New Mac Pro Nearing Release as Apple Advises Technicians How to Place Computer in DFU Mode

[ActionableMango]

Plus, this thing can’t play Resident Evil 2 or Red Dead Redemption 2. Not a pro machine. Fact.

I literally can't even.

 

[jlocker]

Fully agree, We got our 3 2010 5,1's going on 9 ash years now and they are still going. They were in the $12k range maxed out 2.93 12 core....******** of RAM, 10GB optical fiber cards. dying for these new ones to be released, we are a mixed OS facility and just got 3 HP Z8's crazy money....$26k each, but I expect the Macs will long out last the PC's.

Amortized over a 5 year period makes the cost much more palatable to the upper management.

Like in the old day's people replace a PC, if they do real work every 4 years and Mac Pro 8 years. So you are paying more with a PC because you are buying a computer twice and only once with the Mac.

 

[Baymowe335]

Very capable?

Well, the problem I see is that anyone who gets this is likely to get at least 1, if not 2 Pro Vega II Duo cards. The $6000 base price I think included a crappy, far from "pro" Graphics card and no RAM/Storage/Basic Processor. If the Pro Vega II Duos are around $2800 a piece to compete with the Titan RTX, then it's basically a $12000 machine.
Not counting the upgraded Processors, extra RAM and HD space everyone will opt for since Apple cripples the entry level of everything it makes and gouges for storage/RAM upgrades.

So yes, this is built for a small market, and for rich people and studios, and yes, they can afford it, but please don't think the $6000 base machine can do anything. That is a $2500 PC as far as performance goes. It has the POTENTIAL to get insane performance, but you'll be dropping $15,000 - $18,000 each or more if you are a studio. You could likely build 2-3 PCS with comparable performance for that $15,000, but then you'd need to hire 2-3 more editors. Likely the cachet of the machine will help them charge their customers 20% more per session and they'll make their money back.

You are build your own PC for cheaper guy, right?

Software also isn't free. GL with Windows.

 

[subjonas]

This is probably pure fantasy, but I want Apple to make a laptop version of this monster. I want a beefy Mac workstation with great cooling and space for a really good gpu that will mostly stay on my desk but that I can fold up and take with me when I occasionally need to.

 

[Metrosey]

I literally can't even.

Computers are only for gaming, didn't you know?



This was sarcasm

 

[subi257]

Full Blown? What do you think you will be spending per computer?

$25-30k each

 

[Baymowe335]

If your argument against someone stating it's too expensive is to say they can't afford it then my advice is to develop better polemic skills.

Ah yes, the it doesn't have value to me so it's too expensive argument.

Again, you can't simply dismiss everything besides commodity hardware because you don't find value in things like quality, service, security, support, and software.

 

[subi257]

$25-30k each

to be equal to the 3 HP Z8's that we just got $26k each

dual 18 core E5/Quadro P8000 GPU/256GB RAM/10GB optical fiber card/.....

 

[darcyf]

Is this an attempt to be funny?

The machine is a beast and very capable. If you can't afford it, my advice is to make more money.

My advice is if you don't need a Mac Pro, don't buy one. Has nothing to do with how much money anyone does or does not make.

 

[Metrosey]

My advice is if you don't need a Mac Pro, don't buy one. Has nothing to do with how much money anyone does or does not make.

Yes, it could have been put a better

 

[Zdigital2015]

This machine is killer!!!! I need a very large carrying bag so i can take it back and forth from work to home!!!!!!! They hardware is state of the art!!!!!!

You should spring for the wheels then...hopefully some enterprising individual will build a protection kit with 4x4 type all-terrain wheels and bumpers to keep things protected. Then all you would need is a seat, a motor and something to steer it.

 

[jicon]

So... low end video card. 4 sticks of memory by default in a six channel memory system... Only 256GB of storage for an expandable tower, asking $3500 too much.

If you're serious professional in to video editing or scientific software, I don't know why you'd bother with Mac OS. Seems most shops use another Unix variant of some kind that can offer superior performance.

What are video editors and scientists running that work better on Mac OS?

 

[kemal]

Suggested edit: "The all-new ?Mac Pro? is potentially a powerhouse, but not in its base configuration[...]"

Four of six memory channels populated
256GB SSD
5 8 0 gpu, really????

 

[NMBob]

I'm interested as to how many people will buy these. They seem laser focused on the hollywood/pro video markets, especially considering the new display. Relatively limited market, even for Apple.

If you want to make a show for ATV+ you will be required to buy one for editing.

 

[BOOMBA]

You are build your own PC for cheaper guy, right?

Software also isn't free. GL with Windows.

Not at all. I have only built one PC (for my son for gaming). I've been a Mac graphics guy for 20 years. But I DO look at benchmarks and price comparisons on things like NVidia cards and AMD processors, and on things I do, like exporting video from Media Encoder, PCs are faster than Macs by a factor of many times. I would hope even the most Fanboy of Apple Fanboys can admit the trashcan design for a PROFESSIONAL machine was insane. Almost as insane as not updating that design for 7 or 8 years, leaving us Pros all looking longingly at PCs specs. If you only are a MacBook user you likely don't look at things like graphics cards and such as much, but there is a TON of potential speed that Apple has not tapped over the years, and those of us who stuck loyally by our Trash cans have honestly wasted months waiting for renders needlessly due to our slower hardware, just so a "pro machine", which should be under a desk or in another room in a REAL production facility, could look cute on a desk.

