New MacBook Airs Experiencing Logic Board Issues?

[pr5owner]

If you've ever owned a MacBook Air, you'd realize that you don't want to lug around anything over 2kg ever again unless you have to.

the MSI netbook i had is 2.5lbs, not bad but i still used a backpack to carry it, lugging an 8lbs laptop around i dont mind either because i still use the SAME backpack.

either way i need a backpack, but i would much rather have processing power and connectivity options (HDMI and USB3) rather than no ports at all (MBA)

8lbs or 3lbs, it does not prevent me from carrying it or prevent me from going to the same places (its not so large i cant get it in my trunk or anything like that)

 

[KnightWRX]

It beats lugging a Mac Pro.

The Mac Pro has it beat on price and expendability though. As I said, there is no such thing as a "no compromise" product in the computer space, especially when taking into consideration "portables".

 

[pr5owner]

The Mac Pro has it beat on price and expendability though. As I said, there is no such thing as a "no compromise" product in the computer space, especially when taking into consideration "portables".

nope it doesn't

the base configuration of the sager laptop is only $2249,

to make the mac even somewhat on par (same HDD speed, lower ram, slower cpu) is $3199

the base config of the sager is still faster than the than the MBP by a large amount, configuring the sager to its max spec will make it unbelievably fast (dual video cards and triple channel ram at 1333MHz)

http://www.sagernotebook.com/index.php?page=product_customed&model_name=NP7280

also keep in mind, the sager can do tripple SSD's in Raid 5 for data redundancy , the MBP has no such option

this laptop also has a BD Burner, no mac has BD anything

you also have the option for a TV Tuner

 

[KnightWRX]

nope it doesn't

the MBP the MBP

Notice that Eidorian said Mac Pro, without the Book and I replied in that context.

 

[AidenShaw]

...back to our regularly scheduled programming....

this laptop also has a BD Burner, no mac has BD anything

This thread is about late 2010 MacBook Air logic board failures, after all.

I'm sorry that my post defending laptop diversity ("diversity" is a good thing) is going so far astray.

Some people like Iphones/Ipod Touch for their mobile net fixes, some like tablets, some like ultra-portables, some like regular laptops, some need monsters that should come with wheels and telescoping handles. Use what works for you, and don't blast products that work for others (or belittle those complaining that Apple doesn't meet their needs).

And,let's keep "why doesn't Apple support BD" to the .

 

[linux2mac]

this laptop also has a BD Burner, no mac has BD anything

So what? BD is not my motivation for a Mac. My motivation for a Mac is having a polished looking device and utmost stability due to a Unix based OSX.
If I need BD, I have a PS3 and dedicated BD players for that. Besides, haven't you heard - "Blu Ray is dead." Welcome streaming ( my Apple TV is great!).

Please see the Blu Ray thread ( also known as the "dead horse" thread) for further info.

 

[tosoil]

http://www.squaretrade.com/pages/laptop-reliability-1109

more info,

Square trade is the largest warranty supplier, alot of companies just use them solely for warranty work (rather than having warranty done inhouse)

Now I do NOT trust this data to represent overall laptop failure. It's called "selection bias" or "self selection". The people who are on their warranty program are prone to abuse laptops or are in more harsh environment (for laptops) than the average; otherwise, they would not have gotten that kind of special warranty program first place. Thus, I believe that the *true* failure rate is much lower. Also, those who have apple computers tend to get Applecare, not third party warranty program. I presume those who got this warranty program abuse laptops much more than the average or in a much more harsh environment (for laptops). Thus, this data doesn't really tell much, I guess.

Anyways, thanks for sharing the original source. Now I can get macbook air with a bit less worries.

 

[lilo777]

So what? BD is not my motivation for a Mac. My motivation for a Mac is having a polished looking device and utmost stability due to a Unix based OSX.
If I need BD, I have a PS3 and dedicated BD players for that. Besides, haven't you heard - "Blu Ray is dead." Welcome streaming ( my Apple TV is great!).

Please see the Blu Ray thread ( also known as the "dead horse" thread) for further info.

I am not sure that OS X will be very stable on the laptops with faulty logic boards Not to mention that fo rmany years (since the release of Vista) stability has not been an issue for Windows.

