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New Mac Pro Nearing Release as Apple Advises Technicians How to Place Computer in DFU Mode

cppguy said:
A 7-year old iMac is nothing like today's top of the line. I think it's enough for most people, as long as you stay really far away from the base model with magnetic storage. Even for backup I use an SSD, no magnetic. You may be an exception, if you're really heavy into 8K, RAW video, 360 stitching, CAD, and so on. But very few of us need a Xeon system with multiple GPUs and a reference grading monitor. Again, you might, and that's great.

It's probably not a good idea to keep any computer for 7 years, unless you're just watching movies on it. I have the first 5K iMac that ever came out, and I can't even watch Youtube on it anymore. The fan just spools up after a minute and the machine goes to sleep. As a first-generation product, it didn't age well. And anything static burns into the screen after hours, and it stays burned in for days. I can assure you the latest iMac is nothing like that. I haven't even heard the fan yet, and I do edit 4K video and run VMs.
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And this is why the argument that PCs are crap because they don't last as long as iMacs is bull.
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jlocker said:
Not the same processor, not the same memory ECC or the number of memory slots, not the expansion slots, not the same logic board speed. It is like comparing a long haul semi truck to a chevy pickup. Yes they call haul or pull things but not the same amount and you can put on a half a million miles with out replacement or repair.

And yes it can play these games, you just need to run bootcamp or parallels to do it.
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The high end consumer level Ryzen processor nowadays are much more powerful than Intel. Ryzen also does support ECC.
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There is a way for Apple to satisfy everyone.

License out MacOS for use in PCs.

That would pretty much shut up all complaints about price.
 
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Glockworkorange said:
100% correct. My office pays several thousands of dollars a year on specialized software. We make millions and would have a hard time doing it without that software

These aren’t toys for Apple bloggers and hobbyists. These are machines people use to make a living. If you can’t afford it, you probably don’t NEED IT. Need being the operative word. Need, not want.

Apple has other products for hobbyists and Apple bloggers.
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Absolutely, this (Mac Pro) is not the best solution for watching YouTube, browsing the interwebs with safari, or any of the workloads the average user does. It’s even overkill for a lot of professional software developers.

I don’t think consumers are really the market for this product.
 
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Jessejh said:
If you cant judge the seriousness, you probably dont know enough about the hardware. The base 8 core xeon is basically a consumer i9 9900k but with AVX512 and ECC memory support, with no tangible performance benefit over the consumer chip when it comes to clock speed and IPC. The 580X is a rebrand RX580 from AMD that you can buy for $200 and has good for the price compute power but hardly up to snuff for professionals. 256gb SSD regardless of brand/speed is a joke for any computer over $800 today, let alone a $6000 "workstation".
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I love when someone creates a new account just to post nonsense on an Apple product.
 
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SecuritySteve said:
Trust me, there are plenty of us who want it.
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Big difference between those who WANT and those who will justify buying it at the $6k+ price.

Baymowe335 said:
Is this an attempt to be funny?

The machine is a beast and very capable. If you can't afford it, my advice is to make more money.
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So you are now the one attempting to be funny.
Don't talk down to would be customers, unless you are intent on moving them to other machines. I doubt you would float a loan to anyone.
Sure it's capable, but some of us bought Mac Pro 12 years ago and cannot afford the doubling of the price tag.
 
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SecuritySteve said:
Trust me, there are plenty of us who want it.
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Want is very different from need.
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Baymowe335 said:
Is this an attempt to be funny?

The machine is a beast and very capable. If you can't afford it, my advice is to make more money.
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Haters gonna hate...
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BWhaler said:
I hope Apple sells a ton of these. Blows always projections. It’ll be a nice reminder the Mac really matters and macOS needs to be pro quality.

This is good for all of us.
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That’s just impossible, no matter how good the computer is.
 
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brofkand said:
I'm interested as to how many people will buy these. They seem laser focused on the hollywood/pro video markets, especially considering the new display. Relatively limited market, even for Apple.
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Some said the VERY same with Apple when they released the PowerMac G5, a powerhouse in it's own market for 12mths before the competition finally caught up and whined for legal rights to force apple to pull the title "The Most Power Desktop in the world". They launched the PowerMac G5 with eMagic's Logic (soon purchasing that company and the wealth of knowledge and passion from their founder and the entire team was brought in house. Mac's where used by audio engineers working at concerts music halls etc across the globe. A "limited" market ... BUT they increase audio production quality of their computers, and GarangeBand for the average aspiring musician/hobbyist and soon after GarageBand iOS.

