iPhone Max & iPhone Pro Max?
Things are getting silly...
Don’t forget about M1 Macs running M1 Max. Not confusing at all.
iPhone Max & iPhone Pro Max?
Things are getting silly...
Delusional. The idea of the SE is that it is the OLD form factor, not that it is small. The SE was never a small phone, it was a normal sized phone with basic modern internals in an older design. If you want to look cool and up to date with the new form factor and all the fancy cameras, then you need to fork out the bucks. If the mini gets dumped, it's because of lack of demand for a smaller phone, and if so, it won't be coming back as an SE anytime ever.My hope is that if the iPhone Mini is discontinued it can in a few years be the basis for an SE. Meanwhile, I think it's great that this form factor is getting a refresh. Touch ID can be so much more convenient than Face ID at times... ?
Get an Apple Watch ? - then the iPhone unlocks using FaceID even when wearing a mask.I like Touch ID. Actually missing it put me off from my planned buy of the 13. Because when I travel by train I need to wear a mask all the time. Touch ID is perfect for it.
As long as my 6S carries on I can wait. Will consider the SE3 versus the 13. But will need at least 256 storage.
Outside of the physical Lightning socket, I think you'd be extremely hard pressed to make an argument for "same parts bin since 2014". New cameras, lenses, case material, OS, form factors, processors, batteries, display sizes/technologies/resolutions/brightness, antennas, modems... you get the idea...Because I’m a tech enthusiast. I like to see the market progress and more modern technology in the hands of everyone.
Seeing Apple recycle the same parts bin since 2014 while other budget phones actually bring new ideas to the table, you have to see why an enthusiast would be frustrated.
People seem to overestimate how small the mini is. Is it because of the name?Delusional. The idea of the SE is that it is the OLD form factor, not that it is small. The SE was never a small phone, it was a normal sized phone with basic modern internals in an older design. If you want to look cool and up to date with the new form factor and all the fancy cameras, then you need to fork out the bucks. If the mini gets dumped, it's because of lack of demand for a smaller phone, and if so, it won't be coming back as an SE anytime ever.
Personally, I hope they not only keep the Mini, but put out a Mini Pro. Not because I care or want one, but because I know that there are people who do. I also hope they put out a smaller SE for people like you, but I'm realisitic in that it won't be the current Mini body (until years down the track when there is a new form factor, and the SE moves to the current design). I don't think it would hurt Apple to produce some low volume, low profit items, because it would just be a nice thing to do for those few that really want them. Apple doing things just to be nice would be wonderful. For once.
I have no need for an Apple Watch and I'd hate the charging. I just want Touch ID on the phone not another device.Get an Apple Watch ? - then the iPhone unlocks using FaceID even when wearing a mask.
Enormous bezels from 2014? It's Apple, It's Perfect™! It may come with 64 GB base storage and 3 GB of RAM, but it's Apple RAM and storage, so it's the best!
"Is it because of the name?"People seem to overestimate how small the mini is. Is it because of the name?
The iPhone mini’s screen is 5.4 inches diagonally.
The iPhone SE’s screen is 4.7 inches diagonally.
The mini is 64mm wide vs 67mm for the SE but that is probably mostly bezel.
Even on battery life, in the iPhone 12 mini has about 25 percent more capacity than the iPhone SE. The 13 mini increased that battery life.
If they decide to make the mini the next SE, there's no way it would cost as little as $400, having all the latest tech.
It's just a bad idea overall.
One could have said the exact same thing about the iPhone 6S when the original iPhone SE came out in March of 2016. Yet, four years later, in March 2020, Apple did exactly that - they took the latest evolution of iPhone 6 form factor (the one used for the iPhone 8, including wireless charging) put the latest processor into it, and offered it for $400 as the next SE. Sure, that was four years from the release of the original, and it's true that the the Mini form factor is too new to have made a business case for a $400 phone by March of 2022. But in March of 2024 for a potential SE4? That isn't so hard to imagine.