 

[twoodcc]

well this isn't good. i hope apple addresses this issue soon. glad i didn't jump on the air day one

 

[AidenShaw]

So what? BD is not my motivation for a Mac. My motivation for a Mac is having a polished looking device and utmost stability due to a Unix based OSX.

So, is it 50-50 for "pretty" vs. "stable", or is one more important?

I was at Home Depot last weekend, and bought a new hammer. One was more expensive and prettier - but its balance seemed off and the handle didn't look to be as durable compared to the other top choice. I bought the one that felt right, not the one that looked prettier.

Like a hammer, a computer is just a tool - not a work of art. Choose the best tool, not the prettiest one, unless you're more concerned with making a statement at the local coffee shop than with getting your work done.

As far as stability - about a year ago I removed two pairs of VM hosts from our colo. The two Windows 2003 servers had an uptime of 350-some days (just under a year due to a grid-wide power failure in October a year ago). The two RHEL servers had been up for less than two months (had to be rebooted in September because the network was ferkockt on both). YMMV.

 

[linux2mac]

So, is it 50-50 for "pretty" vs. "stable", or is one more important?

I was at Home Depot last weekend, and bought a new hammer. One was more expensive and prettier - but its balance seemed off and the handle didn't look to be as durable compared to the other top choice. I bought the one that felt right, not the one that looked prettier.

Like a hammer, a computer is just a tool - not a work of art. Choose the best tool, not the prettiest one, unless you're more concerned with making a statement at the local coffee shop than with getting your work done.

Stability first. That's why I switched to Linux. Windows was always a broken tool. Like the hammer head that keeps falling off the handle. Then I went to Mac due to Linux stability plus a more polished GUI and hardware.

I never do work in a coffee shop.

As far as stability - about a year ago I removed a couple of VM hosts from our colo. The two Windows 2003 servers had an uptime of 350-some days (just under a year due to a grid-wide power failure). The two RHEL servers had been up for less than two months (had to be rebooted in September because the network was ferkockt on both). YMMV.

Regardless, I'll never trust my business to windows ever again. Linux and Mac is all I need.

 

[AidenShaw]

Then I went to Mac due to Linux stability...

There's no Linux in Apple OSX....

You be confused.

And doesn't it affect you that Apple has all but abandoned the server market?

Regardless, I'll never trust my business to windows ever again. Linux and Mac is all I need.

If you let idiots set up your systems, no OS will save you.

 

[Michaelgtrusa]

I am bored with this logic (some people will get it)

Too, I have several Apple products that are fantastic. However, if Apple releases faulty products, I'm not going to kiss their *ss and deny it. So far, logic boards and loose hinges, what's next?...; it's only been a few weeks

Also, to the poster that claimed that Apple, a long time ago, fixed the yellow screens on the imacs, BS!

The imac screen issue are still but dosen't appear to be as pronounced.

 

[linux2mac]

There's no Linux in Apple OSX....

You be confused.

And doesn't it affect you that Apple has all but abandoned the server market?




If you let idiots set up your systems, no OS will save you.

I meant Linux like stability when I said "then I went to Mac due to Linux stability..." I know there is no Linux in OSX (contains kernel modules from FreeBSD). What I mean by all I need is "Linux and Mac" is that all of my servers are Linux (SLES) and I prefer OSX to front end to my servers and OSX is also my preferred desktop due to its polished GUI and stable UNIX derivative. Thus my environment is Linux and Mac.

No idiots allowed to touch my hardware.

 

[meatballs]

(...) unless you're more concerned with making a statement at the local coffee shop than with getting your work done.

Wanna-be script writers/coffee shop hipsters

 

[AidenShaw]

I meant Linux like stability when I said "then I went to Mac due to Linux stability..."

You should have said that then - since for me I find that my Windows servers have uptimes many months longer than my Linux servers.

I know there is no Linux in OSX

Then you should be more careful when you type.

No idiots allowed to touch my hardware.

Just you, right?