I STILL enjoy listing to that audio guitar riff from John Mayer & Steve Jobs ... now THAT is an Apple presentation! The entire audience LOVED that! I loved it! how many mac's sold that year JUST cause of that performance on stage?! how many musicians today started off with Garageband in their home?!

"Sell IT!" ... "Buy it" shouted from the crowd, who said all hecklers where a nuisance! (That tip right there Apple NEVER banked on to aspiring musicians with Garageband or Logic into iTunes). DO you realize what kind of market Apple could have there?!
 
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Artsketch said:
So no event and no new iPad Pro this year. Maybe only a memory upgrade on the entry 64gb iPad Pro.
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I would be disappointed. I was looking for a new iPad Pro for Christmas : my iPad Pro 10.5” is aging.
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ssgbryan said:
That is because the clone makers made better Macs than Apple......
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Quite on the contrary.
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Internet Enzyme said:
Do you remember when, this spring, there was a week when Apple released a new product every day for like three consecutive days? They release new products without events fairly often, actually. The 2018 MacBook Pros are a good example as well.
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Not an entirely new product like a 16” MacBook Pro...
 
Zdigital2015 said:
As long as my “teenager” can maintain 3.6GHz under sustained load, there is no throttling and I have yet to see a benchmark or real world test show that happening.

The 9900K is not a scam and by all accounts runs better than the 7700K with half the cores.
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It cannot sustain the Turbo Boost speeds, therefore it throttles.


I do not know who invented the lie that CPU does not throttle if it can maintain base clock speed, but cannot maintain it's Turbo Boost speed, but that needs to stop. It is misinforming and false.
 
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StellarVixen said:
It cannot sustain the Turbo Boost speeds, therefore it throttles.


I do not know who invented the lie that CPU does not throttle if it can maintain base clock speed, but cannot maintain it's Turbo Boost speed, but that needs to stop. It is misinforming and false.
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Yep, basicaly the definition is that it adjust the clock speed of the CPU based on the amount of heat it is currently generating. Thermal throttling helps cool the chip when it gets too hot by lowering the speed,so has nothing to do with base clock speed
 
Zdigital2015 said:
Most of the vitriol regarding pricing is from users who genuinely believe that their is no PC or Mac in the modern age that should be priced outside of their reach, which is complete fallacy, but is their firm belief.

Remember how much mud was slung at Apple for pricing the iMac Pro at $4,999 and then it topped out at $13,199? Those same people were apoplectic that Apple would dare price a mere iMac at that sort of price.

And so there are now at least one or two Macs that are outside of their reach and I think they are simply pissed that they cannot really afford one without just cause as you stated.

IIRC, the same thing also happened when the 2013 Mac Pro was released.

I don’t need one, don’t really have the extra amperage in my studio to support 1.4Kw PSU without getting a dedicated circuit put in, regardless. Anyways, First World Problems.
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You’re right, it’s a complete fallacy. It’s like when you watch the latest Marvel movie in the theatre—yeah, the Mac Pro is built to help make THAT kind of thing. It’s overkill for a YouTube channel or your weekly 1 hour podcast, or your wife’s pet photography web site.

Mostly it’s the little Apple bloggers who lust after the machine but bang their wooden spoon on their high chair because it’s too expensive. I’d venture to say 99.999999% of them can do their job perfectly fine with their iMac or iMac Pro or maxed out 15 inch. I’m looking at the all the Relay FM tools and the three clowns from ATP when I say this.
 
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Nice to see, this type of computer gets updated/released for Apple. It seemed to me, that the headless computers (Mac Pro and Mac mini) are dead from there sides.

Well, no, they are here.

I don't need a Mac Pro, but am happy, that it is finally updated and soon here with us.
 
They really need to replace PRO with VIDEO since that's the only profession who will find this useful. It 100% is a pro video machine, but that's about it. NO ONE in 3D, CAD, VR/AR, AI, ML, or any other profession using workstation class hardware will find the machine of use. No CUDA cores, no meaningful cooling, forced on the W3275M when the W3275 is half the price and only a rare rare case for when 2TB RAM is actually needed when the W3275 will do just fine with 1TB RAM. We'll look back on this as Apple's last grasp as the pro market walks away.... I bought by first PC a month ago with a W3275, the CUDA cores the we pro's require, and proper cooling. It's wicked fast, get's the job done, but doesn't have a funny stand story :(
 
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