Unfortunately, given prevailing rumor, that scenario seems pretty unlikely to play out at this point. Instead, the next iPhone form factor is pegged to be adopted from the iPhone XR/11. In fact, some accounts claim that this phone, rather than an updated SE 2020, is actually the one coming in March 2022 (not least because the form factor was designed with 5G in mind, and the next iPhone SE is nearly universally acknowledged to have 5G). At any rate, whether in 2022 or perhaps 2023, or maybe not until 2024, it appears that an XR/11 based iPhone SE is coming.
Then, once you have an SE with the 6" screen of the XR/11, well that's probably the death knell for a Mini-based SE. The obvious choice for the following generation is the 6" iPhone 12/13(/14?), not the lame-duck 5.4" Mini that will have only lived for two years. Not only does this avoid the awkward product evolution of 4" -> 4.7" -> 6" -> 5.4", but it's not even necessarily the case that the smaller Mini form factor would be lowest cost option given that it will not have reached nearly the volume of the larger size.
As a former iPhone SE 1 and current iPhone Mini 12 owner, I want to be wrong about this. But I don't think I will be.
The OG SE might have had the latest CPU and camera, but it surely didn't have Touch ID 2, or the same design as 6s for example. Face ID is expensive for Apple and they won't put it in a budget model. Look at the iPad Air - it's got the same design as the Pro, thick enough bezels for Face ID, but they opted for Touch ID because it costs less and keeps the price of the iPad cheaper.One could have said the exact same thing about the iPhone 6S when the original iPhone SE came out in March of 2016.
The OG SE might have had the latest CPU and camera, but it surely didn't have Touch ID 2, or the same design as 6s for example. Face ID is expensive for Apple and they won't put it in a budget model. Look at the iPad Air - it's got the same design as the Pro, thick enough bezels for Face ID, but they opted for Touch ID because it costs less and keeps the price of the iPad cheaper.
Yeah battery capacity should be doubled. But maybe then the phone will become heavy.I wish they would reconsider the battery size. Imagine how fast it would drain when using 5G.
As the member who replied above pointed out, you can get the iPhone 11 with Face ID today for $500. Furthermore you could get an XR with Face ID last year for that same price. How much would an XR be today if it were still in the lineup?The OG SE might have had the latest CPU and camera, but it surely didn't have Touch ID 2, or the same design as 6s for example. Face ID is expensive for Apple and they won't put it in a budget model.
Keen observation.The broad iPhone 6 design language was only dropped with the iPhone 12. If, and that's a big if, that longevity holds we wouldn't see a flat edge SE before 2026 at the earliest and that includes the Mini.
I'm cool with that as long as they also offer a 5.5" SE3 Plus. That would be ideal.I hope Apple makes the SE3 the same form factor as the iPhone 6-8, SE2. I want the bezels, home button, 4.7in LCD screen is perfectly fine. Just want updated internals including more ram.
Smaller bezels… why are people so obsessed over smaller bezels? I wish a phone had good bezel just to be able to touch it without accidentally triggering any kind of button on the side or screen. I had this with an iPhone 6 at work where I often deleted an incoming message or call when I wanted to pick it up. Most annoying.One thing I did notice that I found to be an immediate disappointment with the current SE - the screen size is actually smaller than that of my current iPhone 6s. That will have to change before I get this upcoming SE. Hopefully smaller bezels will do the trick.
different phonesSubjective in a sense to say ‘the best phone ever made.’
If we’re being technical, the ‘8’ was probably the best phone ever made out of that particular generation, it had the least amount of hardware issues with notable upgrades, and Apple pretty much perfected it. The 6S wasn’t without its issues, but considerably improved with performance over the standard 6.
Smaller bezels… why are people so obsessed over smaller bezels? I wish a phone had good bezel just to be able to touch it without accidentally triggering any kind of button on the side or screen. I had this with an iPhone 6 at work where I often deleted an incoming message or call when I wanted to pick it up. Most annoying.
Simple… phone was on the table, message comes in and when I try to pick it up I inadvertently touch te border of the screen, iOS thinks I touched delete notification and is gone.I don't think anyone ever accused the iPhone 6 of having too small bezels. Honest question, what kind of bezels are you expecting if the iPhone 6 design gives you problems and how are you holding your device if you accidentally delete messages or incoming calls on that thing?