Another one 🤦🏻♂️ you people are making me so angry trying to defend this. Read my post two posts before this. Pro users need RAM. No Apple magic can change that. It's like you're suggesting it can alter the laws of physics. All it can do is swap faster due to the faster storage, but that does not make up for there being less RAM.
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Another one 🤦🏻♂️ you people are making me so angry trying to defend this. Read my post two posts before this. Pro users need RAM. No Apple magic can change that. It's like you're suggesting it can alter the laws of physics. All it can do is swap faster due to the faster storage, but that does not make up for there being less RAM.
Ok so instead of learning from a Pro user who actually needs and uses a lot of RAM, you're content to ignore the facts and continuing spewing a load of rubbish. Fine.
Highly doubtful. No CPU or even SoC has built-in RAM. It might be PoP (package-on-package) like the Raspberry Pis.
And my iMac right now has 24 GB used and 7 GB free.
I'm still not impressed with your point. I'm sure Apple Silicon is in a class of its own and soon tests will demonstrate that.
Macs have always used the RAM available to them. On your 2013 Firefox may use 8gb of RAM, but if I only have 8gb of RAM it would only use 2gb.
no. Someone earlier posted a screenshot from Apple's page confirming it is not.
I might be the odd one here, but are the speakers on the Pro really that good?
I’m still with my Mac Air from early 2014 and it’s past due for an upgrade. I feel rushed whenever I’m at the Apple store so I can’t really try out the speakers between the Air and Pros. Thanks!
I’m still with my Mac Air from early 2014 and it’s past due for an upgrade. I feel rushed whenever I’m at the Apple store so I can’t really try out the speakers between the Air and Pros. Thanks!
I am not stuck in the past. There is no magic Apple can do to make stuff use less RAM. If you open a 32GB image, for example, guess how much RAM that would use? Yes, 32GB assuming it's a bitmap. More if it was a JPEG that needed to be decompressed. And guess what happens if you don't have 32GB of RAM? macOS will use your SSD in a process known as "swapping" or "paging". And guess what else? That's exactly what Macs already do. And guess what? The new Macs can do it a little bit faster. But you know what the consequence of that is? Your SSD dies early.
.... so it makes sense for mac mini and macbooks yes, I do not see how that is gonna fit in desktop Pro line
no GPU options?
Apple is not Pro sector anymore
at least not for vectorial computation, 2D, 3D
you cannot have out there AMD RNA 2 and also new Nvidia Cards, and compete with...
your integrated GPU?
no way.....
How is the virtualization under those new Apple ARM?
Can I run VMWARE properly?
Android Studio is working fine on those new apple right?
they said no bootcamp... so I cannot dualboot and use Windows apps like years before?
so... thats a MacBook Pro right?
for nearly same money 1557 eu on PC you get
(yes, I made the numbers the above configuration is real price with case and everything)
· Z490i ITX top market motherboard
· 1 TB 6GB/s M2 disk drive (samsung 980 Pro)
sequential read speed 7,000 MB/s and sequential write speed 5,000 MB/s
(new MacBook Pro ARM offers 3.3GB/s sequential speed, doesn't specify between read-write)
· 64 GB 3600Mhz DDR4 RAM
(you need to look for those without RGB lights, there are acceptable prices,
I have a list that I'm not gonna share [sorry] I wrote enough telling M2 brand)
· Intel Gen11 i7 8-core CPU, with integrated Intel XE Graphics
** note, you would need to wait between January-March for Intel to release the new processors, all the other hardware can be bought nowadays
In the future you could even upgrade it plugging AMD ARN2 graphic card (500 bucks more), so final price would be around 2000 - 2200 USD (in case you want or need that extra graphic force)
- also special note Xbox One Series X (new console) is running Windows 10 custom Operating System, all big brands are investing on those new consoles because they will get benefits trough videogames they are gonna sell
It is gonna be the standard for 4K media consume those next 7 years
Also if you want to use your computer for developing content and/or high computational tasks (the hardware configuration I wrote down would be minimum or recommended specs)
that's a real Pro Line
If you are a Pro computer user, better follow the standards (I have no doubt about it)
If you like laptopts.... then ok, you can always can waste your money on the apple laptop, sure you have a lot of battery life, and you could keep playing HeartStone
What would be the next?
Add the cow says Muuuu, on super wipy dippy laptop apple touch bar?
** also note Microsoft made a huge step up with Windows 10 Operating System
bye bye apple, you lost an user
common, is 2020 and you cannot even choose screens output under MacOS
yah, I guess your phone would be the best out there,
but a vitamined phone with keyboard is not gonna be my Pro hardware
anyway from years ago I hadn't been using laptop in personal space, desktop rocks, itx format is more than enough (even for professional use)
no GPU options?
Apple is not Pro sector anymore
at least not for vectorial computation, 2D, 3D
you cannot have out there AMD RNA 2 and also new Nvidia Cards, and compete with...
your integrated GPU?
no way.....
