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New Mac Ads: V Word and Bean Counter
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I'm getting kinda tired of these Windows/PC bashing commercials. Witty as they are, they're just too negative. Apple should really start focusing on the positives of Macs (the hardware & software). Take the high road, Apple! I know bashing Windows is easier, but that doesn't make it the right thing to do.
A second meaning of the ad "V Word"
Microsoft registered a patend for a technology which adds automatically a beep in a live stream when a bad word is spelled:
http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-...7,437,290.PN.&OS=PN/7,437,290&RS=PN/7,437,290
German article:
http://www.heise.de/newsticker/Micr...r-automatischen-Sprachzensor--/meldung/117645
A bit too random that Microsoft registers such a patent while Apple produces at the same time a spot with a simplified version of this "technology" (beeep
).
Anyway, nice Job marketing team of Apple!
Regards,
Benny
Microsoft registered a patend for a technology which adds automatically a beep in a live stream when a bad word is spelled:
http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-...7,437,290.PN.&OS=PN/7,437,290&RS=PN/7,437,290
German article:
http://www.heise.de/newsticker/Micr...r-automatischen-Sprachzensor--/meldung/117645
A bit too random that Microsoft registers such a patent while Apple produces at the same time a spot with a simplified version of this "technology" (beeep
).Anyway, nice Job marketing team of Apple!
Regards,
Benny
WTH does that have to do with FireWire?
Geez, talk about a thread that has veered way off track... 
Ad not funny for "no knowledge" viewers
My daughters [4] like the Mac ads for the characters and simple arguments. The bean one left them cold, I don't think they connect the "I'm a PC" ad with Microsoft.
I did think the FW version [reversal] witty.
My daughters [4] like the Mac ads for the characters and simple arguments. The bean one left them cold, I don't think they connect the "I'm a PC" ad with Microsoft.
I did think the FW version [reversal] witty.
Why why WHY!?!?!?
Why did they forgo the BEST response ad of all?... The fact that the ads that aired were shown to have been made on....
a mac.
Why did they forgo the BEST response ad of all?... The fact that the ads that aired were shown to have been made on....
a mac.
Here is my two cents:
I am currently taking a class on Vista(the class is required for my major) and have been studying it for a while now. I can honestly say now that there is no way in the world that any company would ever switch to Vista (or possibly even windows 7 for that matter). The security features that have been impliemnted (mainly UAC) are good but I can guarantee that UAC would be a candidate for been disabled on the enterprise domain because of the hassles that it creates.
I am currently taking a class on Vista(the class is required for my major) and have been studying it for a while now. I can honestly say now that there is no way in the world that any company would ever switch to Vista (or possibly even windows 7 for that matter). The security features that have been impliemnted (mainly UAC) are good but I can guarantee that UAC would be a candidate for been disabled on the enterprise domain because of the hassles that it creates.
The ad's were great! Apple does such a great job getting the point across with simplicity and style. Can't say the same for the MS ad's. I have watched them and leave the room stumped.
How do you figure that? They've made tons of money over the past 3 years and Mac sales are higher than they've ever been.
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I think you need to read what I was saying. But I'm not going to explain again for your ignorance.
I thought the ads were pretty funny, they both made me literally laugh out loud.
Of all the computer/electronics companies out there, Apple has had the best ads. They are often clever, funny and memorable, and frequently copied.
Of all the computer/electronics companies out there, Apple has had the best ads. They are often clever, funny and memorable, and frequently copied.
USB - Firewire tangent
While "lots of data" is in the eye of the beholder, give yourself a pat on the back for thus being lucky to be unaffected. I have a USB2 scanner in storage out in my garage that I replaced with a Firewire one a couple of years ago because the USB was so painfully slow in transferring 1GB sized scans, and I really don't look "forward" to "upgrading" back to USB2.
Hardly. The first 1024 bytes would get there 50 milliseconds sooner in USB2 (hardly significant), but otherwise, USB2 averages around 40% less throughput than FW400 due to high overhead, which makes it "slower" in transferring the actual useful data. The bottom line to all of this is that all interfaces useful ("real world") bandwidth is always calculated by:
Useful Bandwidth = (Total Bandwidth) - (Bandwidth consumed by overhead).
The jury is still out on what USB3's throughput performance is going to be, and if that will be faster-vs-slower than FW3200.
What is known today is that FW3200 has reported a protocol overhead rate of only 3%. As such, FW3200 is deliver around 3.1Gbps useful.
