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The 2019 phone is a lame stopgap in anticipation for the 2020 blockbuster.

Why so negative? The way I see it, just because the 2019 iPhone isn’t shaping to meet up your expectations, doesn’t mean it won’t appeal to someone else. It’s easy to be critical of the iPhone before it launches, but I usually find that most seemingly are surprised what iPhone has to offer once Apple has the opportunity to demo its new features. Don’t you think it makes-logical sense to wait and see what the keynote has to deliver _before_ making any overly-critical judgments?
 
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After all the wait for those people (myself included), you can't shake the "that's all?" meh-ness. The 2019 phone is a lame stopgap in anticipation for the 2020 blockbuster. We don't want to wait yet another year, but we don't want to throw over 1000 down the drain for a 3 year old looking phone with a barfnotch and a camera tumor either. That's a first world problem alright.

I thought the same thing last year too.
 
Why so negative? The way I see it, just because the 2019 iPhone isn’t shaping to meet up your expectations, doesn’t mean it won’t appeal to someone else. It’s easy to be critical of the iPhone before it launches, but I usually find that most seemingly are surprised what iPhone has to offer once Apple has the opportunity to demo its new features. Don’t you think it makes-logical sense to wait and see what the keynote has to deliver _before_ making any overly-critical judgments?

I wish I could share your optimism and I wonder what prompts it. The answer is no, I don't think it makes logical sense to wait and see. I was used to be consistently amazed by Apple's tick-tock cycles (3G/S: nice! 4/S WOW! 5/S WOW! 6/S OK great) but since the iPhone 6s I've been in constant "waiting and seeing" mode with no redemption in sight. All leaked evidence points to Apple pulling another "iPhone 7" of sorts before the big release next year. Yawn.
 
Apple marketing at work. "leaked' file gets those in the know talking

Yah, I'm curious why there's a notch in the screen capture? Even with the notch, do screenshots not fill in the top?

I just took another screenshot on my XR and I don't see a notch cutout.

So I call bogus on this rumour.

EDIT - it's not a screenshot per se, but used in the Display Zoom settings. So maybe they added the notch for effect.
 
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I wish I could share your optimism and I wonder what prompts it. The answer is no, I don't think it makes logical sense to wait and see. I was used to be consistently amazed by Apple's tick-tock cycles (3G/S: nice! 4/S WOW! 5/S WOW! 6/S OK great) but since the iPhone 6s I've been in constant "waiting and seeing" mode with no redemption in sight. All leaked evidence points to Apple pulling another "iPhone 7" of sorts before the big release next year. Yawn.
The cell phone market has peaked. You aren't going to see huge upgrades every year anymore. There's only so much they can do. Better chips, better cameras, better screens. All incremental. Just the way it is now with phones.
 
I’m not buying another phone with an intel chip. I prefer to be able to talk on the phone versus dropped calls and texts that hang for minutes before sending with “2 bars of lte”.

One job Apple, make a phone that can compete with other phones at being a phone.

Show me the watch series 5

There's a lot more than the Intel chip. Have you analyzed your environment to make sure there's no unnecessary signal interference?

And the Watch Series 4 is nearly perfect! What are you needing that it doesn't have?
 
There's a lot more than the Intel chip. Have you analyzed your environment to make sure there's no unnecessary signal interference?

And the Watch Series 4 is nearly perfect! What are you needing that it doesn't have?
I have an iPhone 7 Plus and iPhone XS Max. Both show the same signal strength and one drops calls and one doesn’t. Look this problem up, I’m not the only one and it has been demonstrated plenty of times. I don’t “need” anything the 4 offers over my series 0. But I am in the market to upgrade and it would be foolish to do it this close to an upgrade cycle. I’ll wait it out until a new one hits shelves.
 
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There's a lot more than the Intel chip. Have you analyzed your environment to make sure there's no unnecessary signal interference?
Exactly.

My friend has a pixel and our signal and usability with that signal is virtually identical. We're on the same network.
 
The cell phone market has peaked. You aren't going to see huge upgrades every year anymore. There's only so much they can do. Better chips, better cameras, better screens. All incremental. Just the way it is now with phones.

Irrespective of the cell phone market, it's Apple's design culture that has peaked and is freefalling. There's no one there to push the envelope, and even if there was, the risk would probably be too formidable for Operations-Excellence-Stock-Buyback Tim to handle.
 
I wish I could share your optimism and I wonder what prompts it. The answer is no, I don't think it makes logical sense to wait and see. I was used to be consistently amazed by Apple's tick-tock cycles (3G/S: nice! 4/S WOW! 5/S WOW! 6/S OK great) but since the iPhone 6s I've been in constant "waiting and seeing" mode with no redemption in sight. All leaked evidence points to Apple pulling another "iPhone 7" of sorts before the big release next year. Yawn.

