EugW
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That's not a very specific answer. However, if say you have an i7-2620M, the improvement will be even less.
The 2011 i7-2620M is probably around as fast as a 2016 m5-6Y54 MacBook, give or take.
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The 2011 i7-2620M is probably around as fast as a 2016 m5-6Y54 MacBook, give or take.
Dave245
macrumors G4
I’m not very spec wise so i don’t know other than I have a 2011 MacBook Pro 15”, 2.2GHz Quad core, 750GB hard drive with 8GB Ram.
EugW
macrumors P6
That is probably the i7-2720QM. That is likely much faster than all of the 2018 MacBooks.
Dave245
macrumors G4
Dave245
macrumors G4
So if my 2011 MacBook Pro is faster than the 2018 MacBooks, will I even notice any difference when buying a 12” MacBook or should I just opt for the 13” MacBook Pro?
toddzrx
macrumors 6502a
If you are at all interested, check out this website for specs on all macs ever released back to 1984:
https://everymac.com/
Hi Dave!
I think that you'll know which one you love the most when you see them both side by side.
Wait for the new MacBook with the 3rd generation keyboard and then compare the two.
Also, it depends on how much you want to spend of course.
Go to an Apple store, have a coffee and something nice to eat and take your time. Enjoy the experience. (WHY do they not have Baristas in Apple Stores and a nice place to eat & chat?)
THEN leave the store without buying.
Then, return a few days later. WHY? Because it's amazing how you can be impressed upon a first visit and then not be so impressed on the second viewing. By doing this, you'll know what feels right to you!
Only you can decide. But you must feel 100% certain.
(I did this a few years ago, I bought a pair of Atomic Floyd Super Dart earphones from the Apple Store. Great reviews in all of the mags, online etc and on Apple site itself but something just didn't do it for me.
I was tempted to return them the following week but decided to keep them in the end. Long term - I was never truly happy with them - they lacked bass, were heavy because of the metal design AND the kevlar cable wore out on the headphone jack in time - which was the reason that I bought them because the Kevlar was supposed to be strong. It wasn't!
Now I have AirPods and they are damn fantastic HOWEVER before that, I used the Apple EarPods and at £25 they were great and that's coming from a pair of £200 earphones. Were the SuperDarts 8 times better sounding than the Ear Pods? No way - not even twice!!!
Lesson - Follow your heart and instinct 🙂
I'm currently in a predicament of choosing between the base model 2017 MB and the base model 2017 13" Non TB MBPro.
However, now that both base models are the same price I am taking a second look at the 13" Non TB MBPro, and I'm struggling to decide which machine would be more appropriate. I think at the moment the form factor is close enough that I could be happy with either. My real question is whether the 2017 12" MB provides enough performance to future proof it, and perform well enough into the future in a similar way to my 11" Air. If the Non TB MBPro has a significant performance advantage (on the caveat of the tasks I use it for) I could compromise on the form factor. The main requirements I have are...
Cheers
Al
- I have been using a Mid 2011 11" Air (1.6, 4gb, 128gb) for the last seven years, that has more or less performed very well with anything I have used it for. I use it for the usual recreational tasks, business admin, and occasionally some light Pro Tools editing work. Unfortunately the keyboard gave up last week otherwise I would have been satisfied to use the machine for the foreseeable future. The main strength of the machine to me was it's portability/form factor that meant it was very mobile. The negatives were battery life and at times lack of enough storage. I had no real opinion of it's speed as I never felt it lacked for the tasks I use it for.
- Since they were released I had decided that the MB 12 would be the next machine I buy, for it's even better form factor. To me it looks like an evolution of my 11" Air.
However, now that both base models are the same price I am taking a second look at the 13" Non TB MBPro, and I'm struggling to decide which machine would be more appropriate. I think at the moment the form factor is close enough that I could be happy with either. My real question is whether the 2017 12" MB provides enough performance to future proof it, and perform well enough into the future in a similar way to my 11" Air. If the Non TB MBPro has a significant performance advantage (on the caveat of the tasks I use it for) I could compromise on the form factor. The main requirements I have are...
- Portability
- Battery Life
- Consistent future performance
- Great screen
Cheers
Al
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A used 2015 11" Air ?
