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A dock connector that worked like the MagSafe connector on the laptops would be fantastic! I mean, why are we dealing with those ridiculous pin connectors in 2012? Are you kidding? Let the magnets line up and make the connection! Thunderbolt on the other side would be pretty cool too.

Interesting, now that would be cool. Definitely would have the surface area for a Magnet. :rolleyes:
 
If Apple is really going to redesign the dock, they should just go with everyone else and use micro USB.
 
..., bring back the tapered sides so it's more comfortable to hold, ...

Tapered sides are the most difficult to hold. Very unstable with the inherent "rocking" across the fingertips. Flat sides, on the other hand, are imminently easy to hold since they give you a nice flat surface and provide excellent control. As for comfort, I don't really find the current design uncomfortable.
 
Good question, but have you even considered it carefully, or are you just raising it rhetorically? Apple has stated why it is opposed to fragmenting the iOS environment with too many options. It places an unreasonable burden on developpers, and that is a sure way to dilute the quality of Apps that will be released to the platform. So the real question is this: is the slight increase in size worth the effort and risk it presents? Do you have a serious answer to this question?

There are over 500K apps in the AppStore, so the quality dilution is already upon us. Honestly, how many of the 500K apps are well designed and written, much less best of breed?
 
I can't believe how many consider a larger screen to be revolutionary. I'm sure Apple will go as big as necessary to facilitate a battery for LTE. But I hope they don't create this big monstrosity just because Samsung et al decided larger screens = innovation. :rolleyes:

I'm much more interested in what iOS 6 bring. That's where I want Apple to blow me away.
 
I can see it now: 'The old iPhone is dead. Meet the new old iPhone'.

I hope Apple understands that the population is aging and therefore a bigger screen would be useful even if it isn't revolutionary.
 
I want a bigger screen or for the first time ever I will not have the new I phone
I have Mac everything and I really am looking at the droid and t think the ball was dropped with the 4 s and the new 5 better have more them 64 gb I was was pissed with the iPad 3.
 
Why not implement it [Thunderbolt] to other devices too?

Because Thunderbolt is expensive to implement, requires expensive active cables, and uses a "daisy chain" topology which makes it inconvenient for frequently plugged/unplugged peripherals like phones and tablets: especially when 2011- MacBooks only have a single thunderbolt port that doubles as a display connector.

Thunderbolt's strength is that it allows types of expansion that would have formerly required internal PCIe cards or an Expresscard slot. If someone gets their finger out and releases a proper "laptop dock" (i.e. an Apple Thunderbolt Display without the $1000 screen) that will also be a killer app.

However, for plugging in things like iDevices, USB3 would be the more sensible path - PC Users buy iDevices too, and it wouldn't be surprising if the next or next-but-one round of Mac updates adds USB3 (since it will be built in to Ivy Bridge CPUs).

Plus, as others have said, with iCloud, AirPlay and wireless sync, the dock is going to be increasingly relegated to charging duties. The investment required to build in Thunderbolt wouldn't be worth it.
 
Because Thunderbolt is expensive to implement, requires expensive active cables, and uses a "daisy chain" topology which makes it inconvenient for frequently plugged/unplugged peripherals like phones and tablets: especially when 2011- MacBooks only have a single thunderbolt port that doubles as a display connector.

So is FW and the FW on the original iPad was superior to the current USB 2 based dock connector in the speed aspect. Like FW and USB, TB is hot swappable so I'm not really sure what you are trying to say when it uses "daisy chain".

Also as far as transition goes, TB is easily adaptable to USB. It's safe to say the installed base of TB capable computers is slim. Apple would have to include a TB to USB adapter or dual cable like it did when the iPods were first made compatible w/ PCs.

As far a the price of cables, when FW and USB first came out the cables were the same price as TBs are now adjusted for inflation. The price sank as adoption grew, just like everything. Apple would include a cable, so it's not an additional cost born by the consumer, and based on the sheer # of iPhones that would be sold at launch the manufacturing cost of a TB iPhone cable wouldn't cost much more, if any, than a USB dock connector cable.
 
If the new phone came in with basically the half the thickness I would be all over that. Somehow making it thinner and lighter would actually make an increase in screen size unnecessary.

Basically take the two glass surfaces and set them into the metal band, eliminating the lumpiness around the edges making it flatter and sleeker.
 
As I mentioned earlier, I rely on the current dock connector for use of my iPhone in both of my cars. If Apple were to deploy a new dock connector, on one car the use of an adapter cable is feasible. But on my other car, which has a custom installed dock, an adapter would not be feasible:

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Again, this is a custom install which I adapted to the factory radio using the auxiliary input pins intended for a factory cassette player. Full details:

http://markshangout.com/blog/2011/5/4/custom-iphone-or-ipod-install-in-99-01-miata.html

My wife and I do quite a bit of traveling in the Miata (we did Route 66, Chicago to LA last year). Having quick-glance availability of my iPhone was invaluable for access to maps, a Route 66 attractions app, and—most importantly—access to weather and radar. There's no way I'll buy an iPhone lacking the current dock connector.

Mark
 
"every two years"??
1st design lasted 1 year
2nd design lasted 2 years
3rd design, unknown, at least 2 years, but could be more.

Based on one confirmed 2 year period, yes, you can definitely say that apple redesign every two years.

Don't the other iDevices show a pretty similar sequence too, though?
The iPod touch changed in exterior design from the first generation to the second one. It may not be AS big as a change as the iPhone 3GS had with the iPhone 4, but adding exterior volume controls, making it have a slim side profile, giving it built in speakers and so on, could be considered quite a big change for a device that isn't as important on Apple's list as the iPhone is.

