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New iPods, New Apple Music Service

Burned a CD

I bought a 3 Doors Down album throught the music store, and created a new playlist, burned the album to cd. Popped it into my PC it is recognized as a normal music cd and was able to rip to mp3 with ease no more copy protection, Now putting the CD back into the ibook and having it import yeilds.....(kind: AAC audio file)
the original purchased copy...(kind: PROTECTED AAC audio file) I think this should mean that burning to CD then importing will remove protection and allow use on more than 3 macs, but i do not have that many to test on

Hope this helps, it was interesting to try
 
Re: Re: Re: don't play it loud

Originally posted by dongmin
But I'm disappointed by the catalogue. I haven't browsed it much but 200,000 songs doesn't seem that much. It has to do better than the local Tower.
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I'm a bit disappointed too. 200,000 songs sounds like quite a few, but:

RIAA numbers say that last year they (just the Big Five, not any independants counted in!) produced 25,000-27,000 albums. Even at only 10 songs per album, that's 250,000+ songs, in one year!

200,000 songs is a lot of songs, but will understandably not at all cover every nook and cranny of the recording industry.

Aside from initial depth of content and bandwidth issues at startup (which is normal for an initial launch of a web-based service), this looks very good to me! Both issues, along with those that others are complaining about (US only, Mac only), can be fixed with time. Here's hoping that we beta testers can get the tires kicked and the kinks worked out before the service goes full-access at the end of the year!
 
Originally posted by tazo
I am somewhat confused. Cant you access the online store, this itunes thingy, via the internet? how are pc users with ipods supposed to access this store? I tried it on my pc for kicks and it says, "you must have a mac..etc"

i am guessing pc users are screwed then? nice little coverup there Apple.
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Cover-up? Do you have problems understanding simple statements like "it'll be available on Windows before the end of the year?"
 
Originally posted by tazo
I am somewhat confused. Cant you access the online store, this itunes thingy, via the internet? how are pc users with ipods supposed to access this store? I tried it on my pc for kicks and it says, "you must have a mac..etc"

i am guessing pc users are screwed then? nice little coverup there Apple.
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No coverup at all, SJ did say that it was Apple only right now, But the Windows version would be here before the end of the year. Maybe this means iTunes for Windows, or some other Windows app will access the store.
 
Hate Restrictions

I hate restrictions on what I can do with my music (to the point where I prefer to download songs off of LimeWire from "protected" albums that I own). As I see it, this will NOT take off as long as file sharing services exist because of these restrictions.

I am still not completely sure how all of this works, though. I am sure that as long as I can get unrestricted copies elsewhere, I refuse to settle for restricted copies of the music I buy. I have no problem paying for music, so long as once I do, I can do with it what I please. As I said, I DO purchase CD's, but once I buy them, If they are "protected", I still download all of the tracks.

BTW, quality is only a small issue for me. My stereo equipment is not particularly high-quality, and 128kbps is plenty of quality for my tastes.
 
Originally posted by gandalf55
seems like u can only buy one at a time... would be nice to queue these up and have it rip through em.
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madforit is right. You can add them to your shopping basket and then buy/download them all in one go via the preferences in iTunes.

Originally posted by zigi
Has anyone else noticed how little processor iTunes is using. I'm playing a 192 encoded mp3, and it's fliking between 4-10%. Looks like there have been a number of AltiVec enchancements to the app. It used to jump between ~10-25%, BTW this is on a 2001 733MHz, QS.
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No, but I have noticed it is generally smoother on the Beige (G3), eg when clicking the browse button. No difference on other macs. Searching appears to be slightly slower however, maybe thats due to converting the library?

AppleMatt

(Can't wait to rip all my albums in ACC onto 12" Powerbook when it's delivered!!!)
 
Jagged text

If your not happy with the rough look of the text in the itunes4 update.go to system preferences,general and change"turn off font smoothing for text sizes"to 8.This should sort you out,much easier on the eyes.
 
Originally posted by Doctor Q
Personal note: Apple showed an infomercial with Alanis Morissette. Last week she was in a recording studio the day before I visited that same studio. Too bad I didn't go a day earlier and bump into her. Maybe I could have learned about it early and had a big scoop to report!
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HA! Good Luck! When I was in college I was vice chair of our concerts committee. We brought Alanis to our school right after jagged little pill was released (before she got huge). Talk about Diva. No one from the school was allowed in the "backstage area" (hallways of the sports dept). We had to relay all information through her bodyguards. I _doubt_ you would have bumped into her. Sorry, but we had some real punks come and perform (you of course don't know until they're booked) and Alanis was by far the worst (jewel was a distant second).

matchbox20 (back then it was numeric and there was no space between the letters (promoters rules)) OTOH were amazingly nice and came out aftwards for pictures and autographs... but i digress.

