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You said Rev A. of all electronics. Do you have any data to backup such an assertion ? The fact is, Rev A.s only get more publicity, I have yet to see any data that indicates a higher number of affected to shipped units.

Again, blowing things out of proportion. That other guy that bitched about the Rev A comments was right. I bought a Rev A MacBook unibody in 2008, the only problem I had with it was a bearing noise that didn't impact function. Now I have a 13.3" MBA and don't have these issues for now (and probably won't have them ever).

Wow!!! You ask for statistics on the RevA thing and then you use your OWN AND UNIQUE experience to argue... That's not fanboyism at all, dude!!!!

The Rev A curse is common knowledge (and common sense too). One of the most expensive parts of every product development is quality testing. Good brands do a lot, but nowadays, with the pressure to develop fast and cheap products, quality testing is not as good as it used to be (or/and products are not as simple as they used to be). The thing is that everybody knows that first adopters are late beta testers, not only in electronics, but in cars, etc.
The reason is kind of obvious: the manufacturer makes a series of tests in as wide as possible conditions. Once you put your product in the market and real users, with different knowledge, different situations, different configurations, etc., the number of variables is much higher than you tested for. Then is very possible that things that you did not observe, actually happen in the wild. With time and complaints from users, you polish you original design to a much reliable one. THAT'S A FACT. Are all users going to be affected? Obviously not: the big mistakes are already found in regular tests. These problems affect to a limited number of customers, but still might be significant.
 
nVidia GPUs are cr*p. Mine died in my MBP 1 year and one week after purchase. There's like a clock in them so that they die when it's out of warranty. And a faulty GPU = replace entire motherboard = so expensive you'd rather buy a new computer for that price.
 
So last six months-

iPhone 4- proximity issues and grip-off-death
iPhoto '11- there go your pictures
iOS- alarms going off at wrong time
MacBook Air- suffering panic attacks

Go Apple.

My guess-

"We don't see functioning logic boards taking off right now.

-Sent from my iPhone"

Don't forget the mythical white iPhone! ;)
 
Don't forget the mythical white iPhone! ;)

I fail to see how Apple not releasing a product because they have not been able to get it right is a bad thing, especially within the context of this discussion!

I wish HTC had obsessed over getting my desire right, and google spent a bit more time making android a bit more intuitive before they unleashed it on the world!
 
in the words of school yard bully Nelson :rolleyes:
 

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Prob overheating gfx card. Apple hardware quality has gone downhill recently. The old cream machines were almost indestructible. My epic Mac Classic still works.

Ps has the yellow imac screen been fixed? My brother wanted one a while ago but I told him to wait for the screen fix.
 
Prob overheating gfx card. Apple hardware quality has gone downhill recently. The old cream machines were almost indestructible. My epic Mac Classic still works.

Ps has the yellow imac screen been fixed? My brother wanted one a while ago but I told him to wait for the screen fix.

That was fixed ages ago.
 
This is all great fun...

But statistics don't lie. As far as I am aware over the last few years apple has consistently had the lowest return rates, the lowest failure rates, the highest customer satisfaction rates and the best customer service in the Tech industry.

Not all their stuff makes it out the door in perfect working order. But statistically it is more likely to be working than a product from any other manufacturer.

My 15 inch PowerBook G4 arrived with some dead pixels in 2004... I sent it back, got a new one, it still works today... (yes, statistically the hard drive at least should have died by now)

What I am trying to say is that isolated cases don't prove anything. By all means post if you are actually having a problem. Then send your machine back and get a new one... All the other rev A prophets of doom should enrol in a stats 101 evening class and go buy a Dell...

everything you said was BS

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apple doesn't nearly have the highest reliability, Asus's failure rate is much lower hence why their warranty is 2 years GLOBAL, also they include a 1 year accidental warranty on almost all of their laptops.
 
nVidia GPUs are cr*p. Mine died in my MBP 1 year and one week after purchase. There's like a clock in them so that they die when it's out of warranty. And a faulty GPU = replace entire motherboard = so expensive you'd rather buy a new computer for that price.

lol no they arent, ive had nvidia cards in both laptops and desktops for as long as i can remember.

