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Does anyone else think they will do a November event for the first time? October is already wasted.
I refuse to believe they will launch all those new products without an event.
This Mac won't probably won't land in Australia until April...they are just taking too long with this machine.
 
I guess I'll get one after our Series A round! Although really, if I was investor I'd be pissed if I saw one of these...just like I'd be pissed if I saw a company buying a whole bunch of Aerons.

I can't wait to see it in person at the Apple Store.

If I may offer a suggestion...show some restraint and go for a 16” MacBook Pro.

Although Aeron chairs are well regarded, there are other chairs that are less expensive that are just as good or better.


The advice of the other poster about saving your pennies is wise and sage. I never worked at a startup, but had MANY as clients and saw them burn through so much cash needlessly on “perks” and “luxuries” and not watching the balance sheet closely thinking there wasn’t a reckoning coming at the end of the pot of gold.

Instead hire and retain quality talent by not working them to death and paying them well, if not extravagantly.

Thanks for your indulgence.
 
I want to know your definition of "copious". In my engineering work, 128 GB is barely enough, 256 GB is OK, and 512 GB is sufficient, 1 TB is preferred.

Apple's prices are generally competitive, except that you end up getting a 1 socket system, where the same price will buy you a two socket from HP, Dell and Lenovo, with consequantly better scalability (2x the RAM and PCIe mainly)
You have a desk top computer with 1TB of RAM?
 
So I'm assuming they want no one to buy the base config because a base iMac Pro has a better video card and more SSD space for less price.

I think the assumption is that consumers will modify the base model accordingly. I agree with you that the base configuration is not meant to actually sell - sure, they'll probably sell a few to wealthy people wanting "the biggest Mac I can get for a home computer". What they've done is to provide minimum specs for workloads that stress a different part of the computer.

For example, I imagine that a musician working on highly CPU-intensive, RAM-intensive compositions will upgrade the CPU and RAM, probably beyond where the iMac Pro can go (or close enough that they think they might upgrade beyond that in the future). They'll stick a couple of custom audio interface cards in it, and they're likely to use additional PCIe cards for storage. However, they'll keep the 580X, saying "it gets Logic and ProTools on the screen, and that's pretty well all I need a GPU for".

Conversely, a 3D modeler whose calculations are performed entirely on the GPUs may well order dual Vega II Duos, but keep the 8-core CPU, saying "it's plenty to run the macOS, and that's pretty well all it's doing - anything heavy is getting handed off to the big GPUs, and those are REALLY big".

A Hollywood editor might well upgrade CPU, GPU and RAM and add the playback accelerator, with a relatively balanced workload several steps beyond what any iMac Pro can handle.

There may even be specialized applications where 32 GB of RAM is plenty - if everything is happening in the processor cache (some small, but fast financial models). They would need the high-cache CPUs that aren't in the iMac Pro, possibly the GPUs (depending on how the models were written), and the thermal headroom.

None of these uses a base Mac Pro, but they all use different upgrades.
 
Exactly. If you really are on the verge of getting your FIRST round of investor financing, splurge with a nice champagne, and then save your pennies, save your pennies like your life depended on them.

Sincerely,
Mr. Been There Done That

I can dream...but true, the 10k is like 1.5 ftes, so it's mac minis and 2015 refurb mbps for hardware. Maybe for the c round!
 
I want to know your definition of "copious". In my engineering work, 128 GB is barely enough, 256 GB is OK, and 512 GB is sufficient, 1 TB is preferred.

The workstation I use is designed to support 3 double-wide 265 W GPUs, like Quadro RTX 5000s (2080 Ti+) or 2 300 W cards. Has 5 x16 slots and 3 x4s.

Apple's prices are generally competitive, except that you end up getting a 1 socket system, where the same price will buy you a two socket from HP, Dell and Lenovo, with consequantly better scalability (2x the RAM and PCIe mainly)

And it is funny, that people still get a lot of blue screens of death 18 years later on a PC.
 
All the rationalisation in the world won't change the simple fact that Apple doubled the entry price of the Mac Pro.

Over these years, the performance of laptop computers improved a lot, largely reducing the number of the desktop buys, pushing the average price of their components, such as Xeon CPUs, higher and higher to keep being profitable.
 
You have a desk top computer with 1TB of RAM?

512 GB. Didn't have the money to go 1 TB at the time. It will go up to 2 TB with special LRDIMMs.

Nothing special at all: it's about $2800 for 512 GB RAM in today's aftermarket prices. That's about the same price as a single mid-high GPU, the Quadro RTX 5000, or about the same amount that it costs us to license one seat of the engineering software for a month and a half.
 
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Unfortunately, the pricing is ludicrous. I have the money for this beast, but refuse to pay this price. I looked an iMac and decked it out with options and I'm still in the $2500.00 range.
The pricing is fine. Those who need it will buy it. Any pro who uses this to generate revenue is unlikely to be complaining about a $6k base vs. a mythical $3k cut-down version.

It’s a $50/month difference over 5 years, closer to $30-35 after the tax deduction is taken into account. It’s buried in the noise.

No pro is going to be angry and rage that their monthly expenses are $5,050 instead of $5,000 because their computer has too many RAM slots, too many PCIe slots or is too powerful.

For people like you, OP, Apple has other options. You found yours at $2,500. You don’t need the Mac Pro or the 32” monitor, and no need to spend $12,000+ for a Mac Pro. Butit’s there for the ~1% who need (or even want) it.
 
Those who need it will buy it. Any pro who uses this to generate revenue is unlikely to be complaining about a $6k base vs. a mythical $3k cut-down version.