-p
 
3-Mac limitation

Three Mac limitation. That's a bit hard to swallow for me. I'm not 100% positive how it's been implemented, but it appears to be the "authorize/deauthorize" mechanism described here a few days ago.

So, I have my music on my three Macs, and one of them dies. I buy a new Mac to replace the old one. What happens to my music? The old Mac is dead, and won't boot up to "deauthorize" itself on my files. Is there a way to "deauthorize" the Mac without the machine booting up?

Alternative scenarios: My laptop is stolen, or lost, I replace my hard drive (alt issue: where is the "key" to the machine, in the hard drive or elsewhere?), I reformat the drive, etc.

I'd like to see this figured out before I spend too much money on restricted-use files. Of course, doubtless there will be sub-legal ways of breaking this restriction, but I'd prefer an officially-sanctioned recovery mechanism.
 
New iPod Differences

New iPods look sweet. Here's a comparison of the old models with the new ones:

DIMENSIONS:
OLD
Size and weight (5GB model)
• Height: 4.0 in
• Width: 2.4 in
• Depth: 0.78 in
• Weight: 6.5 oz (185 g)
Size and weight (10GB model)
• Height: 4.0 in
• Width: 2.4 in
• Depth: 0.72 in
• Weight: 6.5 oz (185 g)
Size and weight (20GB model)
• Height: 4.0 in
• Width: 2.4 in
• Depth: 0.84 in
• Weight: 7.2 oz (204 g)

NEW
Size and weight (15GB model) (Same as New 10GB model)
• Height: 4.1 in
• Width: 2.4 in
• Depth: 0.62 in
• Weight: 5.6 oz (158 g)
Size and weight (30GB model)
• Height: 4.1 in
• Width: 2.4 in
• Depth: 0.73 in
• Weight: 6.2 oz (176 g)


BATTERY LIFE:
OLD
Built-in rechargeable lithium polymer battery (1200 mAh)
• Playtime: 10 hours when fully charged

NEW
Built-in rechargeable lithium ion battery (630 mAh)
• Playtime: 8 hours when fully charged

AUDIO:
OLD
• Up to 20 minutes of skip protection
NEW
• Up to 25 minutes of skip protection


Of course, the capacities changed, along with supported file types (addition of AAC) and the feature set is different, but I thought these changes in specs were interesting (I actually really wanted to see the differences in size/weight). Environmental requirements stayed the same, even though the new version is claimed to be more "rugged."
 
I can see why Apple do not want you to download the same track over and over...because you could log on at more than 3 machines and therefore break the agreement...

...but I agree fully with the comments here, reformatting, stolen, corrupted, incomplete downloads etc etc.

Perhaps after pushing through feedback (hint hint ;)) they will reconsider.

AppleMatt
 
Just a few notes on iTunes 4...

i. As has been mentioned it uses much less CPU time...

ii. Visuals are smoother/better (even tho' oddly I'm still getting the same frame rates as before - which on a 600 iMac is only about 14 ;)

iii. The album art is displayed with the song title during visual playback ;) Now just got to wait for someone to come up with a nice little app to automatically download the album art off Amazon (like Clutter does)...

iv. It's got a proper volume slider - rather than the rather dodgy gradated thing it had before...

v. It's green! Which actually sort of messes up the aesthetics of my dock, but I'm sure I can cope...

I was never expecting the store to be a worldwide thing at launch... mores the pity. As to the errors, I downloaded iTunes 4 as soon as it became available and was able to browse quite peacefully until all you lot jumped on the bandwagon... then nothing but errors. :(

jx
 
In case y'all didn't know, I downloaded a song and I couldn't download it right now. (Download failed) It tells you to go to advanced an check purchased music. Then it tries again. No worries on getting what you paid for.
 
new iPods

Based on ThinkSecret's great artist preview - I had already decided that I didn't care much for the new iPod design. Nothing against those who like it, I just prefer the "current" iPod.

For those of you like me....I just bought the "current" 10GB iPod from the Apple store for $249, inlcuded are the remote, and case, which are not included with the new 10GB iPod.