Turning to USB3, its protocol overhead rate is still "TBD". If USB3 operates as inefficiently as USB2, it will only deliver 2.4Gbps useful. There is talk that USB3 will use less overhead than USB2, but I've not yet seen any real world numbers. Simplistically, USB3 needs to double their efficiency vs. USB2 in order to be measurably (10-15%) faster than FW3200. Time will tell.
Guess what happens when you put a USB3 equipped peripheral through a USB2 hub to your USB3 equipped PC? You get USB2 speeds.
Similarly, a USB3 peripheral--USB2 cable--USB3 PC ==> USB2 speeds.
Good luck keeping all the "bits and pieces" organized.
What I've also not seen an answer on is what happens when there's a single non-USB3 device anywhere on the port's breakout...will all of the devices have to drop back to USB2 speeds (like what USB2 currently does when any 1.1 is present), or will USB3 be able negotiate individually to each?
What is known about USB3 is that there will be a controller chip required, so its cost advantage vs. FW will be gone, and considering that the cables will include fiber, they're not initially going to be cheap.
With USB, there's two different "A" plugs and three different "B" plugs: USB-A, USB-B, Mini-B, Micro-A, and Micro-B. Personally, I've found that flash drives typically use USB-B and cameras/phones use Mini-B or Micro-B.
Yes, USB2 is the defacto format; the jury is out on USB3 until it actually ships. At present, it represents a case of the 'Better' (FW400) being killed off because of the 'Good Enough' (USB2) although this really is an Apple failing for not upgrading FW400 to FW800 on previous revisions, so as to help aid it in its differentiation through higher performance (FW800 is ~3x faster than USB2).
Back on subject, I did personally appreciate the new ads, due to their sense of irony and light touch of sarcasm. While you can argue that they require prior consumer knowledge to understand the humor that is being made, when one of the friends in the room go "gets it" laughs up a lung, those who didn't get it are afforded the opportunity for an individualized viral advocacy to take place. Not as dumb as it sounds, particularly when the ads air at events likely to have a larger and mixed audience (eg, football games).
-hh
While "lots of data" is in the eye of the beholder, give yourself a pat on the back for thus being lucky to be unaffected. I have a USB2 scanner in storage out in my garage that I replaced with a Firewire one a couple of years ago because the USB was so painfully slow in transferring 1GB sized scans, and I really don't look "forward" to "upgrading" back to USB2.
Hardly. The first 1024 bytes would get there 50 milliseconds sooner in USB2 (hardly significant), but otherwise, USB2 averages around 40% less throughput than FW400 due to high overhead, which makes it "slower" in transferring the actual useful data. The bottom line to all of this is that all interfaces useful ("real world") bandwidth is always calculated by:
Useful Bandwidth = (Total Bandwidth) - (Bandwidth consumed by overhead).
The jury is still out on what USB3's throughput performance is going to be, and if that will be faster-vs-slower than FW3200.
What is known today is that FW3200 has reported a protocol overhead rate of only 3%. As such, FW3200 is deliver around 3.1Gbps useful.
Turning to USB3, its protocol overhead rate is still "TBD". If USB3 operates as inefficiently as USB2, it will only deliver 2.4Gbps useful. There is talk that USB3 will use less overhead than USB2, but I've not yet seen any real world numbers. Simplistically, USB3 needs to double their efficiency vs. USB2 in order to be measurably (10-15%) faster than FW3200. Time will tell.
Guess what happens when you put a USB3 equipped peripheral through a USB2 hub to your USB3 equipped PC? You get USB2 speeds.
Similarly, a USB3 peripheral--USB2 cable--USB3 PC ==> USB2 speeds.
Good luck keeping all the "bits and pieces" organized.
What I've also not seen an answer on is what happens when there's a single non-USB3 device anywhere on the port's breakout...will all of the devices have to drop back to USB2 speeds (like what USB2 currently does when any 1.1 is present), or will USB3 be able negotiate individually to each?
What is known about USB3 is that there will be a controller chip required, so its cost advantage vs. FW will be gone, and considering that the cables will include fiber, they're not initially going to be cheap.
With USB, there's two different "A" plugs and three different "B" plugs: USB-A, USB-B, Mini-B, Micro-A, and Micro-B. Personally, I've found that flash drives typically use USB-B and cameras/phones use Mini-B or Micro-B.
