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Ah yes, the it doesn't have value to me so it's too expensive argument.

Again, you can't simply dismiss everything besides commodity hardware because you don't find value in things like quality, service, security, support, and software.

It definitely has value to me, just not value equal to its selling price. The world is not quite as black and white as it seems to you.
 
Lets play a game called "Sarcastic or Uninformed"..... Who wants to go first?
I sure am nervous because I already promised my grandson that new Mac Pro if I win to help him with his college term papers... I’ll tell ya, Bob, my first reaction was to go with ”uninformed”, but then I noticed how the post is almost too perfectly ignorant— I’m going to have to take a chance here and say “sarcastic”?
 
I still wish Apple had taken the Mac mini grid-computing approach where you can just daisychain more minis to add more power, powered by Thunderbolt. All minis would join together in the processing.

I know this is technically possible today, but I was hoping this was the "modular" approach they were taking officially.
 
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Is this an attempt to be funny?

The machine is a beast and very capable. If you can't afford it, my advice is to make more money.
Mission accomplished I’d say. I found it very funny and judging by the comparative number of upvotes at this stage it would seem I’m not alone.
 
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Where is Apple's high-elevation test lab? Just saw this on their specs page:

"Maximum altitude: tested up to 16,400 feet (5000 meters)"
Somewhere in the Himalayas, it would seem... Their Nepalese development center?
 
No chef's kitchen is complete without one.😁
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This machine is killer!!!! I need a very large carrying bag so i can take it back and forth from work to home!!!!!!! They hardware is state of the art!!!!!!

You need a rigger to carry that thing around.
 
What about the widely rumored 16" MacBook Pro? It doesn't seem as if Apple would announce it via a press release.
 
I'm interested as to how many people will buy these. They seem laser focused on the hollywood/pro video markets, especially considering the new display. Relatively limited market, even for Apple.
And yet more and more people in the creative industry are going freelance. Instead of targeting a huge market that’s growing rapidly, they’ve focused on a niche market.
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28 cores is serious power, not counting what the GPU will be able to do. I'd like to set this running SETI at Home or something on BOINC. But for work, Cinema 4D would fire out those image sequences frighteningly quick. Wow
It would but CPU rendering is dead. GPU rendering is the way forward and Apple refuse to support Nvidia. Great job, Tim Apple.
 



Apple today updated its Mac Configuration Utility for authorized technicians with instructions on how to place the new Mac Pro in DFU mode, according to a reliable source. For existing Macs, this software is used to pair components like the logic board to the Apple T2 security chip after a repair is completed.

We have elected not to share any screenshots to protect our source, but a generic image of the Mac Configuration Utility is below. An option for the new Mac Pro has been added alongside the iMac Pro, Mac mini, and notebooks.

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Mac Configuration Utility via The iPhone Wiki

Our source was informed that this move likely means the new Mac Pro will be released imminently. Apple previewed the new Mac Pro at WWDC 2019 in June and said the computer will be available to order at some point this fall, but it has yet to specify a release date.

The all-new ?Mac Pro? is a powerhouse, with up to 28-core Intel Xeon processors, up to 1.5TB of ECC RAM, up to 4TB of SSD storage, and up to AMD Radeon Pro Vega II Duo graphics with 64GB of HBM2 memory. The computer also has eight PCIe expansion slots for maximum performance, expansion, and configurability.

A new design includes a stainless steel frame with smooth handles and an aluminum housing that lifts off for 360-degree access to the entire system. The housing also has a unique lattice pattern to maximize airflow and quiet operation.

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Apple says the new ?Mac Pro? provides over 300W of power to the CPU and has a "state-of-the-art thermal architecture" to allow the processor to run "fully unconstrained all the time." This is a significant change from the previous ?Mac Pro?, which Apple eventually admitted led it "into a bit of a thermal corner."

Facing mounting criticism that it had abandoned its professional customers, Apple made the rare move of announcing that it would be releasing a new Mac Pro in April 2017, over two years before the computer was unveiled.

The new ?Mac Pro? will start at $5,999 in the United States with an eight-core Intel Xeon processor, 32GB of ECC RAM, Radeon Pro 580X graphics, and 256GB of SSD storage. Apple will also be selling the 32-inch Pro Display XDR with 6K resolution for $4,999, although the stand for the monitor costs an extra $999.

With the chances of an October event becoming increasingly slim, Apple could announce Mac Pro availability via press release.

Article Link: New Mac Pro Nearing Release as Apple Advises Technicians How to Place Computer in DFU Mode
 
You hit the nail on the head. Those of us complaining are the ones who would happily (well... slightly grumpily) have bought a $3000-$4000 tower Mac with reasonable internal expansion - something that the Mac Pro range used to offer. I guess a few will stump up $6000 for a tower with a smaller SSD and inferior GPU to an $5000 iMac Pro that includes a $1000 display). 3-4 PCIe slots and up to 256GB of RAM would be great - the fact it can have 1.5TB RAM, 8 x8-or-better PCIe slots and is available with a 28-core processor is of no value whatsoever if you just want a headless Mac with space for a decent midrange GPU or two.

All the rationalisation in the world won't change the simple fact that Apple doubled the entry price of the Mac Pro.