 

[CaoCao]

Definitely diverse:

• Six core 3.3 GHz Core i7-980X CPU
• 24 GiB 1333MHz DDR3 RAM
• Dual Nvidia GTX480M, 2 GiB VRAM each (SLI)
• Four 3 Gbps SATA drive bays (up to 3 TB disk if no ODD)
• Two USB 3.0 ports + three USB 2.0 ports
• Fingerprint reader
• 17.3" 1920x1080 display
• Card Reader: MS/MS Pro/MS Duo/SD/Mini-SD/SDHC/SDXC compatible/MMC/RSMMC
• Multi-touch trackpad
• Ports: 2x USB 3.0; 3x USB 2.0; HDMI-out; DVI-DL; eSata; IEEE1394b; S/PDIF; Headphone; Microphone; Audio Line-in; RJ-45; Optional HDMI-in v1.4
• Expresscard slot
• Three internal mini-PCIe slots

http://www.eurocom.com/products/showroom/specselectnew.cfm?model_id=214

Of course, the sheep will bleat that "it's heavy", "it's thick", "it costs more than an MBP", "the battery life sucks" -- but there are audio/video/photo professionals who would commit heinous crimes in order to buy a MacBook with those specs.




Should be a sticky at the top of every forum.

That's not a laptop, that's a Mobile Workstation

 

[linux2mac]

You should have said that then - since for me I find that my Windows servers have uptimes many months longer than my Linux servers.




Then you should be more careful when you type.




Just you, right?

"Charming to the last." [Governor Tarkin]

 

[rhinosrcool]

The imac screen issue are still but dosen't appear to be as pronounced.

That may be true, but they're still not fixed.

 

[Mr. Zarniwoop]

Exactly.

Apple Store verified the problem, said they've seen a few and that the issue is the graphics card. They didn't have my exact model in stock yesterday, but they got one today so I'm heading there later to swap.

Swapped yesterday, no issues so far with the new one. Hoping for the best.

BTW, attached is what the problem looked like with my old MacBook Air 2010.

 

[rye9]

Yeh this happened to my 2009 13.3" MBP quite a number of times! All I did was a full reinstallation of Mac OS X to fix it.

Although, it still happens sometimes during games like Starcraft.

This just happened to me on my 13" MBP today, oddly enough. Or, I think that's what happened... the bottom half of the screen just went black but the top half was "flickering" with black bars if you will, kind of like in the video of the new MBA's. Should I be concerned or was this a freak incident? I rebooted and repaired permissions, but that's all... and my data seems to be alright.

 

[Mal]

This just happened to me on my 13" MBP today, oddly enough. Or, I think that's what happened... the bottom half of the screen just went black but the top half was "flickering" with black bars if you will, kind of like in the video of the new MBA's. Should I be concerned or was this a freak incident? I rebooted and repaired permissions, but that's all... and my data seems to be alright.

I had exactly that same experience last week with my 13" MacBook (non-Pro, aluminum, from 2008). It seems to be ok, but it also froze up while watching a video on Hulu, except that the sound kept playing, so it did seem to be a video error. I wonder if I've got an issue developing or if it's software. Too intermittent right now to worry about, but if it starts acting up more often, I'll get it looked at (I have AppleCare for a while yet).

jW

 

[archipellago]

And how big is the market ? You fail at scales.

Again, your anecdotes are outweighted by the sheer anecdotal evidence of the different MacBook Air sub-forums. A lot have been sold, few have this issue. Return it for a replacement and live happy with your purchase.

for 2010 (globally) around 380-400 mill 'units' will be sold.

Apple's contribution is approx. 15 mill

if you're struggling with the maths pm me..

a lot sold would depend on your definition and comparables and yes I'm sure many people are happy with them.

good luck to them..... but as a general rule many people are plain wrong every day too.

 

[pr5owner]

Now I do NOT trust this data to represent overall laptop failure. It's called "selection bias" or "self selection". The people who are on their warranty program are prone to abuse laptops or are in more harsh environment (for laptops) than the average; otherwise, they would not have gotten that kind of special warranty program first place. Thus, I believe that the *true* failure rate is much lower. Also, those who have apple computers tend to get Applecare, not third party warranty program. I presume those who got this warranty program abuse laptops much more than the average or in a much more harsh environment (for laptops). Thus, this data doesn't really tell much, I guess.

