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Who gives a damn whether you hate being associated with Mac users, it's a bloody computer and those people who use PC's are 10X worse than Apple users.What really bugs me is that as soon as Microsoft aired their recent ads, many Mac users dismissed them, quite verbally, saying they did sweet FA to actually advertise their products. Well, as soon as Apple do exactly the same (and to an even lesser degree I might add), they are all hailed as 'funny' and 'great' and 'better than Microsoft could have ever achieved'. It's for these reason why I sometimes hate being associated with Mac users.
Yesterday's technology. why would anyone buy yesterday's computer technology since it changes so quickly. For those of us needing small form factor laptops (I was prepared to buy two MB's for field production) with firewire, Apple has abandoned us.
Another useless post, what is this "fanboy" word people keeps throwing around, shows how shallow you are.
It's petty
Um, if the point is to attract PC users, then why is apple making fun of us pc users?
I was considering a Mac and I _had been recommending them to family members, but these negative political style ads have put me off again from Apple. They are coming across as elites and so they can stay that way as far as I'm concerned.
Um, if the point is to attract PC users, then why is apple making fun of us pc users?
I was considering a Mac and I _had been recommending them to family members, but these negative political style ads have put me off again from Apple. They are coming across as elites and so they can stay that way as far as I'm concerned.
GREED and wastefull spending,highlights MS corporate guilt.
Bean counter was very funny and the "v" word headlines that MS spent $300 million punching thin air!
When greed and corporate waste are on so many peoples minds,these ad's cut deep and leave MS looking like the corporate crooks that they really are.
Bean counter was very funny and the "v" word headlines that MS spent $300 million punching thin air!
When greed and corporate waste are on so many peoples minds,these ad's cut deep and leave MS looking like the corporate crooks that they really are.
That's the whole point. I spend 75% of my day maintaining my and client's Windows computers/servers (cleaning spyware, running virus checks, defraging, cleaning out IE caches and cookies, rebooting, making sure my virus and spyware engines have the latest dat files, implementing latest security checks and updates, backing out updates that broke certain apps, making sure my backup ran correctly, fixing broken or crashed software, figuring why SQL runs one day and not the next, dealing with IE issues when opening large files, dealing with system resource issues, etc).
Why do i want to spend 75% of my day maintaining my computer, so that I have no problems
that's the whole point of mac, and end-to-end solution. 6 months + on a mac and I have yet to have to reload my hard-drive, have problems, etc. windows, every 3-6 months I have to cleanly format the harddrive and reload windows just to deal with OS problems.
so yes, there are reasons why I became a fanboy. I work with windows (Xp, servers, SQL, etc) every day.
But thanks to MS and their mess, I have a job and pleanty of work - frustrating and long hours, but I have work; although I would much rather spend my time developing something useful.....
*Edit - oh and 2007 /2008 have got to be the worst year for MS apps in regards to usefullness and stability - Hmmm, guess Balmer can't handle it. Not only Vista, but updates, office, VPC, etc have their problems and we have to resort to older versions.
Interesting. I wonder how good you are at your job. I teach high school video production and we have a mixed editing lab (although, mostly Macs) and I have as many problems with the Macs as I do the PC's. But honestly, very few problems with either. I have been using Vista for 6 months without any problems at all, and that's running programs like After Effects.
I've been using Macs since 1984 and I have enjoyed them (I'm a computer agnostic. they are a tool, and I use the best tool for the job at hand). But if they continue to go the direction they are (removing firewire from the MB) then I'll be forced to move in a direction where what I need still works. An "end to end " solution would have a small form factor laptop in the mix.
There can also be differences in how the money is spent. For example, I see a lot of MS advertisements in print (Magazines, etc) for Microsoft. Also, they might be also spending some of their money by subsidizing Dell, HP, etc, hardware ads (similar to how Automakers help pay for local dealership ads).
Since you wanted a hijacking...
Most beef sold is hamburger rather than steak, so obviously burgers taste better?
