New Mac Pro Nearing Release as Apple Advises Technicians How to Place Computer in DFU Mode

[4jasontv]

It's called imac.

The iMac is a teenager with a mustache; you might call it an adult but you don’t expect it to act like one. It’s a laptop dressed up as a desktop, and Apple treats it as a disposable product. You don’t upgrade iMacs, and when one part goes you are expected to get the new one.

 

[skippermonkey]

At long last, the wait is nearly over. To which address should I mail my arm and leg?

 

[jlocker]

When i worked at the old mom and pop computer store back in 1984. Apple let sales people or repair engineers buy one Mac computer at 60% off the retail price. got my first Mac 128k with Apple image writer printer, carrying case, and macwrite and macpaint for $999 dollars lol. what a bargain
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The iMac is a teenager with a mustache; you might call it an adult but you don’t expect it to act like one. It’s a laptop dressed up as a desktop, and Apple treats it as a disposable product. You don’t upgrade iMacs, and when one part goes you are expected to get the new one.

Tell Apple you want a Mac Mini Pro model. Like all the people who asked for a new Mac Pro and got one
Apple is like Santa They have so much money they can build pretty much anything any thing a large number or even a smaller group might want, and you might get it!!!!!!

 

[tkukoc]

This is so people shut up that Apple doesn't care about pro users.

True, there is that factor as well.

 

[Tech198]

What would such an event involve?

The Mac Pro has already been fully revealed. They have a 5-minute video on YouTube. Do you expect them to present the same slide deck from WWDC?

It would be a either a vey short event, or a good opportunity to snitch in some ther stuff coming in the works.

 

[macfacts]

Trust me, there are plenty of us who want it.

Lots of people want it for free. Do they want it for the advertised price?

 

[wallysb01]

The iMac is a teenager with a mustache; you might call it an adult but you don’t expect it to act like one. It’s a laptop dressed up as a desktop, and Apple treats it as a disposable product. You don’t upgrade iMacs, and when one part goes you are expected to get the new one.

iMacs no longer use laptop parts and that hasn't really been true for a while now. You might say the AIO form factor has laptop characteristics, but that's only true to an extent. We have the mostly maxed out models from 2017 and they are beasts and way out preform laptops.

 

[Tech198]

Lots of people want it for free. Do they want it for the advertised price?

Not pro users... They HAVE the money... most likely....

 

[Zdigital2015]

The iMac is a teenager with a mustache; you might call it an adult but you don’t expect it to act like one. It’s a laptop dressed up as a desktop, and Apple treats it as a disposable product. You don’t upgrade iMacs, and when one part goes you are expected to get the new one.

My “teenager” has the top of the line 95w TDP desktop Core i9-9900K CPU, has 40GB of DRAM, but can go to 128GB, has a 1TB SSD, can be swapped for a 2TB SSD, has room for an additional 2.5” SSD or 3.5” HDD, can accommodate 4 USB 3.0 devices and high speed TB3 storage along with a second TB3 eGPU. It also has a Vega 48 which is not too shabby at all.

Plenty of people use iMacs in a professional capacity. Please take your silliness somewhere else.

 

[carlos700]

iMacs no longer use laptop parts and that hasn't really been true for a while now. You might say the AIO form factor has laptop characteristics, but that's only true to an extent. We have the mostly maxed out models from 2017 and they are beasts and way out preform laptops.

100%. The top-end iMac uses the 9900K which actually performs better than the 8-core Xeon in the new Mac Pro or iMac Pro. The iMac hasn't used laptop CPUs (except for that cheap base model, not the quad-core i3) since the first 27" 2009 model that used Lynnfield.

 

[cylack]

So I'm assuming they want no one to buy the base config because a base iMac Pro has a better video card and more SSD space for less price.

 

[MacBH928]

I'm interested as to how many people will buy these. They seem laser focused on the hollywood/pro video markets, especially considering the new display. Relatively limited market, even for Apple.

We can not be hypocrites, everyone in the Apple community was bashing Apple for not having a true Pro Machine for years. Now its finally here we can not say "This is for a very limited market".

This is the machine that everyone was asking for, and despite its ugly looks, Apple delivered 100%. We should all be happy, and the price for Pro's is a drop in the bucket. Even if t was $20K its still worth it since its not uncommon for professional to charge up to $500-1000 per project.

In the mid 90's there was a company called SGI that sold computers for $30K (fixed for inflation).

What I really want to know is what this will do to the iMac Pro. They're already $3600ish on ebay. I think if Apple rejiggered the iMac Pro a bit and had a base price of $3k, that would be the perfect mid level computer.

They can kill it. Apple did introduce products for short periods of times. G4 Cube and eMac IIRC.

 

[Glockworkorange]

lmao, "hardest of the hardcore" i guess that includes no AI/ML applications due to no nvidia support

Those people are clearly not hardcore enough, or else Apple would make a product for them

 

[JosephAW]

I'll pick one up in about 7 years for about $100 and have a ball.
We still have G5 towers going strong as internet servers but one by own they are starting to give up the ghost but I have spare units we picked up for less than $50.

 

[theluggage]

I'm into music production and several devices require direct USB-A connections; they don't work on a hub.

On a new Mac Pro, it should simply be a case of sticking a (relatively) cheap USB adapter card into one of those PCIe slots you've just acquired at great expense to get 4 shiny new not-from-hub USB-A ports.

Without PCIe slots, though, a Thunderbolt dock with USB-A ports should have the same effect - new 'top level' USB ports with their own controller.

 

[Anarchy99]

Is this an attempt to be funny?