FX series (slow and crappy but not buggy like you describe)
>7800GT in SLI (no issues, overclocked from day 1)
>>9800GT in SLI (no issues, didnt need to OC)
>>>GTX470 in SLI (no issues, running right now)

as for laptops ive had

FX5600 (slow but not buggy, never had glitches)
8400M (rock solid, not bad for performance)
GTX460 (rock solid, fastest GPU for a 15" laptop)

however if you dont cool a GPU properly it will have tons of errors, try taking the heatsink off your CPU and see what happens, are you gonna call intel crappy and buggy too?

blame apple for their stupid approach to cooling (or lack of), oh wait! i forgot, apple does NO WRONG.
 
nVidia GPUs are cr*p. Mine died in my MBP 1 year and one week after purchase. There's like a clock in them so that they die when it's out of warranty. And a faulty GPU = replace entire motherboard = so expensive you'd rather buy a new computer for that price.

Prob overheating gfx card. Apple hardware quality has gone downhill recently.

GPUs are sensitive to heat - out of more than 100 Dells with mobile Quadros, have had two Nvidia failures. One due to a botched CPU upgrade (the heat pipe wasn't touching the GPU after reassembly), the other due to a red sofa (used every night on a red cloth sofa - the fan sucked in red fibers that completely clogged the radiator).

The thin design does contribute to some heating issues.
 
Wow!!! You ask for statistics on the RevA thing and then you use your OWN AND UNIQUE experience to argue... That's not fanboyism at all, dude!!!!

And you base your argument that the Rev A "curse" applies here based on a few anecdotal stories about failures ? :rolleyes:

And you call me a fanboy ? I have people that will attest I am not a fanboy, heck, they call me a apple hater all the time.

Common sense like you put it says to not jump to conclusions in the light of anecdotal evidence. If there was a major problem that caused massive logic board failures, you wouldn't have had such a great week over on the MacBook Air forum of Macrumors.

For now, these incidents seem isolated to a few units, which is probably within the normal failure rate of all electronics. The proper answer is not to make YouTube videos but to return the defective unit to Apple under warranty for a repair or exchange.
 
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In the 26-years I’ve been purchasing Apple/Mac gear, I have never seen a period of so many Apple products with latent defects. Apple has seemingly abandoned the QA/QC phase, and now ships based solely on a theory that “it just works”.

Regards,
Former Mac fanboy ~ :apple:
 
everything you said was BS

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apple doesn't nearly have the highest reliability, Asus's failure rate is much lower hence why their warranty is 2 years GLOBAL, also they include a 1 year accidental warranty on almost all of their laptops.


I stand thoroughly corrected...
not sure it means that everything I said was "BS" though.
 
So you love yourself ? :rolleyes:

I have been saying the same thing. Only time will tell if this is normal failure rates or if this is really a widespread issue. I think it's a little early to front page stuff like this with a headline like "MacBook Airs Experiencing Logic Board issues ?".

If there really was a short term widespread issue, the MacBook Air forum would've been ablaze already. Yet all you can read there is how happy people are with their purchases and whines about backlit keyboards.


it won't be a widespread issue for the simple reason that Apple won't sell enough of them to make it 'big'

only so many people can be fooled..;)
 
Personally, I've been a victim of 2 Rev.A Apple product problems.

I bought the original white MacBook when they first switched to Intel and that thing was just awfully built. The melting plastics and browning wristpads was ridiculous and even though Apple acknowledged the problem and would fix it, the same thing would happen 3 weeks later when your new wristpad turned brown. I remember all the fanboys here defending Apple with stuff like 'omg wash ur handz befreo u use ur comp' ... /sigh.

The I bought the first aluminum MacBook and ran into a combination of problems. Took me 3 exchanges to get one that worked right.
1. Battery door didn't close up properly. 2. LCD flickering on low brightness (did not occur on my first unit. 3. TILTED keyboard keys issue (widespread problem).

Needless to say, I will never purchase another Rev.A Apple product. I don't know how multiple $1200+ Apple computers have had more problems than my brother's multiple $600-700 ASUS laptops.
 
Fact: Apple has by all accounts been selling the new MBA like hotcakes -- I would guess over 100K units sold already

Fact: Some number of people on the internet are having what seem to be hardware problems -- looks like a dozen or two reports at most so far

Fact: Every single consumer electronics product manufactured has a certain number of bad units that go out the door, and this is of course more obvious when so many units are sold, and the people with problems post online for all to see

Fact: Apple seems to be taking care of customers who have the issue, and is generally known to stand behind their products -- highest consumer satisfaction rating in PC industry by far every year for years and years, yadda yadda

Conclusion: For now, appears to be in-line with every other consumer electronics product release in history. Why is this news again? Because there are some faulty units? When is this NOT the case? Anyway -- back up your data, and definitely consider AppleCare.