In any event, the crux of the FW debate is partially that some portion of existing Apple customers have built up a not-insignificant installed base of Firewire peripherals in the post-SCSI era, and the interface was supported across the entire product line. However, the key is that for Apple to get rid of FW before something demonstrably better is available is a clear step backwards, and a dangerous precidence.
I have no qualms with Apple offering a 'Switcher' product, but the underlying disconcerting issue is that Apple appears to be willing to sacrifice their relationship to existing customers in order to cater to expansion through new, unproven consumers ... historially, this is a bad business decision in a down economy.
Perhaps that's because you're only 23 years old, and you still consider the task of resolving various computer glitches to be "interesting" instead of frustrating.
I'm willing to wager that those who have no issues with Windows/PCs actually know how to use and maintain a computer.
The eye-opener is to be exposed to a different OS after you've been eating the MS dogfood for years. It isn't until then that you realize: "Hey, I've been eating freaking DOG FOOD!"
The truism is that you're happy until you realize that there's something better, and you don't have to be content eating dog food.
YMMV. Personally, I've also been using both OS's for decades and its not that I can't jump through the hoops but rather that I find the need to do so far more frequently on Windows to be banal.
In general, what has happened is that my personal tolerance for "stupid stuff" is lower, because I know that there's better alternatives. Sure, sometimes they cost more, but that's mostly because dog food is cheap.
I used to do that myself, back before you were born. Don't presume that you're somehow smarter or more special than all the other readers.
Some ... perhaps many? ... of us came through our early 20s with the same approach and attitude that you're manifesting. This included DIY building PCs because we could make "better" systems that cost "less" and so forth.
The bottom line? We were simply willing to spend our free time doing something that we gained entertainment from, even though in many cases, the form of "entertainment" was the glee to be saving money. The fallacy is that we considered our free time to be free, whereas it really is not.
Perhaps as your free time becomes more limited, you'll choose to change the way that you spend it. And for part of that, perhaps you'll decide choose to "throw money at" various challenges so that they consume less of your time. Doesn't matter if it is DIY building a PC, or paying someone to pull an oil change in your car instead of doing it yourself...life is full of trade-offs.
I no longer consider the care & feeding of a PC to be an interesting, "fun" to do hobby, so I no longer DIY build my own PCs, and I choose PCs that I have learned are of demonstrably lower maintenance. Ultimately, its my time and I'll choose to spend it as I wish.
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That was funny, don't mind these dudes, they take life too serious.
Ah it just gets on my tits all these idiot shouting fanboy (or even sadder 'fanbio' ) every 5 mins. Thing is, these so called fanboi's are far from the obedient servant of Apple they are made out to be, they simply happen to agree with apple on the subject being discussed.
I would like a word for them (other than ****), and I'm thinking maybe 'Lefty' as they often lack the 'right brain' capacity to have vision, foresight and imagination.
What a bunch of Lefties
I liked the bean counter's 'punchline' at the end where he moves all the money over to the advertising side. I like the second one better now, now that i understand it more. I didn't notice that microsoft's ads didn't ever mention Vista. Very clever.
I don't think these ads were made because Apple feels threatened. I think it's more to take advantage of yet another Microsoft failure, and using it against them.
I don't think these ads were made because Apple feels threatened. I think it's more to take advantage of yet another Microsoft failure, and using it against them.
I still like these, although I can't help thinking about how much $$$ Apple has wasted on their ad campaign...
Smear Campaign Ads!
Are Mac and PC up for election?
The new ad is great! It definitely made me laugh.
Are Mac and PC up for election?
The new ad is great! It definitely made me laugh.
Negativity or Reality?
This line about too much negativity is tired. So, what, no one can criticize their competition or opposition anymore? We can only say positive things? Guess what, the world is not always positive, and there are legitimate negative things to say that people need to hear. Vista has its problems. Just ask any user who tried to update Quicken 2008 to release 8 in Vista through the auto-updater. You don't want people to know about the problems? Apple should only say good things about themselves and ignore the competition's shortcomings? That's just foolish.
