along with my first iphone.
I just really hope that they are available soon after they are announced, maybe a week at maximum because I have been living without my cell phone and ipod touch (sold them both) for about 2 weeks and I'm dyin' here.......
I just really hope that they are available soon after they are announced, maybe a week at maximum because I have been living without my cell phone and ipod touch (sold them both) for about 2 weeks and I'm dyin' here.......