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That's otter nonsense. I haven't seen a 5x performance leap since the 1980s. Yes - it's just replacing the inside, and just on the lowest end models, but for those lowest end models, we might now see a Macbook Air outperform a $4,500 16" Macbook Pro.
The proof will be in the pudding, not in the marketing keynote.
 
JFC. The memory is part of the SOC.
That's bad wording then. Because accessible isn't the same as replaceable.
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Then why did they put 1080p web cams in the last iMac update if it didn't matter?

It does matter, especially in the age of video calls as many of us work from home permanently now.
It doesn't when streaming services drop frames like they do even with 720p. Do your co-workers need to see your pores ?

The 1080p Module is significantly larger than whats available on a MB display. I have an external 1080p Logitech c615. The iPad 6th Gen front camera broadcasts a far better quality image.
 
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Looks good for ARM based computer, but sadly not for me. I need a way to install Windows for personal and work use (full x86). Also, how open is the ecosystem? Will it require to only install apps from App Store like iOS? If so, that’s a big no for me. Apple incentivize all developers to only offer their applications with subscriptions. No way I would support that in a computer.

Simply too many questions unanswered for my liking.

I also won’t even invest in an Intel based Mac either since they are going away eventually.

Sucks because I need a laptop right now. I guess I’ll be going with Dell XPS 2 in 1 lineup with Intel 11th gen chips. I haven’t bought an Intel laptop since 2010.

Maybe in 3 years when I want to upgrade I’ll look at where Apple is at.
 
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It doesn't when streaming services drop frames like they do even with 720p. Do your co-workers need to see your pores ?

The 1080p Module is significantly larger than what's available on a MB display.

Does anyone have a good app that lets me use my $1200 DSLR killer iPhone as a webcam?
 
A-series has been blowing the roof off for years without a single device using more than 2 - 6 GB of RAM.

And you have a forum full of whiners confused that Apple Silicon doesn't need more than 16 GB of RAM.
A-series processors use software designed for iOS. The new Macs will have to run software already developed for Intel Macs. I suspect most developers will not rewrite their software to run on less RAM.
 
I have an imac at home and an 13” Air on the go. I might be one of the guinea pigs and get a base model Air. At least i’ll still have my reliable imac at home. But it needs to run Visual Studio..
 
Good lord, 8/16gb shared between gpu and system? How is that even remotely acceptable.

This thing is either going to scream or be a dud. Can't wait to see hands on. As Apple has shown over the years with its phones, their chips are incredible and efficient. I don't think you are going to be able to compare 16gb of RAM in a Mac to 16gb of RAM in a PC anymore.
 
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On the laptop side it seems the pro is basically a waste. Right? It's got two hours more battery in exchange of being heavier and having a touch bar. Everything else is the same.

Did I miss something?
Likely it'll be able to run sustained workloads whereas the Air will not (especially as its fanless).
 
Ok great. You're comparing 4 GB of RAM to 16 GB RAM under similar circumstances.
No. I am comparing max 2 applications open vs 10 + a myriad of services. I am simply stating that 16 GB of RAM max is ridiculously low. No matter how efficient you think the M1 is. They would have to unload apps into the ssd killing it prematurely and lowering the performance. I attached a printscreen from my mac right now. As you can see top 4 apps are using 8.5GB of RAM and I am not having anything too memory intensive open.
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A-series has been blowing the roof off for years without a single device using more than 2 - 6 GB of RAM.

And you have a forum full of whiners confused that Apple Silicon doesn't need more than 16 GB of RAM.

You, and people like you, don't know how computers work and don't understand the needs of professionals.

iPhones work well with a small amount of RAM because iOS is leaner than Android, because it doesn't have true multitasking, and quite simply because apps for iOS don't demand a lot of RAM.

macOS will happily use 2GB of RAM on its own. An IDE will happily use 6GB. A virtual machine will happily use as much as you give it, typically 2GB. An Android Simulator will use at least 2GB. An iOS simulator instance will use at least 1GB. Slack will use at least 1GB, as will WhatsApp and Discord. Your browser will use at least 1GB and could easily eat 8GB with just a few dozen tabs open.

If you're a pro user, you almost certainly need lots of RAM and I'm sure you'll find that the "confused whiners" are actually pros who know far more than you, and know exactly why they need the RAM.

No amount of Apple Silicon magic will make that need go away. If you have 32GB of stuff to load in to memory, you need 32GB of RAM. If you have less, the OS will resort to swapping and that will slowly but surely kill your SSD.
 
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No. I am comparing max 2 applications open vs 10 + a myriad of services. I am simply stating that 16 GB of RAM max is ridiculously low. No matter how efficient you think the M1 is. They would have to unload apps into the ssd killing it prematurely and lowering the performance. I attached a printscreen from my mac right now. As you can see top 4 apps are using 8.5GB of RAM and I am not having anything too memory intensive open. View attachment 1658467

I said it earlier, but I don't think you will be able to look at RAM the same when comparing it to x86. Hell look at iPhones. They have had significantly less RAM than android phones for years without issue. My guess is 16gb with these chips is on par with 32gb of intel chips.
 
Quickly scrolling through the press release and pricing - so this is their budget play? Probably going to be a long time before they put it in the 16 unless they are coming with some incredible benchmarks.
 
This thing is either going to scream or be a dud. Can't wait to see hands on. As Apple has shown over the years with its phones, their chips are incredible and efficient. I don't think you are going to be able to compare 16gb of RAM in a Mac to 16gb of RAM in a PC anymore.

my 2013 nmp has 64gb memory, firefox is using 8gb.. can 16gb take care of everything that 64gb could? we'll see i guess.
 
Yes, a machine called “MacBook Pro,” which is marketed to “Pros,” is “entry level.”

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Well we all know "Pro" means nothing - you've got a Pro iPhone and iPad ffs, you've got a Pro Playstation! It was always the entry level MacBook Pro - it was (and is) faster than a MacBook or MacBook Air but it's the lowest in the 13" lineup. It was running 8th Gen Intel chips before, now it's been replaced. Before that it was the model without the touch bar where as the top end 13" MBP had the touch bar - it's been this way for a good decade or more now.
 
You plan on playing AAA games on your non-X86 Mac? Let me know who's gonna be coding those, lmao.
They specifically highlighted Cinema 4D for use on the Macs they're selling today. If the GPU speed is as fast as they say it is, then it can render graphics at a higher resolution in terms of number of pixels rendered. That means you can hook up a 4k screen or higher and render at native res. Important for content creation using C4D.

However, at 4k, you need your textures applied to the 3D to be full resolution, too. Using industry standard compression for those textures, you can easily surpass 10GB. Just for the video memory requirements. And you can't just wish that usage away, you need to hold all 10GB of those textures in memory at the same time in order to run the viewport at a good speed. Even 2x SSD speed is not fast enough.

That leaves 6GB for the entire system.

I haven't even started talking about particle simulations or common things like that which you would absolutely do in C4D...at least on a Mac Mini that runs as fast as they claim.

High-res video is equally as bad of a use-case. So yes, objectively, the RAM is totally imbalanced based on what they showcased.
 
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Just plug it in via USB and it'll show up as a capture device in OBS :)
All built-in webcams suck - every one of them: junk compared to even the $25 Chinese webcams you can get on Amazon. I mounted my GoPro Hero 9 to the top of my monitor and it absolutely blows away anything I've seen short of a $600 mirrorless camera. OBS and other utilities will let you use real cameras for the work and the difference is shocking.
 
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