So the iPod touch has had this sequence:

1st Gen ---> 2nd and 3rd Gen identical in exterior design ---> 4th gen becomes much thinner, removed chrome frame, basically another "big" change in terms of it's priority in the iDevice family. And last year they didn't release a new generation, which could be considered as either that just being a leap year and this year it'll have the same design again, or it can be seen as the two year period and iDevice maintains with the same design, and will suffer a big re-design this year again.

iPad:

1st gen ---> 2nd and 3rd gen pretty much identical in exterior design, with the second generation having been a big change in design from the first one.


So taking that in to consideration, I guess we can see a pattern on what strategy Apple likes to use in terms of their device design refresh. They must have figured out that that keeps customers interested in these portable devices.
Who knows, they may NOT change it, they may have found a good enough reason not to. But based on that, which is pretty solid evidence of the sequence they use up to now, it's safer to say the next iPhone will be a big re-design.

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As I mentioned earlier, I rely on the current dock connector for use of my iPhone in both of my cars. If Apple were to deploy a new dock connector, on one car the use of an adapter cable is feasible. But on my other car, which has a custom installed dock, an adapter would not be feasible:

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Again, this is a custom install which I adapted to the factory radio using the auxiliary input pins intended for a factory cassette player. Full details:

[url]http://markshangout.com/blog/2011/5/4/custom-iphone-or-ipod-install-in-99-01-miata.html


My wife and I do quite a bit of traveling in the Miata (we did Route 66, Chicago to LA last year). Having quick-glance availability of my iPhone was invaluable for access to maps, a Route 66 attractions app, and—most importantly—access to weather and radar. There's no way I'll buy an iPhone lacking the current dock connector.

Mark

So? Because you have a custom made product, Apple shouldn't do what they think is best to improve their products?

So if I just made myself custom case for my iPhone, I should probably not expect Apple to re-design the phone, just for me!

No. Even if they do change it, companies will run like mad to design something fitting for the new design, and soon enough, they will all have made a new product fitting for the new device.

I mean... Things change, it happens. Some people lose, yes, but some people win. It always happens.
 
I can see it now: 'The old iPhone is dead. Meet the new old iPhone'.

I hope Apple understands that the population is aging and therefore a bigger screen would be useful even if it isn't revolutionary.

They'd never use a line like that lol.
Especially so close after Steve died. Imagine how controversial that'd be.
 
It would be a shame to lose the existing connector because of backwards compatibility, but it is time to move on.

Very few of the pins are now used, so it could be made much smaller.

It was designed for iPods with relatively small batteries. Hopefully a new design will allow a lot more power to pass through, which would be great for iPad recharge times.

Magsafe is great on the laptops, it would be even more useful on a phone that provides less resistance to being dragged when the cable is caught, and is more often the only cable connected, unlike a laptop with USB, ethernet, Thunderbolt, etc.
 
There are over 500K apps in the AppStore, so the quality dilution is already upon us. Honestly, how many of the 500K apps are well designed and written, much less best of breed?

Yes, there are a lot of apps. And now, the ONLY filtering I need to do is "good" vs. "bad" apps. But with a fragmented App Store, I would have to then sort through apps that "fit" my device or not. Much less desirable.

The investment required to build in Thunderbolt wouldn't be worth it.

The same could have been said for CD-ROM or DVD in personal computers, or any other new technology that is expensive at first. Point is, Thunderbolt is faster and more versatile than USB 3, so all things being equal, why not have Thunderbolt everywhere? Yes, it is more expensive for now, so things aren't equal, but that will change. Technology marches forward.
 
Current dock connector provides support for docking. If it gets smaller, it won't support and it will break all accessories.
P.S. if it needs smaller port, why not consider headphone jack like iPod shuffle. They can sell a lot of adapter too.
 
I guess some people on here wants Apple to stay at 3.5" forever. So much for the iPhone screen ever being magical again. The fact that we are seeing bigger screen phones that can match the screen quality of a smaller screen iPhone says a lot about the progress others have made.

Making phones bigger is 'progress'?? That's funny because 15 years ago making phones ever-smaller was considered progress. No, it's just the latest fad. Apple could so very easily have made the original iPhone bigger—there's nothing difficult or magical about that—but they didn't. They chose the size that they obviously believed provided the best balance between screen real-estate and ergonomics, and many users happen to think they got it pretty right. (I wouldn't mind seeing the screen slightly bigger, but not if it makes the device any wider.)
 
Seriously Apple, its 2012, will be nearly 2013 once the new iPhone is release. Its really ridiculous to have a 3.5" or 3.7" screen now a days. I am still going to buy it, but damn, that irks me. Has Johnny been thinking these last couple years?

Sorry, but the current overall size is perfect for MOST people. If they can keep the phone the same size and increase the screen size, then I'm all for it. Otherwise, stop whining and just go buy a ridiculous Samsung Note.

Large screen devices are only selling well in the US, where for some stupid reason dick size matters, ie. SUVs; Most every place else in the world, mobility and efficiency rule, unless those options aren't practical and a larger off road vehicle is required... that doesn't mean driving to Starbuck's for a coffee or traversing through the McDonald's drive-thru for another Big Mac.

Unless you're blind or have huge fat fingers, large screen phones that you need to carry around with you are just added bulk and a nuisance.
 
Just make it pretty. I'm pretty confident that the Internal specs will be there. Now wrap it in something beautiful and different. Design is just as important as function. It accounts for about 50% of sales. And now is the time to change it up in a big way. The competition is really heating up and apple knows it. Look for something HUGE in September. Nothing less.
 
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