How is the virtualization under those new Apple ARM?
Can I run VMWARE properly?
Android Studio is working fine on those new apple right?
they said no bootcamp... so I cannot dualboot and use Windows apps like years before?
so... thats a MacBook Pro right?
- Apple M1 chip with 8-core CPU, 8-core GPU, and 16-core Neural Engine
- 8GB unified memory
- 512GB SSD storage¹
- 13-inch Retina display with True Tone
- Magic Keyboard
- Touch Bar and Touch ID
- Force Touch trackpad
- Two Thunderbolt / USB 4 port
for nearly same money 1557 eu on PC you get
(yes, I made the numbers the above configuration is real price with case and everything)
· Z490i ITX top market motherboard
· 1 TB 6GB/s M2 disk drive (samsung 980 Pro)
sequential read speed 7,000 MB/s and sequential write speed 5,000 MB/s
(new MacBook Pro ARM offers 3.3GB/s sequential speed, doesn't specify between read-write)
· 64 GB 3600Mhz DDR4 RAM
(you need to look for those without RGB lights, there are acceptable prices,
I have a list that I'm not gonna share [sorry] I wrote enough telling M2 brand)
· Intel Gen11 i7 8-core CPU, with integrated Intel XE Graphics
** note, you would need to wait between January-March for Intel to release the new processors, all the other hardware can be bought nowadays
In the future you could even upgrade it plugging AMD ARN2 graphic card (500 bucks more), so final price would be around 2000 - 2200 USD (in case you want or need that extra graphic force)
- also special note Xbox One Series X (new console) is running Windows 10 custom Operating System, all big brands are investing on those new consoles because they will get benefits trough videogames they are gonna sell
It is gonna be the standard for 4K media consume those next 7 years
Also if you want to use your computer for developing content and/or high computational tasks (the hardware configuration I wrote down would be minimum or recommended specs)
that's a real Pro Line
If you are a Pro computer user, better follow the standards (I have no doubt about it)
If you like laptopts.... then ok, you can always can waste your money on the apple laptop, sure you have a lot of battery life, and you could keep playing HeartStone
What would be the next?
Add the cow says Muuuu, on super wipy dippy laptop apple touch bar?
** also note Microsoft made a huge step up with Windows 10 Operating System
bye bye apple, you lost an user
common, is 2020 and you cannot even choose screens output under MacOS
yah, I guess your phone would be the best out there,
but a vitamined phone with keyboard is not gonna be my Pro hardware
anyway from years ago I hadn't been using laptop in personal space, desktop rocks, itx format is more than enough (even for professional use)
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Actually, no. All things being equal (same webpages, number of tabs, etc) it would 2GB of RAM and 6GB of virtual memory (swapped to disk).
I’ve been thinking of selling my hero7 for a 9. Is it pretty much plug and play for things like FaceTime and zoom?
Only a bad developer tries to load the whole object into RAM. You stream your object into the amount of RAM that's available...or at least that's how good developers do it.
I think people are going to be shocked when reviews confirm these crap all over intel based laptops.
Any thoughts on whether the 8th GPU core is likely to be worth the extra $100 on the Air for a student? My grade 11 son's iPad sustained a broken screen, and I'm looking to replace it with an Air
Sure, but for the high-resolution 3D content that they showed in the presentation, software like that already does texture streaming. And even when taking that into account, you can easily blow through 6-8GB of video memory while still texture streaming in realtime.
For the MacBook Air, no big deal. For the MacBook Pro 13, it's sad. For the Mac Mini, at its performance level claimed, it is unacceptably low and completely imbalanced.
If you're running a VM, or many, you can't "stream" parts of the virtualised OS in to memory. If you're using an IDE, you don't want to wait while it re-analyses your code continuously to "stream" it in to memory again. You need it there all the time.
You're confusing the amount of RAM a system has with its raw compute performance, which are not directly linked.
Yes, these things will **** all over Intel in benchmarks. No these things will not run a developer workflow as well as a machine with 32GB or 64GB of RAM because they'll be wasting so much time swapping to disk.
Wait, you're comparing a small form factor lightweight laptop that's available to order today with a desktop you can build yourself with components that might be available in 4 months (think about how much trouble Intel has had getting silicon out in a timely manner recently)? That's not a very informative comparison. I've built a few PCs from scratch, and enjoyed the process, but if you're going to compare, at least compare apples with apples (no pun intended). Compare it with an extended battery life laptop with decent performance that's available today.
Yet another underwhelming event. I know these are the low enders but come on. The whole line up, presentation and lack of real info and road map for future machines was really poor. Oh Tim, what have you done to this once great, innovative company???
You did not pay attention then. Both your complaints have been addressed and are non valid. Great one Tim Cook, well done!
The MBP will be fanless too until it heats up enough to need the fan. Whereas the MBA will either simply cut the power output when it heats up, or get freaking hot. They've both got the same chip in them (except the 7 GPU option for MBA, but otherwise the same chip)