Anyways, thanks for sharing the original source. Now I can get macbook air with a bit less worries.

so... only apple is allowed to have a "Much" lower failure rate and no one else? lol what the hell kind of retarded logic is that?

do you even know who square trade is?

also the people are prone to abuse their laptop if they have a better warranty, OKAY, well Asus by default has
a 2 year global warranty
1 year accidental warranty
30 day ZERO bright dot (dead pixel) guarantee.

now according to your logic, shouldn't Asus be DEAD LAST with the most laptop failures?

your post has so much BS in it i dont even have the words to explain it.

try again

So what? BD is not my motivation for a Mac. My motivation for a Mac is having a polished looking device and utmost stability due to a Unix based OSX.
If I need BD, I have a PS3 and dedicated BD players for that. Besides, haven't you heard - "Blu Ray is dead." Welcome streaming ( my Apple TV is great!).

Please see the Blu Ray thread ( also known as the "dead horse" thread) for further info.

sorry i would rather have a device thats cooled properly rather than good looking, i cannot have any "kernel panics" or "Bsods" due to overheating hardware when im working on my projects, thats the reason why i went with the G53JW, one of the best cooling setups in a laptop.

BD is dead......... right not until something that has higher quality thats more easily accessible (perhaps online, but i would need a 100mbit/s internet connection)

garbage apple tv quality is not BD quality, im getting the feeling you dont even know what video quality is, resolution alone is not quality,

havent you heard? BD sales are sky rocketing over top of DVD

Stability first. That's why I switched to Linux. Windows was always a broken tool. Like the hammer head that keeps falling off the handle. Then I went to Mac due to Linux stability plus a more polished GUI and hardware.

I never do work in a coffee shop.



Regardless, I'll never trust my business to windows ever again. Linux and Mac is all I need.

this is your idea of stability? an error message with no information to troubleshoot on?

Apple hardware lol sorry too slow and out of date for me.

 

[linux2mac]

so... only apple is allowed to have a "Much" lower failure rate and no one else? lol what the hell kind of retarded logic is that?

do you even know who square trade is?

also the people are prone to abuse their laptop if they have a better warranty, OKAY, well Asus by default has
a 2 year global warranty
1 year accidental warranty
30 day ZERO bright dot (dead pixel) guarantee.

now according to your logic, shouldn't Asus be DEAD LAST with the most laptop failures?

your post has so much BS in it i dont even have the words to explain it.

try again



sorry i would rather have a device thats cooled properly rather than good looking, i cannot have any "kernel panics" or "Bsods" due to overheating hardware when im working on my projects, thats the reason why i went with the G53JW, one of the best cooling setups in a laptop.

BD is dead......... right not until something that has higher quality thats more easily accessible (perhaps online, but i would need a 100mbit/s internet connection)

garbage apple tv quality is not BD quality, im getting the feeling you dont even know what video quality is, resolution alone is not quality,

havent you heard? BD sales are sky rocketing over top of DVD



this is your idea of stability? an error message with no information to troubleshoot on?

Apple hardware lol sorry too slow and out of date for me.

I have been a Mac convert for one year now. My first was the late 2009 27" iMac (base C2D model). I never had a lock up. I was so pleased I dumped my VAIO laptop running Linux for a 13" MBP six months later. To date neither system has frozen on me - and both of these machines have C2D processors which everyone complains about . I run 2 to 3 Linux development VM's on Fusion on both my iMac and MBP and still no freeze ups. I can't say the same with all the windows machines I have owned in the past. Interestingly I have to run an XP VM from time to time for a legacy Access application (Ugh!) and XP is more stable running on my Macs as opposed to a stand alone OS when I was a Windows user ( over 2 decades of let downs and I have no idea why I didn't switch sooner).

Switching gears to BD, did you know that VuDu Box, Roku Box and now Netflix offer 1080P streaming? I believe 1080P is 1080P. So I am trying to understand how a BD would have higher resolution than 1080P when the high res LCD's and Plasmas are 1080P. Blu Ray will be dead like USB 3.0.