New MacBook Air, 13-Inch MacBook Pro, and Mac Mini With M1 Chip Available to Order, Launch Next Week

[Cycom]

Well we all know "Pro" means nothing - you've got a Pro iPhone and iPad ffs, you've got a Pro Playstation! It was always the entry level MacBook Pro - it was (and is) faster than a MacBook or MacBook Air but it's the lowest in the 13" lineup. It was running 8th Gen Intel chips before, now it's been replaced. Before that it was the model without the touch bar where as the top end 13" MBP had the touch bar - it's been this way for a good decade or more now.

Once again, it’s called a MacBookPro. It’s aimed at “Pros” in both marketing and keynote presentations. Your condescending post I originally replied to where you urged the other user to "keep up" ignored the point that 16gb of RAM is a big downgrade for professionals who use these machines. This means that when all intel machines are phased out, a professional looking for a 13" Mac for their work is stuck with 16 paltry gigs.

Just configured a 13" map with 16gb and 512ssd. $1700 plus tax. Yes, entry level.

 

[mike...]

Yet another underwhelming event. I know these are the low enders but come on. The whole line up, presentation and lack of real info and road map for future machines was really poor. Oh Tim, what have you done to this once great, innovative company???

The thing is, they're not just low end but lower end. They took away ports. They took away people's option to upgrade RAM to 32GB on the MBP and 64GB on the Mac Mini. They took away the 10GbE option. They neutered these machines, at pretty much the same price. Sure the CPU is faster, which leads to better battery life, but that's it. For the Air, that's absoutely amazing. But the Mac Mini and MacBook Pro are surely worse for their intended purposes.

 

[shplock]

Still no 14” redesign? Sigh. Was looking forward to that.

I suppose at least this way the 14” will be iteration 2 of Apple silicone and so all the kinks will have been ironed out.

Why are so many people complaining about no 14" MacBooks? Nobody and I mean Nobody needs 14". 13" is more than enough for most users and for those who need more power etc can get the 16". If anyone insists that they need somehow einbetween than you just end up getting stupid as someone could say that they need 14.2" and another person says they need 14.9" and yet another person decides they need 15.8" and so on.
That just is ridiculous. So my advice to you all is get over it and work with what is available.

 

[sideshowuniqueuser]

It says Wifi-6 right there though.

Apple site says no wifi-6.

 

[torncanvas]

Ultimately it's about balance. The MacBook Air is well-balanced. The others are not (especially the Mac Mini but MBP as well) and specifically because of how they presented them doing creative professional workloads.

 

[shplock]

My god what a boring event for being Mac, lots of bla bla, a massive opportunity to deliver fully redesigned macs with truly bumped hardware. Same old Apple tricks with Timmy over and over.

Nobody forced you to watch it and what were you expecting from an entry level chip? Did you want it to scratch your bum from space with a laser? Please stop moaning and lead a productive life instead.

 

[CrazyForCashews]

Disappointed that the 12” MacBook wasn’t refreshed.

 

[jezbd1997]

They haven’t replaced those systems. You can still buy the top end Intel MacBook Pro and Mac minis, the M1 is just the entry level chip, keep up.

So they are selling the new M1 models as base models? What a laugh. New chip new possibilities let’s remove some ports and limit the ram also! I had high hopes for today but it’s a joke!

 

[agaskew]

£1000 for 8Gb "unified memory" and 256Gb SSD? No thanks.

 

[djinn]

I'm assuming the new M1 laptops won't be able to run VMware Fusion. If this has already been brought up, my apologies.

 

[robertosh]

Is memory user upgradable?

I doubt even if the thing is user cleanable !

 

[dannys1]

Once again, it’s called a MacBookPro. It’s aimed at “Pros” in both marketing and keynote presentations. Your condescending post I originally replied to where you urged the other user to "keep up" ignored the point that 16gb of RAM is a big downgrade for professionals who use these machines. This means that when all intel machines are phased out, a professional looking for a 13" Mac for their work is stuck with 16 paltry gigs.

Just configured a 13" map with 16gb and 512ssd. $1700 plus tax. Yes, entry level.

