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New MacBook Air Doesn't Ship with Adobe Flash
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If you would have followed the coversation you would have read that is not only about Flash. Apple is taking mesures on Java as well.
^ this.
Your comment was wasted here.
Doesn't the Java runtime work for both applications and in the browser though? They couldn't take java out if they wanted to as a lot of desktop apps use it to some degree.. Java has its place, as does flash..
And Minecraft is made in Java so it can't be THAT bad.
What I'm saying is that just because Apple doesn't like Flash doesn't mean they should not include it. Most people need Flash, since it is crucial for many things on the web. So far, there is no alternative to Flash, and if HTML5 is really an alternative, then developers have to start using it. At the moment they haven't done that yet. Until then, it's either Flash or nothing. There is no replacement for Flash at the moment.
Why should Apple preinstall proprietary plugins? The less third-party software they allow (by default) on their machines, the less chance said software is out of date and with a security problem by the time the Mac is sold.
Apple's (or Steve's if you think they are now interchangeable) view on Flash is no secret, but I don't think they have done anything wrong here. Sure it could be annoying that an installation link isn't there, but perhaps their current implementation falls neatly with Apple's clean-browsing stance. A small piece of non-obtrusive text is not quite the same as a hefty Adobe logo telling you to 'click here'.
Apple's (or Steve's if you think they are now interchangeable) view on Flash is no secret, but I don't think they have done anything wrong here. Sure it could be annoying that an installation link isn't there, but perhaps their current implementation falls neatly with Apple's clean-browsing stance. A small piece of non-obtrusive text is not quite the same as a hefty Adobe logo telling you to 'click here'.
I stand corrected. I didn't realise Chrome was getting custom Flash builds. The point still stands though. Downloading Flash from adobe will 'fix' the issue installing chrome will get around it.
Apparently Apple are going to stop shipping their version of Java and won't accept Java apps into the store. I think this is all just about them not wanting the burden of managing other companies code and updates. The app store is built on a model of isolated installs and if Java isn't guaranteed to be installed and working in a reliable way I guess Apple dont want that to affect the reliability of the App Store.
Apparently Apple are going to stop shipping their version of Java and won't accept Java apps into the store. I think this is all just about them not wanting the burden of managing other companies code and updates. The app store is built on a model of isolated installs and if Java isn't guaranteed to be installed and working in a reliable way I guess Apple dont want that to affect the reliability of the App Store.
Just what we need another Flash thread.
Train has left the station. Apple doesn't support it.
MR just drop it, not newsworthy!
Train has left the station. Apple doesn't support it.
MR just drop it, not newsworthy!
Because the trolls want it both ways - they don't want Apple dictating what software they can and can't install, but they also want Apple to give them their Flash toys on a little spoon. Navigating to adobe.com and clicking a link involves too many brain cells, apparently.
It's really quite pathetic to read some of the 'tards on here trying to twist this non-story into something meaningful.
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>/sigh
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I can't believe you aren't allowed to install Adobe Flash on the new MacBook Air! This is going to annoy a lot of stupid people out there.
You are allowed to install it its just that you will have to go to the Adobe site to get it. There is no longer the option to install it from the browser prompt.
>/sigh
Adobe also recently pushed HTML5 into Dreamweaver VIA an update. (Technically an extension but still)
I understand that they need to save space because of their revolutionarily big 64 gb SSD, but as much as Apple likes to deny it, the internet runs on Flash.
I hope this turns out to a good thing and Oracle makes a fully supported JVM for Mac OSX.
The internet runs on Apache, IIS, Drama, Litespeed, ******ry and Cherokee.
Adobe have been sticking Apple repeatedly by forcing them to ship with versions of the plugin that had known security vulnerabilities. Petty much every new release of an OS X revision has come with a new version of Flash that turned out to be one version short of the newest one, because Adobe wasn't on the ball in getting revisions to Apple in time for testing.
So removing Flash from OS X bundling seems the only choice, because the end user was already having to download Flash themselves.
So removing Flash from OS X bundling seems the only choice, because the end user was already having to download Flash themselves.
I've had plenty of crashes non-flash related. In fact - I think I've only had 1 or 2 in the past 2 years related to flash.
I'll also state that in my experience (reiterating MY) I have had more "freezes" and other crap with Safari than any other browser in the past 2 years. I do like the browser - but it's got a ton of issues ranging from page rendering, memory leaks and other things that I'm surprised Apple hasn't ever bothered to fix or update.
To be fair - every browser has its own set of issues. And as someone that has created several websites within the entertainment industry - I do my best to create pages that render 100 percent accurate no matter which browser. But when I come up with a challenge where it for whatever reason doesn't - I look at the stats and design the page for the browser of majority.
YES to this. Flash has only ever been a problem. ClickToFlash/ is a great safari plugin that will block flash, but still allow you to load it if you want, and can be set to default to H264 HTML5 stuff for sites that supply it (youtube).
This might be a more real reason than most people think. I think it was even a problem just in this past year, the version of flash that came with new Macs had security problems, and what average consumer who doesn't read Apple blogs really thinks to go and get the latest version?
If you use Safari 5.1 try removing the Adobe Reader plug in or switch Safari to 32 bit. Adobe are so useless they haven't updated their plug in to 64 bit and it can cause a lot of issues.
Sorry we have a winner
This person does not know that the Flash plugin can be downloaded from Adobe and installed into these new Macs in about 60 seconds.
Wow... I was going to buy the 11.6"... no way that is happening now!
Dumb Apple...
Flash is and will be used heavily for some time... I see Apple now allowing it on the iOs devices. Doing it on the iPhone and iPad because of true mobile bandwidths being hogged is logical, but on a MacBook Air...
Just dumb, very dumb Apple...
This person does not know that the Flash plugin can be downloaded from Adobe and installed into these new Macs in about 60 seconds.