The machine is a beast and very capable. If you can't afford it, my advice is to make more money.

it is funny.
i doubt it's about the poster being poor its about poor value.\

people are used to a slight "apple tax" on macs, but so far the only configuration we have confirmed pricing is the base model, which not only is underpowered for its price but is about double the cost of those same parts were you to Hackintosh a system.

so yeah people will joke because Apple has made it the butt of the joke.

 

[now i see it]

MacOS doesn't justify the price of this computer. The Pro world that actually needed to get stuff done these last seven years migrated over to Windows. If you're really a computer jockey trapped behind a computer every day doing what you're getting paid for, 99.5% of the time you're living inside a pro app or several of them that are identical in usage and appearance in either Windows or Mac. The only time you need to interact with the OS is saving and opening files. Is MacOS and this strangely expensive new tower worth that?

 

[wardie]

lmao, "hardest of the hardcore" i guess that includes no AI/ML applications due to no nvidia support

You can run AI/ML frameworks now on AMD under macOS no problems. Check out Keras over the PlaidML framework. Not only via OpenCL but now using native Metal API.

 

[paulvee]

MacOS doesn't justify the price of this computer. The Pro world that actually needed to get stuff done these last seven years migrated over to Windows. If you're really a computer jockey trapped behind a computer every day doing what you're getting paid for, 99.5% of the time you're living inside a pro app or several of them that are identical in usage and appearance in either Windows or Mac. The only time you need to interact with the OS is saving and opening files. Is MacOS and this strangely expensive new tower worth that?

You don't know what you're talking about when you talk about what "Pros" are doing. Everything else is your opinion and, essentially worthless.

 

[jlocker]

This $2.7 million watch looks straight out of a James Bond movie and keeps the world's most accurate time

The Urwerk AMC is one of the most complicated and precise timekeeping devices ever built. "It keeps accuracy to one second every 317 years," Paul Boutros head of watches for Phillips, where the AMC will be sold at the "Game Changers" auction, tells CNBC.

www.cnbc.com

LOL people think the Mac Pro is expensive

 

[applesed]

So...multiple reasons for an event. Two major products are imminent, I guess.

 

[StellarVixen]

My “teenager” has the top of the line 95w TDP desktop Core i9-9900K CPU, has 40GB of DRAM, but can go to 128GB, has a 1TB SSD, can be swapped for a 2TB SSD, has room for an additional 2.5” SSD or 3.5” HDD, can accommodate 4 USB 3.0 devices and high speed TB3 storage along with a second TB3 eGPU. It also has a Vega 48 which is not too shabby at all.

Plenty of people use iMacs in a professional capacity. Please take your silliness somewhere else.

Your “teenager” cannot sustain heavy CPU workload for too long before throttling.
i9 in that form factor is a scam.

 

[Mescagnus]

You hit the nail on the head. Those of us complaining are the ones who would happily (well... slightly grumpily) have bought a $3000-$4000 tower Mac with reasonable internal expansion - something that the Mac Pro range used to offer. I guess a few will stump up $6000 for a tower with a smaller SSD and inferior GPU to an $5000 iMac Pro that includes a $1000 display). 3-4 PCIe slots and up to 256GB of RAM would be great - the fact it can have 1.5TB RAM, 8 x8-or-better PCIe slots and is available with a 28-core processor is of no value whatsoever if you just want a headless Mac with space for a decent midrange GPU or two.

All the rationalisation in the world won't change the simple fact that Apple doubled the entry price of the Mac Pro.

Maybe the $12k-to-infinity-and-beyond versions will be "beasts" for "True Pros".... maybe... but at the end of the day, this is just a Xeon tower who's main advantage comes from being announced before the other PC workstation makers updated their products to the next generation. Its got a lot of (wide) PCIe slots because the new Xeon chips support more PCIe lanes. The same VEGA GPUs will be available for PCs - the MPX slot idea is a neat way of avoiding a few flying power leads, but there will only be a limited (and premium priced) choice of cards. Thunderbolt (esp. as a video connection) is the answer to a question that only existing Mac users are asking. Afterburner? That's something new for MacOS-only apps like FCP-X & Logic, but nothing new in the PC world. This may be a "beast" for users already locked in to Mac-only apps (if they're still around after 7 years with no credible Mac Pro product) but I don't see it tempting new customers to Mac. If you're a "true pro" user who will pay what it takes, higher specs have long been available in PC form (...specialist machines with 10 GPUs, multiple Xeon CPUs, high-density blade servers, true rackmount systems with redundant PSUs, lights-out etc. if that's what you need) even before the new Xeons hit the shops. Meanwhile, the plea for NVIDIA GPUs has been ignored...

The display is similar - sounds like it will be great for people who currently need $20k reference displays (as long as they don't have any non-Thunderbolt legacy devices they need to connect) - but its no help if you just wanted a matching display for the base Mac Pro you've just ill-advisedly sold a kidney for... and I don't know why anybody in their right mind would defend the $999 stand (or the $200 VESA adapter that you'll need if you want to use anything else - on a steampunk-themed display that could easily have hidden 4 bolt-holes in the patterns on the back).

Say what?

 

[HiVolt]

I'm interested as to how many people will buy these. They seem laser focused on the hollywood/pro video markets, especially considering the new display. Relatively limited market, even for Apple.

IMO, beyond the initial "rush" of people who miay actually use it to its full potential and have been waiting for a powerful Mac for years that didn't come with a screen attached, it wont be many sales after... There will be of course a bunch bought by the youtubers who will all have to review it.

And there will of course be some power users or enthusiasts who are just wealthy enough to afford it, as a must have gimmick to show off to their buddies or on the internet.

 

[ekwipt]

Is this an attempt to be funny?

The machine is a beast and very capable. If you can't afford it, my advice is to make more money.

Someone would be fun at parties...