Our world is in trouble when we can no longer make pointed criticisms of others in the marketplace of ideas, whether in an Apple ad or in a political campaign.
This line about too much negativity is tired. So, what, no one can criticize their competition or opposition anymore? We can only say positive things? Guess what, the world is not always positive, and there are legitimate negative things to say that people need to hear. Vista has its problems. Just ask any user who tried to update Quicken 2008 to release 8 in Vista through the auto-updater. You don't want people to know about the problems? Apple should only say good things about themselves and ignore the competition's shortcomings? That's just foolish.
Our world is in trouble when we can no longer make pointed criticisms of others in the marketplace of ideas, whether in an Apple ad or in a political campaign.
I would like a word for them (other than ****), and I'm thinking maybe 'Lefty' as they often lack the 'right brain' capacity to have vision, foresight and imagination.
What a bunch of Lefties
Some on this side of the pond might find **** appropriate, but objectionable. And, while the derivation of your lefty term fits, since the rabid right in this country is always referring to Lefties, I'm sort of proud of that moniker. Maybe we could just call them "BCs" (Bean Counters), Beanies, or "BBs" (Bean Brains).
I am just getting sick and tired of the word firewire, every damn thread is hijacked by people whining about firewire.
really, I have not used that port in 5 years. I transfer a lot of data through USB and every drive I bought in the last 3 years was USB. Works fine for me. and if I was running a server that used drives heavily or transferred lots of data all day - it would be an internal drive, or on a SAN. external drives heat up too fast and are not made to handle that dataflow.
Also, every peripheral I bought in the last 4 years was USB2.0 (drives, cameras, smart phone, etc). have a feeling firewire is on its way out. USB2.0 was quicker than the original fireware, then a new firewire came out. then USB 3.0 is supposed to be quicker than that. What's good about USB? backward compatibility for slower 2.0 and 1.0 without needing a separate cable or converter plug (hence the name Universal Serial Bus).
I can walk up to any computer that has a USB and 99% of the time my device works. However with firewire, the port may be different.
Hense the same with Display Port - a universal plug that will run HDMI, VDA, DVI, etc. Just, since it is new - you need a converter for it. I think the day is coming where Display Port is the new USB.
Same with the old Beta/VHS argument. Beta certainately better, however VHS won out (although that was due to marketing and opening the format to others) and became the standard.
So Firewire may be better, but USB is more the adopted format.
The amount of fanaticism in this thread makes me sick.
I love Apple products (my Macbook Pro is like my child, and I treat it better than I probably would any child) and the previous Mac vs. PC ads were amusing, don't get me wrong, but it's ads like these and posters like the ones in this thread who annoy me. At least in the previous ads, the Mac character gave a few reasons as to why a Mac was better. These new ads are now just beating a dead horse. Yes, we all know Vista sucks and could've been handled much better, but to devote new commercials entirely to bashing Vista is just plain stupid. The public knows that Vista has its problems, but instead of just telling them that it does, they need more commercials that tout the better features of Mac OS X and why you should consider an Apple computer over another brand for your next purchase.
And you users who blather on about how if you don't like the price of an Apple machine that you deserve another brand annoy me to no end. There are plenty of reasons as to why your average computer user (who usually knows nothing about a computer other than how to turn it on and use the web) still buys a computer with Vista rather than a Mac.
1. Price point. Especially with the economy in the state it is, people are watching their wallets and making sure to budget carefully. As such, they're not going to want to shell out $1200 for a computer ($600 if they already have a monitor, keyboard, and mouse) when they can just pay $3-400 and get a complete machine that will do what they want (in the case of your average computer user, all they'll want to do is browse the web and type up stuff in MS Word, and Vista does that fine).
