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New Mac OS X 10.5 (9A283) Leopard Seed

mrwilly123 said:
3D audio cues? How would you get anything above 1D audio cues?
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Headphones can reproduce 3D sound... Two speakers to feed the two holes in your head. Time and filter the signals properly and you can put a sound anywhere...

I'll hold back on how amazing the human hearing system is-- but if you ever get the chance to research it, do so.
 
I'm pretty excited about a new finder. With vista having such a cool (okay, it's lots of eyecandy and that sells right?) interface it is making aqua kind of dull.

I'm positive Apple can come up with something that works but looks good and not just vista's eye candy.
 
Well, for as little as has changed from 10.4 to 10.5, I'd put my bets on vista having more bugs.

andiwm2003 said:
is there somewhere in vegas a bet going who's first? vista or leopard? and who has more bugs at release day?
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Analog Kid said:
Headphones can reproduce 3D sound... Two speakers to feed the two holes in your head. Time and filter the signals properly and you can put a sound anywhere...

I'll hold back on how amazing the human hearing system is-- but if you ever get the chance to research it, do so.
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erg not really. you do only have 2 holes in your head as you say, but your hearing is more advanced than that. your brain always factors in all the other elements, like your head position, so your brain notices and calculates the volumes of incoming sounds, so you can distinguish where things are in relation to you. obviously, your brain can't do that with headphones.
 
mrwilly123 said:
3D audio cues? How would you get anything above 1D audio cues?
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Stereo speakers. Most of use can tell if a sound is in front of us or behind or above or below and we only have two ears. You can make 3D recording with ony two channles but the playback geometry has to be near perfect. Synthetic sound cues are not recordings and it need not be perfect to work. All it would have to convey is any one of six basic directions and the users will all be trained to listen for it carfully and wiling to set up the speakers in exact locations. It might be helpfull to someone who is blind. I know some one who is and he can sometimes tell who enters a room and from where before the person speaks. If this is the target user then it need not be perfect or even natural sounding
 
Some_Big_Spoon said:
Well, for as little as has changed from 10.4 to 10.5, I'd put my bets on vista having more bugs.
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That would be a safe bet, Vista is bound to have more bugs than Leopard. Then again, Apple tries to work out bugs before launching as OS, not after the release like M$. :D :)
 
andiwm2003 said:
is there somewhere in vegas a bet going who's first? vista or leopard? and who has more bugs at release day?
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vista is 'out' next month, so its way ahead of leopard. retail shelves, however, will see vista in january i believe.

i think we know the answer to the bugs contest :)
 
ChrisA said:
Stereo speakers. Most of use can tell if a sound is in front of us or behind or above or below and we only have two ears. You can make 3D recording with ony two channles but the playback geometry has to be near perfect. Synthetic sound cues are not recordings and it need not be perfect to work. All it would have to convey is any one of six basic directions and the users will all be trained to listen for it carfully and wiling to set up the speakers in exact locations. It might be helpfull to someone who is blind. I know some one who is and he can sometimes tell who enters a room and from where before the person speaks. If this is the target user then it need not be perfect or even natural sounding
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Technically you need 3 speakers to produce 3d sound. Manufacures claim they can do it with 2 but they don't. You need a center channel to balance the sides.
 
evilgEEk said:
So anyone think there's even a remote chance that Leopard could be available at MWSF '07? ;)

I know, probably wishful thinking, but it would be pretty sweet!
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Looproumors is saying it's coming for MWSF. I hope, but I'm not betting on it.
 
Rocket850 said:
Actually, LoopRumors is reporting that Leopard might be released at Macworld next January.
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If true, that will probably make 10.5.0 worse off than 10.4.0 was, and we all know how bad 10.4.0 was... :rolleyes:
 
kainjow said:
If true, that will probably make 10.5.0 worse off than 10.4.0 was, and we all know how bad 10.4.0 was... :rolleyes:
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heh.. the best version of 10.4 was actually the 10.4.3 x86 build that got leaked onto torrents. Half the time, it didn't couldn't even keep iTunes open without crashing... on a legal computer.. of course...so I heard...:cool:
 
actually, you only need 2 channels for 3d sound (X, Y .... and Z!!!)

Box of Matches

you must listen with headphones though


without headphones you need 3 channels minimum for 2d sound (X, Y)
 
evilgEEk said:
So anyone think there's even a remote chance that Leopard could be available at MWSF '07? ;)

I know, probably wishful thinking, but it would be pretty sweet!
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I do.

What is the very first day of Spring 2007?

I say this is a case of UPOD.

Delivery of 10.5 1-07 with NEW HARDWARE!

Nuke Vista. Nuke other iTV competitor wannabees.

Rocketman
 
kainjow said:
If true, that will probably make 10.5.0 worse off than 10.4.0 was, and we all know how bad 10.4.0 was... :rolleyes:
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Agreed.

I said it then, I'll say it again: Apple take your time.

OS releases come once every 1.5 - 2 years. A little patience, getting more cool features, less bugs, and more speed is well worth the wait.

10.4.0 was terrible. Tiger, in general, has been one big yawn.

Let's hope Leopard gets Apple back on track on the OS innovation front.
 
If there are "top secret" features, I would guess they would have to be apps if it's going to be released at MWSF? There couldn't be significant changes to the operating system without developer testing before then. Unless they are going to introduce the "top secret" features after Vista has shipped (someone was saying that's next month?) But even that seems like a really quick testing phase for developers.
 
Thankfully there will be. I know for a fact that the public build of Leopard is missing a lot of stuff. Most of it simply isn't finished and so not checked into the main Leopard tree. Some of it is simply not checked in because its not ready to be shown. Anyone with access to RADAR can find this info through some interesting searches.
 
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