It’s a $50/month difference over 5 years, closer to $30-35 after the tax deduction is taken into account. It’s buried in the noise.

It's a great point.
Why not quadruple the price if you're Apple?
6x?
10x?

New Mac Pro starting at $100k?
Those who need it will buy it, right?

They could offer much better specialized support with a vastly smaller, super high end, user base also.
 
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New Mac Pro starting at $100k?
Those who need it will buy it, right?

Yes.

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28 cores is serious power, not counting what the GPU will be able to do. I'd like to set this running SETI at Home or something on BOINC. But for work, Cinema 4D would fire out those image sequences frighteningly quick. Wow
6 grand vs custom farm. i choose farm instead
 
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The internal Apple document also depicts how the cheese grater front grill is used to shred 60 $100 USD bills.

It shreds 60 $100 Bill's in exchange for a $200 MSRP graphics card, an 8 core xeon (basically a 9900k), 32GB of RAM (pick up at best buy for sub $200 and get rgb as a dumb bonus, and a 256GB SSD that has enough space for some of your family photos and some office documents. You might have some space left over to install a professional program or two. Talk about getting bent over. Sounds like $1000 worth of computer being sold at a 600% markup.
 
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That's the thing I do not get with people making 'fun' of a price. Apple have employees round the world that deal with the analytical side of pricing. They don't just pick a random figure and say "yes, that'll do". There's always a market (when dealing with reputable businesses) for something and just because you are not in the market, doesn't make it a useless overpriced product.
Except when you’re charging $1000 for a monitor stand.
 
Is this an attempt to be funny?

The machine is a beast and very capable. If you can't afford it, my advice is to make more money.

How about instead of an attempt at being funny, I'll just give you the cold hard truth that (in my opinion) is hilarious.
It shreds 60 $100 Bill's in exchange for a $200 MSRP graphics card, an 8 core xeon (basically a 9900k), 32GB of RAM (pick up at best buy for sub $200 and get rgb as a dumb bonus, and a 256GB SSD that has enough space for some of your family photos and some office documents. You might have some space left over to install a professional program or two. Talk about getting bent over. Sounds like $1000 worth of computer being sold at a 600% markup. But it runs MacOS I guess??
 
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This Mac won't probably won't land in Australia until April...they are just taking too long with this machine.

April?!?!?! are you mad. I damn right expect that in my studio by end of December!!! My guess they will announce early November with 14 day CTO's.
Here's hoping!
 
Except when you’re charging $1000 for a monitor stand.

There's always a market :)
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How about instead of an attempt at being funny, I'll just give you the cold hard truth that (in my opinion) is hilarious.
It shreds 60 $100 Bill's in exchange for a $200 MSRP graphics card, an 8 core xeon (basically a 9900k), 32GB of RAM (pick up at best buy for sub $200 and get rgb as a dumb bonus, and a 256GB SSD that has enough space for some of your family photos and some office documents. You might have some space left over to install a professional program or two. Talk about getting bent over. Sounds like $1000 worth of computer being sold at a 600% markup. But it runs MacOS I guess??

I honestly cannot tell if this is serious?
 
I would love to see a comparison to the top $20k version compared to an $5k AMD Threadripper Zen 2 in the new year...
 
How about instead of an attempt at being funny, I'll just give you the cold hard truth that (in my opinion) is hilarious.
It shreds 60 $100 Bill's in exchange for a $200 MSRP graphics card, an 8 core xeon (basically a 9900k), 32GB of RAM (pick up at best buy for sub $200 and get rgb as a dumb bonus, and a 256GB SSD that has enough space for some of your family photos and some office documents. You might have some space left over to install a professional program or two. Talk about getting bent over. Sounds like $1000 worth of computer being sold at a 600% markup. But it runs MacOS I guess??

Like saying my home built car is the same quality as your Mercedes-Benz CLS, ahh not the same quality of production.
 
The pricing is fine. Those who need it will buy it. Any pro who uses this to generate revenue is unlikely to be complaining about a $6k base vs. a mythical $3k cut-down version.

It’s a $50/month difference over 5 years, closer to $30-35 after the tax deduction is taken into account. It’s buried in the noise.

No pro is going to be angry and rage that their monthly expenses are $5,050 instead of $5,000 because their computer has too many RAM slots, too many PCIe slots or is too powerful.

For people like you, OP, Apple has other options. You found yours at $2,500. You don’t need the Mac Pro or the 32” monitor, and no need to spend $12,000+ for a Mac Pro. Butit’s there for the ~1% who need (or even want) it.
100% correct. My office pays several thousands of dollars a year on specialized software. We make millions and would have a hard time doing it without that software

These aren’t toys for Apple bloggers and hobbyists. These are machines people use to make a living. If you can’t afford it, you probably don’t NEED IT. Need being the operative word. Need, not want.

Apple has other products for hobbyists and Apple bloggers.
 
I am not going to lie. I want this MP and XDR display so bad and even being a Pro, is too much money for me to invest in it. I'm a motion graphics independent contractor and I estimate the ideal set up for me might be around $14-17k. That's quite a lot for individuals unless they are extremely successful with lots of high paying clients. For companies in Hollywood, that's not an issue.

I am waiting to see the final prices and if the iMac Pro will get some love soon to make a final decision.
Ideally, for me, a workstation between the iMac Pro - MP price points would fit me well.
Hopefully, an updated iMac Pro using the recently announced Xeon W-22xx CPUs, a revised Vega GPU and Titan Ridge Thunderbolt 3 controllers among other changes and upgrades.
 
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