It's *you're.

And again, I still don't know what you're not getting. The entry level MacBook Pro had 16gb before - OBVIOUSLY the top end 13" MBP when it's refreshed will support more Ram and it won't have the smallest M1 chip in it.

Your gripe about what does and doesn't count as pro and the cost of it is with Apple not me - it was exactly the same when they were selling you the 8th Gen Intel processor in that position (at the same price) just 3 hours ago but you're obviously not aware of that.

Also entry level doesn't mean cheap - you can have an entry level SSL 6 channel mixer, it still costs £1000 but it's the cheapest "entry" level way into an SSL which could cost you £30,000. That's not to say it's cheap or its rubbish (and it only comes with 6 channels by the way, recording professionals need more than 6 channels like you say they need more than 16gb of ram...and look there are options that give them that)

 

[torncanvas]

I'm assuming the new M1 laptops won't be able to run VMware Fusion. If this has already been brought up, my apologies.

I believe you'll be able to use UTM since it's still on the App Store, but yeah good question.

 

[sideshowuniqueuser]

I'm still trying to understand the difference between the macbook pro and macbook air it is justifies getting a pro.

it seems like the pro 13 doesn't make alot sense compared to the air.

Pro has:
- bigger battery, longer life
- bigger charger
- fan, so will turn on the fan rather than turn down the power when it heats up
- touch bar
- 500 nits vs 400 nits
- slightly thinner at thickest point
- heavier
- better speakers + sound
- better mics

 

[dannys1]

So they are selling the new M1 models as base models? What a laugh. New chip new possibilities let’s remove some ports and limit the ram also! I had high hopes for today but it’s a joke!

Of course they are - it's a MacBook Air chip?! I'm not sure why any of thought they'd start at the top and move down, no wonder you're continually disappointed with things and can't run a business.

It was always very obvious they'd start with the lowest specs and build up. Their USP was building very efficient mobile processors with excellent TDP. It's a different ball game building something that can compete with Xeon processors. Next we'll see the top end 13" MacBook Pro upgrade (probably to the 14" form factor with mini-led screen) and at the same time probably the 21" iMac - by the end of next year we might have a 16" MBP replacement too.

 

[mike...]

I'm assuming the new M1 laptops won't be able to run VMware Fusion. If this has already been brought up, my apologies.

Parallels is working on a port. VMware might be too. But you should be warned that unless your guest OS is ARM native, it probably won't run. I don't believe either company are working on x86 emulation for Mac.

 

[cmaier]

The thing is, they're not just low end but lower end. They took away ports. They took away people's option to upgrade RAM to 32GB on the MBP and 64GB on the Mac Mini. They took away the 10GbE option. They neutered these machines, at pretty much the same price. Sure the CPU is faster, which leads to better battery life, but that's it. For the Air, that's absoutely amazing. But the Mac Mini and MacBook Pro are surely worse for their intended purposes.

This is temporary until the M1X is ready, with an extra address bit and more external bandwidth, for higher end MBPs and the 16” MBP. 1Q2001.

 

[sideshowuniqueuser]

+ Air is impressive
+ transition has finally started to silicon, great!
- presentation had no context at all (like the benchmarks)
- 13'' pro is kinda useless (it should be separated by performance not by ports or battery life)
+/- no redesign, but that was anticipated since it doesn't make any sense for the entry products in the transition period
? wonder how not optimized apps will handle the limitation of 16gb of ram if the chip can't work his magic

joke of the day: they really believed someone who buys a mac mini also gets an XDR display 😂😂. So the 13'' is for a beta users and probably 16'' pro will be an improved version of it, followed by iMac

There's quite a few little differences between MBA and MBP, but yeah, same M1 chip. But with the fan, it can keep the power cranked up when it heats up.

 

[dannys1]

Apple site says no wifi-6.

It really doesn't read it properly - Wifi 6 is built in as part of the processor - all the M1 machines have Wifi 6.

 

[Cycom]

It's *you're.

And again, I still don't know what you're not getting. The entry level MacBook Pro had 16gb before - OBVIOUSLY the top end 13" MBP when it's refreshed will support more Ram and it won't have the smallest M1 chip in it.