Just thought I'd pass that along.

iTunes4 should be great though. I think I'll reinstall of my music as AAC now :)

Tim
 
Originally posted by Pepzhez
Unless Apple's DRM technology is far more advanced than any extant system out there, it appears to me that it would be relatively simple to get around any restrictions. What is to prevent one from burning the library to standard redbook CD, then reimporting the burned selctions back to the HD - thus eliminating any and all tagged restrictions? (Then again, perhaps itunes 4 applies this restriction on ALL files imported into the playlist, whether it is a purchased song or the recording you yourself made of your grandmother singing. We will find out soon enough!)
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The last I heard the goal here wasn't "airtight security" (which is impossible ... if you can hear it it can be recorded and copied plain and simple), but "casual security", meaning it takes a moment or two of thought and maybe research before the average Joe breaks copyright, during which time he'd hopefully either realize that breaking copyright is wrong or maybe come across a web site detailing exactly wy it is wrong.

Airtight security has been a goal for DRM for quite some time. It is an unachievable goal. At some point, making your security more airtight begins inconveniencing your customers, and you end up with airtight security only because no one has or wants your content to begin with.
 
Originally posted by CrackedButter
People not seen the musicmatch for ipod on the ipod information page?

No itunes for windows...
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According to the main page of MR, itunes for PC is quite likely.

Anyways is anyone else annoyed about the font changing in itunes4 its really bugging me. (I know if i try hard enough i can change it - and im quite lazy actually)
 
Well, Apple just reached into my wallet and took over $500 today! (Not that I'm complaining) I can't wait to get my new 30 GB ipod!

Here is what I am wondering . . . On the large icon on the main Apple store page it says the following:
"Order today and get your new iPod by Friday afternoon"
I paid the $8 for 2 day shipping, but the order status page shows a ship date of Friday May 2nd.

Isn't the ship date usually the date it leaves the shipping dock at Apple?

P.S. In order to curb the potential for even larger amounts of money flowing from my wallet, I am planning to wait a few weeks before I register for the new music service.
 
Originally posted by starflyer 59
So, when you download, can you only keep it in your download tracks folder or can you eventually move it out of there and put it in your library and treat it as if you ripped it yourself.....
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You can move it anywhere, but it will still be encoded as protected AAC. That's where the DRM restrictions come: from the encoding, not from the file system placement.
 
The fabolous about this is that you can hear about 30 seconds of every track you want... something that you haven´t when planning to buy an ordinary CD. Because maybe you will never ear a track like that in MTV or a radio station.
 
Long tracks

One interesting note, searched for Moving Pictures (Rush) and found that the track, "The Camera Eye", which is over 11 minutes long, is not available for sale on it's own. The price is blank and the button says "View Album". The same is true for 2 long tracks on Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon. (track times: Time, 7:06 and Us and Them, 7:40)

[edit] Dark Side of the Moon costs $14.99 too BTW.
 
Re: Burned a CD

Originally posted by zyuzin4
I bought a 3 Doors Down album throught the music store, and created a new playlist, burned the album to cd. Popped it into my PC it is recognized as a normal music cd and was able to rip to mp3 with ease no more copy protection, Now putting the CD back into the ibook and having it import yeilds.....(kind: AAC audio file)
the original purchased copy...(kind: PROTECTED AAC audio file) I think this should mean that burning to CD then importing will remove protection and allow use on more than 3 macs, but i do not have that many to test on

Hope this helps, it was interesting to try
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Your experiment was quite interesting. One thing seems odd: If you imported an MP3, why did it show it as an "AAC audio file"?
 
Re: Efficient iTunes

Originally posted by zigi
Has anyone else noticed how little processor iTunes is using. I'm playing a 192 encoded mp3, and it's fliking between 4-10%. Looks like there have been a number of AltiVec enchancements to the app. It used to jump between ~10-25%, BTW this is on a 2001 733MHz, QS.

Later
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Yes I noticed this even on my old iMac DV G3. It works way smoother and is pulling less on the processor. So even without Alti-Vec there are benefits. Thank you Apple.
 
Re: Re: Burned a CD

Originally posted by Doctor Q
Your experiment was quite interesting. One thing seems odd: If you imported an MP3, why did it show it as an "AAC audio file"?
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Oh I imported to MP3 on the PC and AAC on the mac. Both worked fine and my non protected AAC files sound fine with no beeps that have been previously mentions. BTW i do not use Quicktime PRO

Mike
 
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