 

[robbysibrahim]

I'm having pre-release excitement and am so happy for the professionals finally getting what they needed for so long!

 

[anthogag]

$6,000 US...today‘s rate...$7,900 CDN. I was hoping this pro would be $5,000 CDN.

 

[mannyvel]

Frankly, you can build your own PC with Ryzen

I always love it when people say this. Frankly, I could eat my own leg, do my dental work at home, and max out my PC with 384GB of non-EEC RAM, or use Windows. But why would I want to?

 

[jlocker]

My advice is if you don't need a Mac Pro, don't buy one. Has nothing to do with how much money anyone does or does not make.

It is called a savings account i have been saving for a new Mac for 2 and a half years now and have saved enough to get pretty much anything i want and i have a lower middle income so i had to save for it.

 

[Labeno]

Does anyone else think they will do a November event for the first time? October is already wasted.
I refuse to believe they will launch all those new products without an event.

I'm getting used to companies using a broad time frame, and delivering on the last day of the wide time frame. Expect the Mac Pro on Dec 20 (last day before winter).

 

[tito2020]

I'm interested as to how many people will buy these. They seem laser focused on the hollywood/pro video markets, especially considering the new display. Relatively limited market, even for Apple.

You will be the 1st to buy it lol

 

[talltree]

I'm interested as to how many people will buy these. They seem laser focused on the hollywood/pro video markets, especially considering the new display. Relatively limited market, even for Apple.

I think it'll be a similar percentage of buyers who want the Dodge Challenger, the Camaro Z28, or the brand new Ford Shelby GT500 with the TREMEC 7-Speed Dual Clutch and $19k Carbon Fiber Track Pack. In other words: plenty of us. We don't make Hollywood movies or do CGI. In my humble example, I just love instantaneous and quiet power. And I always remember paying $5,020 in 1996 dollars (equivalent to $8200 today) for that Powerbook 520c. So this $6500 is kinda of deal compared to that.

 

[hermes16]

Device Firmware Upgrade

Still funny, and if the T2 chip bricks the device it will be iconic.

 

[theluggage]

So yes, this is built for a small market, and for rich people and studios, and yes, they can afford it, but please don't think the $6000 base machine can do anything. That is a $2500 PC as far as performance goes.

You hit the nail on the head. Those of us complaining are the ones who would happily (well... slightly grumpily) have bought a $3000-$4000 tower Mac with reasonable internal expansion - something that the Mac Pro range used to offer. I guess a few will stump up $6000 for a tower with a smaller SSD and inferior GPU to an $5000 iMac Pro that includes a $1000 display). 3-4 PCIe slots and up to 256GB of RAM would be great - the fact it can have 1.5TB RAM, 8 x8-or-better PCIe slots and is available with a 28-core processor is of no value whatsoever if you just want a headless Mac with space for a decent midrange GPU or two.

All the rationalisation in the world won't change the simple fact that Apple doubled the entry price of the Mac Pro.

Maybe the $12k-to-infinity-and-beyond versions will be "beasts" for "True Pros".... maybe... but at the end of the day, this is just a Xeon tower who's main advantage comes from being announced before the other PC workstation makers updated their products to the next generation. Its got a lot of (wide) PCIe slots because the new Xeon chips support more PCIe lanes. The same VEGA GPUs will be available for PCs - the MPX slot idea is a neat way of avoiding a few flying power leads, but there will only be a limited (and premium priced) choice of cards. Thunderbolt (esp. as a video connection) is the answer to a question that only existing Mac users are asking. Afterburner? That's something new for MacOS-only apps like FCP-X & Logic, but nothing new in the PC world. This may be a "beast" for users already locked in to Mac-only apps (if they're still around after 7 years with no credible Mac Pro product) but I don't see it tempting new customers to Mac. If you're a "true pro" user who will pay what it takes, higher specs have long been available in PC form (...specialist machines with 10 GPUs, multiple Xeon CPUs, high-density blade servers, true rackmount systems with redundant PSUs, lights-out etc. if that's what you need) even before the new Xeons hit the shops. Meanwhile, the plea for NVIDIA GPUs has been ignored...

The display is similar - sounds like it will be great for people who currently need $20k reference displays (as long as they don't have any non-Thunderbolt legacy devices they need to connect) - but its no help if you just wanted a matching display for the base Mac Pro you've just ill-advisedly sold a kidney for... and I don't know why anybody in their right mind would defend the $999 stand (or the $200 VESA adapter that you'll need if you want to use anything else - on a steampunk-themed display that could easily have hidden 4 bolt-holes in the patterns on the back).

 

[mannyvel]

Where is Apple's high-elevation test lab? Just saw this on their specs page:

"Maximum altitude: tested up to 16,400 feet (5000 meters)"