Yes, USB2 is the defacto format; the jury is out on USB3 until it actually ships. At present, it represents a case of the 'Better' (FW400) being killed off because of the 'Good Enough' (USB2) although this really is an Apple failing for not upgrading FW400 to FW800 on previous revisions, so as to help aid it in its differentiation through higher performance (FW800 is ~3x faster than USB2).
Back on subject, I did personally appreciate the new ads, due to their sense of irony and light touch of sarcasm. While you can argue that they require prior consumer knowledge to understand the humor that is being made, when one of the friends in the room go "gets it" laughs up a lung, those who didn't get it are afforded the opportunity for an individualized viral advocacy to take place. Not as dumb as it sounds, particularly when the ads air at events likely to have a larger and mixed audience (eg, football games).
-hh
Right. Last I looked, Apple makes precisely ONE computer that does not use firewire, a non-pro model.
Edit: Oops... Two (MBA)
Um...operating system? Because you like how the Mac works? Because you're more productive when using a Mac?
For what it's worth, I haven't used my Firewire port in months. Firewire is a better standard technically-speaking, but unfortunately it just never caught on outside of pro equipment, some external hard drives, and tape-based DV camcorders.
Um...operating system? Because you like how the Mac works? Because you're more productive when using a Mac?
ding ding ding ding ding ding... Winner!
Pot-kettle-black.
So Apple spent millions on a campaign to comment on a campaign that spends millions? The ad agency that has handled Apple (for over 25 years) I'm sure has spent WAY OVER 300 million (the estimated advertising budget for windows)
Don't get me wrong, I love Apple but these ads have become very stale even before this "I'm a PC" "I'm a Mac" war began.
So Apple spent millions on a campaign to comment on a campaign that spends millions? The ad agency that has handled Apple (for over 25 years) I'm sure has spent WAY OVER 300 million (the estimated advertising budget for windows)
Don't get me wrong, I love Apple but these ads have become very stale even before this "I'm a PC" "I'm a Mac" war began.
Actually, as an Australian, I don't particularly care about the US presidential campaign (which, by the way, has to be the longest-winded election process in the world... geez, just get to the bloody election already!)
The fact is that it is negative advertising. Positive advertising is when you explain the virtues and features of your own product. You may do so in comparison with your competition, as Apple does very well with their "I'm a PC, I'm a Mac" ads. But purely criticising the competition - how much they're spending on advertising, how much they're ignoring the Vista problem - is negative. It certainly isn't positive, and what's the opposite of positive?
I don't mind the odd tongue-in-cheek ad, but too many of those and you start to look pig-headed and arrogant.
... and for all those hijacking every single thread about the lack of bloody firewire - this is for those whinging about the lack of target disk mode.
Migration assistant (ie: target disk mode) is available over WiFi or Ethernet, both of which the Macbook has. Apple have provided this solution since February 2008, when the Macbook Air arrived. So, please, stop whining about the lack of target disk mode. Because there is no such thing.
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT2288
Migration assistant (ie: target disk mode) is available over WiFi or Ethernet, both of which the Macbook has. Apple have provided this solution since February 2008, when the Macbook Air arrived. So, please, stop whining about the lack of target disk mode. Because there is no such thing.
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT2288
Actually, In my humble experience I would say about 65% of Wintel users do have pretty disappointing experiences with their boxes. I've been with MS since DOS and I've played hell keeping up with all the crud the come out with, but will confess if I want to play numerous games I need a wintel box. Auto updates? The last one they send froze my system. Never have installed service pack 3 because it won't.
I'm no super user nor am I an expert, I'm just part of that average 65% that thinks windows is a hassle.
The first PC I bought took me years to learn how to really use it. I was up and running all the programs I needed on my first Mac in about three hours.
There is a reason why there are so many more Apple fanbois than PC fanbois. Get it?
Windows ads? Are there any? If there are they've never captured my attention. Apple on the other hand cracks me up.
WTH does that have to do with FireWire?
He got you there, eh? Because FauxNews spins hype without giving any actual news, only hatespeak, I think he was reading that into your post.
Amen brother, amen!
Improvised from the infamous words of the Gravediggaz:
You don't pull on Superman's cape
You don't spit into the wind
You don't pull the mask off the old Lone Ranger
and you can't f*** with Apple and their ads.
You don't pull on Superman's cape
You don't spit into the wind
You don't pull the mask off the old Lone Ranger
and you can't f*** with Apple and their ads.