Your gripe about what does and doesn't count as pro and the cost of it is with Apple not me - it was exactly the same when they were selling you the 8th Gen Intel processor in that position (at the same price) just 3 hours ago but you're obviously not aware of that.

Also entry level doesn't mean cheap - you can have an entry level SSL 6 channel mixer, it still costs £1000 but it's the cheapest "entry" level way into an SSL which could cost you £30,000. That's not to say it's cheap or its rubbish (and it only comes with 6 channels by the way, recording professionals need more than 6 channels like you say they need more than 16gb of ram...and look there are options that give them that)

Condescending and a grammar nazi. What a cheeky fellow you are.

Did Apple provide a documented roadmap for their post M1 chip releases that show options for more than 16gb of RAM...on a 13” pro?

 

[dannys1]

The thing is, they're not just low end but lower end. They took away ports. They took away people's option to upgrade RAM to 32GB on the MBP and 64GB on the Mac Mini. They took away the 10GbE option. They neutered these machines, at pretty much the same price. Sure the CPU is faster, which leads to better battery life, but that's it. For the Air, that's absoutely amazing. But the Mac Mini and MacBook Pro are surely worse for their intended purposes.

They didn't take away anything - these are entry level chips - the higher end Intel machines still exist in both categories. You can order 64gb of ram with a 10gbit option Mac mini right now - they haven't taken it away. Eventually with the higher processors it'll replace the Intel option but not yet - these were never intended to replace the higher end Intel options.

 

[wumpalumpa]

Wait, you're comparing a small form factor lightweight laptop that's available to order today with a desktop you can build yourself with components that might be available in 4 months (think about how much trouble Intel has had getting silicon out in a timely manner recently)? That's not a very informative comparison. I've built a few PCs from scratch, and enjoyed the process, but if you're going to compare, at least compare apples with apples (no pun intended). Compare it with an extended battery life laptop with decent performance that's available today.

I understand your reply but look

I need my computer for work

I'm not gonna expend money in a laptop, if someone give me one, it will be welcomed

Do you think I can waste 1500 bucks in a desktop and 1500 bucks more in a laptop?

no I cannot, I have other expenses to attend

If I buy something today, at least I would like to know the hardware will last 6 years at least on top specs

because as I said, after 6 years that hardware probably would keep performing extremely well,
and probably after 8. I do not want to think again into wasting money for a piece of metal when I finish building the PC.

you wrote: Components that might be available in 4 months

Wrong

All components are available nowadays

Except Intel Gen11 CPU
AMD RNA2 6800 XT GPU is releasing on November 18th
(I will leave it for later hope to do well with Intel XE for at least first year)

Also for those that like to game (I'm not into gaming but yes maybe I would like to test one of those new ultra high end games they will release), this configuration will do. So you do not need to buy a videoconsole in the future.

You are right about the extra battery life, that's the only good thing is gonna get this new mac line

** Also add that

1 :: I need 2 screens to work properly, that's why I never use laptop (you can plug your laptop, to 2 screens... ok, then I can directly get the code/documents I'm working with and move to my desktop), also I do not carry my bed in my backpack, it stays always at home

2 :: And ITX build is small enough to carry from one place to another if would be really required, those who need to carry a laptop for their work I'm sorry for them, but I understand certain scenarios could require a laptop and/or can be handy to use a laptop

 

[dannys1]

Condescending and a grammar nazi. What a cheeky fellow you are.

Did Apple provide a documented roadmap for their post M1 chip releases that show options for more than 16gb of RAM...on a 13” pro?

They did not but anyone with even a minor understanding on how these things work obviously knows that'll come when they replace the top end 13" MacBook Pro (which by the way will most likely be with a 14" mini LED screen too)

 

[ctjack]

Presentation is quite misleading. MBP runs 8k footage in editing, while air does 2 4k videos, which is eventually the same 1 8k video performance.

 

[dannys1]

AMD RNA2 6800 XT GPU is releasing on November 18th

Yeah good luck getting one this year.