Maybe the $12k-to-infinity-and-beyond versions will be "beasts" for "True Pros".... maybe... but at the end of the day, this is just a Xeon tower who's main advantage comes from being announced before the other PC workstation makers updated their products to the next generation. Its got a lot of (wide) PCIe slots because the new Xeon chips support more PCIe lanes. The same VEGA GPUs will be available for PCs - the MPX slot idea is a neat way of avoiding a few flying power leads, but there will only be a limited (and premium priced) choice of cards. Thunderbolt (esp. as a video connection) is the answer to a question that only existing Mac users are asking. Afterburner? That's something new for MacOS-only apps like FCP-X & Logic, but nothing new in the PC world. This may be a "beast" for users already locked in to Mac-only apps (if they're still around after 7 years with no credible Mac Pro product) but I don't see it tempting new customers to Mac. If you're a "true pro" user who will pay what it takes, higher specs have long been available in PC form (...specialist machines with 10 GPUs, multiple Xeon CPUs, high-density blade servers, true rackmount systems with redundant PSUs, lights-out etc. if that's what you need) even before the new Xeons hit the shops. Meanwhile, the plea for NVIDIA GPUs has been ignored...

The display is similar - sounds like it will be great for people who currently need $20k reference displays (as long as they don't have any non-Thunderbolt legacy devices they need to connect) - but its no help if you just wanted a matching display for the base Mac Pro you've just ill-advisedly sold a kidney for... and I don't know why anybody in their right mind would defend the $999 stand (or the $200 VESA adapter that you'll need if you want to use anything else - on a steampunk-themed display that could easily have hidden 4 bolt-holes in the patterns on the back).

Can we say a Mac Mini Pro! If you want it tell Apple. I have said this would be great. It reminds me of the people who would complain about old mac software they wanted a feature for the OS or a Mac Application but would never tell Apple. Do you think they are mind readers and know what everyone might want? That is why Apple has feed back pages. Three year ago people complained about the Mac Pro cylinder and how they wanted self expansion and like magic it is here.

So tell Apple and not say if wish Apple would have this!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Is this an attempt to be funny?

The machine is a beast and very capable. If you can't afford it, my advice is to make more money.
More like, if you can't afford it, then this machine is not for you. The people who need this kind of power are working on feature length films, crunching massive amounts of data, and anything else that requires extreme power.
 
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I'm interested as to how many people will buy these. They seem laser focused on the hollywood/pro video markets, especially considering the new display. Relatively limited market, even for Apple.

Amortize the cost over years and its cost is pretty reasonable (assuming they last as long as the cMP have lasted).

Most businesses will write off the cost on their taxes so the actual cost to businesses will be lower.

I have no plans on buying one for a few years.

My 5,1 cMP still works great and I'll wait until Apple has gotten the bugs worked out and until the price drops a bit.
 
Although I can afford it, I have my doubts. I'm into music production and several devices require direct USB-A connections; they don't work on a hub. So besides all connections apart from a single Thunderbolt filled on my Trashcan, I have 8 devices on my USB hub. I'm supposed to make due with a few Thunderbolt connections and assume that my devices requiring a direct USB connection will function on a hub?
 
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A 7-year old iMac is nothing like today's top of the line. I think it's enough for most people, as long as you stay really far away from the base model with magnetic storage. Even for backup I use an SSD, no magnetic. You may be an exception, if you're really heavy into 8K, RAW video, 360 stitching, CAD, and so on. But very few of us need a Xeon system with multiple GPUs and a reference grading monitor. Again, you might, and that's great.

It's probably not a good idea to keep any computer for 7 years, unless you're just watching movies on it. I have the first 5K iMac that ever came out, and I can't even watch Youtube on it anymore. The fan just spools up after a minute and the machine goes to sleep. As a first-generation product, it didn't age well. And anything static burns into the screen after hours, and it stays burned in for days. I can assure you the latest iMac is nothing like that. I haven't even heard the fan yet, and I do edit 4K video and run VMs.

A 2012 Mac Mini with the quad-core i7 is a surprisingly capable little beast. If you look at the benchmarks, it cranks out a lot of power. Add to that the fact that it was the last user upgradable Mini, and I wouldn’t be surprised if there are a number of them hanging around. They still go for a healthy sum on eBay.

I dropped 16GB of RAM and a Samsung Pro series SSD in mine, and it still serves me well. Thunderbolt 3 would be nice, but I’d have to spend upwards of $1500 on a new Mini with similar or better specs.
 
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I'm interested as to how many people will buy these. They seem laser focused on the hollywood/pro video markets, especially considering the new display. Relatively limited market, even for Apple.

That's why they're assembled in Texas from Chinese made parts.
 
Although I can afford it, I have my doubts. I'm into music production and several devices require direct USB-A connections; they don't work on a hub. So besides all connections apart from a single Thunderbolt filled on my Trashcan, I have 8 devices on my USB hub. I'm supposed to make due with a few Thunderbolt connections and assume that my devices requiring a direct USB connection will function on a hub?

The PCIe slots are built just for this kind of need, add in whatever cards you need. USB ports, etc.

If you needed more Thunderbolt though you'd need the higher end graphics cards which then add 4 TB3 ports each (the Mac Pro can have up to 12 TB3 ports).

Also Thunderbolt docks can provide multiple USB ports so you could use the docks with Macbooks and iMacs and such as well.
 
Ain't it usually the way that you buy a pro Mac (remembering the cheese grater days) with as little in it as possible and then populate it yourself? Apple is historically the WORST price/performance supplier of storage, RAM and components. That's what raised the ire of pros when Apple tried to shove us all into iMacs and trash cans. They were harder to upgrade so the most cynical of us thought it was an attempt to corral upgraders into ponying up more up front.
Which is why I have waited for over 7 years before buying a new Mac. I like to have the ability to upgrade my machine easily.
 
Which is why I have waited for over 7 years before buying a new Mac. I like to have the ability to upgrade my machine easily.

Yep, I think Apple did the right thing!!!! People told Apple about it and they did what the customer wanted. I remember people saying that Apple would never create a self upgraded computer ever again lol proven wrong again doubters.
 
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