I have one as my travel laptop, and like it very very much. If the cost is a fraction of that of a new laptop and it is sufficient for your needs...
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HappyIntro
macrumors 6502
I think you will be pleased with either of these. I am typing this on my 2017 MacBook that I love, but I'm a fan of the nTB MBP as well.
Portability - MacBook wins, it's awesome in this respect
Battery Life - Either would be strong choices, if I had to guess I'd lean toward the nTB MBP for the win here
Consistent future performance - nTB MBP definitely has significantly more horsepower, no contest (however it sounds like Mojave will boost responsiveness in all Macs, providing weaker CPUs with a longer useable lifespan)
Great screen - nTB MBP wins here with its larger, brighter screen. The MB has a very nice screen, it just doesn't seem as nice as the latest MBP's screens.
So you'll have to weight these factors as you see fit - maybe Portability trumps all. I do know that when I stuff my MB into my backpack (in a soft case), I really appreciate that I'm not weighing myself down. I feels as light as an iPad, but I get the power of MacOS.
While I am happy with my 2015 MacBook, I will probably get a base 2018 model around Black Friday, if price is right
EugW
macrumors P6
Even the 2017 is noticeably more responsive than the 2015. The 2018 should feel even faster.
Plus, I really don't like the 2015's keyboard. The 2017's keyboard isn't stellar, but it's still a vast improvement over the 2015's IMHO.
Dave245
macrumors G4
Hi Paul, I'm taking tomorrow off work and i will be meeting up with some friends for a trip to Birmingham, while there i will go into the Apple store (i never miss a trip to the Apple store any time i'm at a city that has one), while there i will be looking at the new 13" MacBook Pro that just got updated and the 12" MacBook side by side, i try both out! even tho the 2018 MacBook hasn't been announced yet i don't think there will be a redesign so apart from the 3rd generation Butterfly keyboard and some new internal specs i don't think there will be much difference between the current 2017 and the 2018 when it finally get's an update.
Actually your suggestion of having a Barista inside of Apple store's is a great idea, many people (myself included) spend a good chunk of time inside of Apple stores so it would certainly be a great idea.
I have seen the 12" MacBook a few times in the Apple store (i've posted about it a few times i'm sure) i even tested out last years model while i was there and i was impressed, i continue to be impressed with the size and weight of the 12" MacBook but also the fact that Apple have managed to put a full-size keyboard and trackpad inside.
My thought's tomorrow when testing them out side by side are going to be centred around which one (12" MacBook or 13" MacBook Pro) can i easily take around the house, also put in my bag and take with me (on the very small occasions that i do that) but also work well with my iMac 2012 (until i update that) and my iPad Pro 12.9" second generation.
The devices i own all have different use cases, iPad Pro 12.9" is great for drawing and editing photos in Affinity Photo, my 27" iMac is great as my main desktop to edit small videos in Final Cut or even iMovie, and it's great for split screen when writing and putting Safari side by side.
But i still need something that i can carry around the house, sit out in the garden with and write for long periods of time, i find that my iMac just isn't that neither is my iPad Pro (mainly because as much as i love IOS i also love MacOS for working).
I had the same dilemma. Ultimately i went with the nTB 13" MBP because it offered better value in my eyes.
- Portability - big advantage to the 12" MB. 1/3rd lighter and completely silent (no fans)
- Battery Life - Maybe a slight edge to the 13" MBP but I think its a wash.
- Consistent future performance - Decent edge to the MBP. Higher base clock speed and stronger graphics chip should translate in more consistent performance for a longer time with your usage patterns.
- Great screen - Decent edge to the MBP. Bigger screen, almost twice as bright and more vibrant due to P3 color gamut
I have a late 2013 15inch Macbook pro and i've had the 2015 12inch Macbook and now currently have the 2017 12inch "i7" Macbook.
I use these computers for pretty heavy Lightroom work, photo editing, emails, internet etc
Here is my verdict.
Even though the 2013 15inch is a more "powerful" cpu and a fantastic machine, I find myself almost exclusively using the 2017 12inch Macbook. I think it is an incredible form factor that I can take with me everywhere I go and not notice its weight/size. It is "fast enough" for everything I have used it. No issue with Lightroom editing. The only time it is slow, and by slow, noticeably slow, is on in-port/exporting/processing files - so i'm guessing if you are doing heavy encoding/processing tasks it wouldn't be an ideal choice, but for short intensive tasks, like editing adjustments etc, it is perfectly fine for me.