Fair enough. I understand everyone has different qualms with Apple’s pricing/upgrades/new features, etc. The Only point I was really trying to make, was sometimes I like to reserve judgment before being to critical on the phone before it releases, being we don’t even know everything Apple has in store. And yet, the triple lens camera is shaping up to be something fairly interesting to see what it has to offer. But that’s just me.
 
Fair enough. I understand everyone has different qualms with Apple’s pricing/upgrades/new features, etc. The Only point I was really trying to make, was sometimes I like to reserve judgment before being to critical on the phone before it releases, being we don’t even know everything Apple has in store. And yet, the triple lens camera is shaping up to be something fairly interesting to see what it has to offer. But that’s just me.

Don't get me wrong, I like your spirit. I'm also curious to see what they got up their sleeve regarding the 3rd camera, and I'm hoping it won't be an exclusive feature for the rumoured $2000 giga-sized iPhone XI Pro. :(
 
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I think he is trying to say, why do you feel the need to inform us as to what you will or will not buy? Should we even care?
This is a public forum and it was on topic. Don’t like what I said, skip on but yes, IMO, people should know that these chips are garbage in areas with not optimal signal strength.

It saddens me that the new iPhones will have these chips and it’s somewhat disheartening to me that Apple would buy their chip division. I trust that Apple will make excellent chips but as is, intel chips are subpar to even what my iPhone 7 had in it, Qualcomm.
 
This is a public forum and it was on topic. Don’t like what I said, skip on but yes, IMO, people should know that these chips are garbage in areas with not optimal signal strength.

It saddens me that the new iPhones will have these chips and it’s somewhat disheartening to me that Apple would buy their chip division. I trust that Apple will make excellent chips but as is, intel chips are subpar to even what my iPhone 7 had in it.
We have an iphone 7. Well my daughter does now. The signal on my xs max is better. And I can compare side by side.
We also camp in fringe areas quite often. No issues with my phone over any other phone.
And the new iphone will not have the same modem. Intel yes, but the newer version.
 
We have an iphone 7. The signal on my xs max is better.
I also camp in fringe areas quite often. No issues with my phone over any other phone.
And the new iphone will not have the same modem. Intel yes, but the newer version.
Both my fiancé and myself have the XS max we both notice call drops in areas we didn’t have problems in before and still i often use the 7 plus for this reason. I’m not making this up and I’m glad it works for you. I have only used iPhone since the first generation and I will still use iPhones but I’m not buying this new iPhone with the new intel chip unless I know that it’s actually better. When I have full signal I get better speeds on my max but when you get down to 2 bars it’s almost unusable. All while it’s allegedly on lte. The internet slows on my 7 plus but I don’t drop calls and I can get messages out.

We are just 2 people, I get it. But when I went to look for solutions I was met with tons of posts and videos showing this is more widespread then just our use case.
 
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I'm a little curious. How do they find these screensshots. I mean, what program is the right to use, for open the software?
 
Both my fiancé and myself have the XS max we both notice call drops in areas we didn’t have problems in before and still i often use the 7 plus for this reason. I’m not making this up and I’m glad it works for you. I have only used iPhone since the first generation and I will still use iPhones but I’m not buying this new iPhone with the new intel chip unless I know that it’s actually better. When I have full signal I get better speeds on my max but when you get down to 2 bars it’s almost unusable. All while it’s allegedly on lte. The internet slows on my 7 plus but I don’t drop calls and I can get messages out.

We are just 2 people, I get it. But when I went to look for solutions I was met with tons of posts and videos showing this is more widespread then just our use case.
Yeah there's posts on the subject. With some having issues and some not. Something that intermittent seems like a batch of bad hardware.
At work I'm almost always at 1 or 2 bars. No issues.
I'm on IOS 13 beta and my wife is not. We've noticed when driving in and out of signal on our way to camp that my phone will hold signal longer than her phone.
 
No 5G so won't be wasting any of my money.

it will feel well out of date in 6 months time, not good enough for a £1000 phone.

September 2020 should be interesting though.

Huh...5G is pointless until at least next year

I’m hoping the camera improvements will be ground breaking...from sounds we could see some epic improvements to jump above the comp in that area
 
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The cell phone market has peaked. You aren't going to see huge upgrades every year anymore. There's only so much they can do. Better chips, better cameras, better screens. All incremental. Just the way it is now with phones.
Yup. I’m still crazy happy with my X, and I still love the design. A majorly longer lasting battery and another insane camera upgrade would be the two things that could push me, but ONLY if it comes with USB C.
 
Yeah there's posts on the subject. With some having issues and some not. Something that intermittent seems like a batch of bad hardware.
At work I'm almost always at 1 or 2 bars. No issues.
I'm on IOS 13 beta and my wife is not. We've noticed when driving in and out of signal on our way to camp that my phone will hold signal longer than her phone.
Yes, that hardware is intel. It may have been a bad batch that we received months after launch. Bad batch or not it still happened and I wish I had just taken them back when we still could have.
 
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