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My story over the years is as follows...

I went from 3G to 4 to 5 to 6 to original SE to 7 to 8 to X to 8 to XS to 8 to 11 Pro and back to 8 and now the new SE. True story. Bigger phones starting with the X have always been a downgrade in my book and that's why I always went back to what I thought was the largest size I'm comfortable with.

For reference, I'm 6'1" with big hands. The iPhone 8/SE is the largest that I can comfortably operate one-handed. I know many people will argue that they can operate their 11 or 11 Pro one-handed. And while I agree that you can, the fact of the matter is that unless you have mammoth palms, it's not easy for you to orient the phone in a way such that you can comfortably and reliably reach every area of the screen in an instance.

Now, I never missed the gimmicky stuff that I had to pay extra for on what society deemed as "higher end" models like the 11 Pro. To me, they were always "lower end" models due to lack of practicality. I never once used the wide angle camera in photos or the zoom function because it was grainy and useless. I also hated to have to point the phone at my face every time in order to unlock it (especially in the office when my phone is laying flat on my desk most of the time). So I found that Face ID was also useless (and slower in everyday use than Touch ID). The OLED screen was admittedly sharper, but it also made my eyes hurt more for some strange reason.

So yeah, the 11 Pro was an instant downgrade in my book. I used it for 2 weeks and got rid of it. The 8 was plenty fast and capable. Actually felt snappier than my 11 Pro did. I can only imagine how much faster and snappier the new SE will be compared to the 11 Pro models.
 
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Maybe that will be the case in the last few years but in 2020, that design and form factor won't appeal to the mass.

The iPhone SE (2nd edition) isn’t appealing to the early adopters or those who pay attention to design/form factor. It’s created for those who are budget conscious or don’t want big phones. The SE isn’t going after the 11 Pro or 12 Pro consumer segment.
 
Touchdown!

(Score, for those not familiar with American football.)

No, what my comment meant was I would not even consider another iPhone until Apple stops prioritizing new gimmicks in their software over a fixing unnecessary bugs created by these new "features".
 
Question for AT&T...If I buy the phone sim free and put my existing sim in it, will AT&T still attempt to charge me their silly activation fee?
 
Not gonna lie tempted to preorder a white SE2 to migrate from XR but I go back and forth

love my blue XR it’s just a bit unwieldy at times and I really liked my se1 still have it just wonder if it’s the right move or not hmm

the price is fantastic tho and I have a giftcard but may wanna use that on a flagship later this year

Touch ID has its merits

I’ve heard a few people say this about the XR and that they were considering a new SE. I’m just curious why? Is it Face ID vs Touch ID? I have a Xs and would never consider going back to the older design; not that there is anything wrong with it.
 
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That market will fail miserably and it's not a smaller form factor.

I disagree.


 
Dumb question: If I buy a model with Sprint SIM card inside, is that SIM card locked to Sprint? I use another carrier that runs on the Sprint network and had to order a SIM card from them but the card says Sprint? Assuming all carrier devices are unlocked if you pay the full price.
 
I just ordered one for my mother and AT&T waived the $30 activation fee. I’m assuming that’s just a temporary thing?
 
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No, what my comment meant was I would not even consider another iPhone until Apple stops prioritizing new gimmicks in their software over a fixing unnecessary bugs created by these new "features".
lol he knew what you meant. :)
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Apple re-released the SE ?

I always liked the small size.

Edit: This seems to be a re-release of the iPhone 8 ?
It's an SE. Says so right in the title. :)
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It’s literally the only negative talking point they could come up with. But the memo obviously went out, you see the complaint constantly.

My counter argument is that the run times are almost as good as the iPhone 11—even though the 11 has upwards of twice the battery capacity (1.7x).

iPhone 11: 17 hrs video playback, 10 hours streaming video. 3110 mAh battery.

iPhone SE: 13 hrs video playback, 8 hours streaming video. 1821 mAh battery.
Yeah, I see this too, and people pointing out the removal of 3D Touch ought to have made room for a larger battery. I'm not an engineer, so I don't know, but I wonder what kind of engineering of the inside would have been necessary to put in a larger battery, and still maintain the economies of using existing tooled parts to assemble? I think that may have a lot to do with it, but I don't know.
 
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My counter argument is that the run times are almost as good as the iPhone 11—even though the 11 has upwards of nearly twice the battery capacity (1.7x).

iPhone 11: 17 hrs video playback, 10 hours streaming video. 3110 mAh battery.

iPhone SE: 13 hrs video playback, 8 hours streaming video. 1821 mAh battery.
That's not really a good counter argument though. Within the context of smartphone battery life, 4 hours of additional playback and 2 hours of additional streaming are huge differences in run time. To say that the run times are almost as good is just not true when judged from the perspective of smartphone usage.

People naturally assumed, considering all the similarities to the 8, with a new more efficient processor the battery life would be better. No one was expecting Apple to nebulously state "Lasts about the same as iPhone 8". That's not a ringing endorsement since the 8 wasn't generally known for great battery life.

Is it a legit criticism? Idk, everybody's got different opinions. Battery life isn't a static statistic. Use cases are going to determine how good or bad the battery life is for the new SE. From a purely marketing perspective, "Lasts about the same as iPhone 8" isn't the best bullet point.
 
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