2. Usability. Although Mac OS X is probably the easiest OS to pick up and use out there, over 90% of the user market has grown up on Windows, and as such, doesn't want to have to relearn how to use their computer for basic tasks, even though it wouldn't take that much effort or time. People are stubborn in their ways.
3. Compatibility. Although yes, this point should be moot because you can install Windows on a Mac computer, the average computer user won't be able to run some of the programs they're used to. This then ties right back into price point. Why buy a $1200 computer when you can just plunk down $300 and get something that functions just the same?
4. Widespread adoption. The majority of users who use Windows use it because the Dells, Compaqs, and HPs of the world come with it.
4. Fanatics. I know plenty of people who would gladly switch in a heartbeat, but don't because they don't want to be associated with the infamously rabid Apple fanbase. I personally don't care what people think about me because of my computer, but I know plenty of people who do, and would rather not be affiliated with a group that is known to be fanatical, raving elitists.
This post is probably TL;DR and some of you will call me a PC fanboy, but I don't care. Just telling it how I see it. I love Apple products and will continue to purchase them in the future, but I also plan on buying some generic PCs or building a few of my own and running both Windows and Linux.
I love Apple products (my Macbook Pro is like my child, and I treat it better than I probably would any child) and the previous Mac vs. PC ads were amusing, don't get me wrong, but it's ads like these and posters like the ones in this thread who annoy me. At least in the previous ads, the Mac character gave a few reasons as to why a Mac was better. These new ads are now just beating a dead horse. Yes, we all know Vista sucks and could've been handled much better, but to devote new commercials entirely to bashing Vista is just plain stupid. The public knows that Vista has its problems, but instead of just telling them that it does, they need more commercials that tout the better features of Mac OS X and why you should consider an Apple computer over another brand for your next purchase.
And you users who blather on about how if you don't like the price of an Apple machine that you deserve another brand annoy me to no end. There are plenty of reasons as to why your average computer user (who usually knows nothing about a computer other than how to turn it on and use the web) still buys a computer with Vista rather than a Mac.
1. Price point. Especially with the economy in the state it is, people are watching their wallets and making sure to budget carefully. As such, they're not going to want to shell out $1200 for a computer ($600 if they already have a monitor, keyboard, and mouse) when they can just pay $3-400 and get a complete machine that will do what they want (in the case of your average computer user, all they'll want to do is browse the web and type up stuff in MS Word, and Vista does that fine).
2. Usability. Although Mac OS X is probably the easiest OS to pick up and use out there, over 90% of the user market has grown up on Windows, and as such, doesn't want to have to relearn how to use their computer for basic tasks, even though it wouldn't take that much effort or time. People are stubborn in their ways.
3. Compatibility. Although yes, this point should be moot because you can install Windows on a Mac computer, the average computer user won't be able to run some of the programs they're used to. This then ties right back into price point. Why buy a $1200 computer when you can just plunk down $300 and get something that functions just the same?
4. Widespread adoption. The majority of users who use Windows use it because the Dells, Compaqs, and HPs of the world come with it.
4. Fanatics. I know plenty of people who would gladly switch in a heartbeat, but don't because they don't want to be associated with the infamously rabid Apple fanbase. I personally don't care what people think about me because of my computer, but I know plenty of people who do, and would rather not be affiliated with a group that is known to be fanatical, raving elitists.
This post is probably TL;DR and some of you will call me a PC fanboy, but I don't care. Just telling it how I see it. I love Apple products and will continue to purchase them in the future, but I also plan on buying some generic PCs or building a few of my own and running both Windows and Linux.
Are Mac and PC up for election?
The new ad is great! It definitely made me laugh.
Hmm I wish! =)
Jobs/Joe Plumber 08!
Sorry, but what a pathetic post.
I hope you were joking
amazing - really? They're just the same crap Apple have been doing for years, it stopped being funny a while back, and no one in the world cares anymore.
What is even more funny is that PC people signed up for this sight just to counter our arguments as to why the LAME pc ads are meaningless. Funny how PC users are threatened by the growth of Apple