Fact: Fanboi.
 
i would go as far as to say, ALL electronic components are sensitive to heat, the hotter they run, the shorter their life span.

LOL - of course I agree.

My point, though, was that the only mobile Nvidia GPUs failures that I've had to deal with happened because the cooling solution was compromised by abuse.

In a thin laptop, the cooling solution can be compromised by design.
 
everything you said was BS

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apple doesn't nearly have the highest reliability, Asus's failure rate is much lower hence why their warranty is 2 years GLOBAL, also they include a 1 year accidental warranty on almost all of their laptops.

Besides, Apple only sells premium products which are supposed to have lower rate of failure. It's likely that business laptops from DELL and HP have lower rate of failure than MacBooks too.
 
everything you said was BS

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apple doesn't nearly have the highest reliability, Asus's failure rate is much lower hence why their warranty is 2 years GLOBAL, also they include a 1 year accidental warranty on almost all of their laptops.

This is an interesting data. Do you have data excluding hard drive failure? I imagine the numbers are going to be much lower if one excludes hard drive failures. I just can't imagine one out of six notebooks dies in three years (not to mention one out of five or even four!). Also, the data excluding hdd failure will represent true reliability of a laptop maker. I'm just curious.
 
it won't be a widespread issue for the simple reason that Apple won't sell enough of them to make it 'big'

only so many people can be fooled..;)

You're kidding right ? Have you even read the MacBook Air forums lately ? I and many others have purchased them and we have no issue at all right now. The things are selling like hot cakes.

Isolated issues are sure to creep up, that's why you get a warranty. Of course, some people want their 15 minutes of fame and would rather post to youtube instead of replacing their defective unit.

Like I said, if there really was some kind of mis-design resulting in overheating or some widespread logic board issue, there would be much more anecdotal evidence out there. Right now, these cases seem to fall within normal failure rates.

I type this on a MBA connected to an external display. I've been working on it for the last 30 minutes. I worked on it for an hour this morning. This is supposed to be the easiest way to make the issue appear, yet I haven't seen it at all. CPU temp is sitting at a cool 42 degrees C.
 
Meaningless, though true ....

ALL the older hardware from that "beige Mac" era was built much more reliably than anything you're going to get today, at least in a "consumer" product lineup!

My old HP LaserJet III and IV printers are "tanks" compared to any laser printer I can buy from HP today for "small business" or "departmental" use. My old IBM PC XT will still fire up and run just fine today, and with that steel keyboard and case it had -- it's still holding up well physically too.

Back then, they simply didn't conceive of customers wanting to "retire" the equipment after 3-4 years of use. They assumed the stuff needed to be built to last much longer....

When you compare hardware actually built and sold today from different manufacturers? Apple's products still stack up quite well against the competition, repair-wise and quality-wise.


Prob overheating gfx card. Apple hardware quality has gone downhill recently. The old cream machines were almost indestructible. My epic Mac Classic still works.

Ps has the yellow imac screen been fixed? My brother wanted one a while ago but I told him to wait for the screen fix.
 
it won't be a widespread issue for the simple reason that Apple won't sell enough of them to make it 'big'

only so many people can be fooled..;)

LOL! A 2lb laptop with the power to run VM's? How can you be serious? They are the future of laptops.

http://www.cultofmac.com/virtual-machines-work-great-on-the-new-macbook-air/66857

Who would not want light and fast when traveling on a plane? I was on a plane last week and some guy two rows up had a huge 17" Dell on his tray playing Scrabble. If he was sitting next to me I would have "accidentally" knocked that beast off the tray and into the aisle.
 
Besides, Apple only sells premium products which are supposed to have lower rate of failure. It's likely that business laptops from DELL and HP have lower rate of failure than MacBooks too.

This is an interesting data. Do you have data excluding hard drive failure? I imagine the numbers are going to be much lower if one excludes hard drive failures. I just can't imagine one out of six notebooks dies in three years (not to mention one out of five or even four!). Also, the data excluding hdd failure will represent true reliability of a laptop maker. I'm just curious.

http://www.squaretrade.com/pages/laptop-reliability-1109

more info,

Square trade is the largest warranty supplier, alot of companies just use them solely for warranty work (rather than having warranty done inhouse)
 
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