The difference between the 2015 and 2017 is night and day. The 2015 has noticeable issues, lag etc.
I am personally excited to see what the 2018 model brings, and if it is a noticeable improvement similar to the performance boost of the 2017 over the 2015 in speed I will seriously consider it.
Something else to note. I really wish apple would get rid of that stupid gimmick touch bar on the pros and beyond fingerprint ID, i seriously hope they DO NOT bring it to the Macbook.
It's funny isn't how Touch Bar is a 50 /50. People either LOVE IT or HATE IT. Personally, I love it. Final Cut Pro X is SUPERB using TB!!! I'm not sure why people don't like it. To me, it makes the MacBook Pro look really modern 🙂
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OH WOW! Have a great time Dave. Yes, Angela, Head of Apple's stores has always talked about making Apple Stores a more lifestyle gathering place and it's crying out for a cool bar organic food area!
Look how well it works at RAPHA the cyclin brand. I've also got to say, being an espresso EXPERT, the Rapha shop has the BEST tasting espresso in the UK by far!!!!! It's strong and incredible to the taste. Also amazing orange cake with cream cheese frosting 🙂 And fab bags of granola for sale 🙂
I had an iMac at university and a desktop to me was so inconvenient. It now sits in a corner in a spare room and gets used once every 2 years sadly.
VERY INTERESTING that the non TB MacBook Pro has not been updated with no new keyboard even. What does that indicate? The fact that it's going to be replaced very very very soon?
Exciting times.
Gotta say, I've quite fallen for the 13" TB MacBook Pro. IF ONLY they could of made a 12" one! 🙂
I'll be gutted when they discontinue the rose gold on the MacBook. I love that colour as it changes in sunlight and always looks beautiful.
EugW
macrumors P6
You love it because you use Final Cut X.
Judging by my friends and family and posts in this forum. I'd guess two-thirds of those who absolutely love the Touch Bar are Final Cut X users.
Being honest, I love the design implementation of it on a MacBook Pro. I very seldom use the F keys (only for volume adjustment and that's it) and to me, the TB makes the whole design look so much more modern. To me, the non TB version looks like a real cheaper, basic version because of the lack of it.
Each to their own, but I love it 🙂
I think the oposite. The nTB MBP has that sophisticated simplicity the Apple laptops are known for. On the other had, the pixelated touchbar slapped on top of the keyboard looks like a cheap afterthought. Something ASUS gaming laptops would have. Shame, as it ruins the visual experience that the excellent retina screen provides.
There you go buddy. It's a 50/50 thing amongst us Mac boys 🙂 🙂 🙂 At least there is the choice 🙂
Now my iPhone X is just beautiful. BEST design the i've ever had the pleasure to use 🙂 And the AirPods - PERFECT! And Apple TV 4K - PERFECTION! 🙂 🙂 🙂
Dont have the Apple TV but I fully agree with you on the X and especially on the airpods.
Hardly.
15" ? No choice.
13" ? ntb not updated, and still left at the same price as over a year ago, with the same hardware.
Also, I am curious about the "50/50" figure. Where is the source that says the ratio is exactly 50/50 ?
Dave245
macrumors G4
The Touch Bar seems very popular among people who use Final Cut Pro X, it speeds up the work flow for a lot of editors.
Yea i think Angela is certainly pointing Apple in that direction think it's a great way for them to go, during yesterdays visit to the Birmingham Apple store i noticed that there is a lot of "wasted space" in the stores where they could easily put a coffee bar and seating area.
It was a great day with a few friends, we tried the drinks at Hotel Chocolat, the cold coffee was really nice in the hot weather 🙂
I tried out both the MacBook Pro's and the 12" MacBook, i did keep going back to the 12" MacBook, it's such a great size that i can carry around the house as well as out and about. Also using the "more space" option in the display setting's i tested out my work flow, i opened Pages (they don't have apps like Final Draft in the store) and Safari using split view i was easily able to type while also looking at Safari tabs (something i do while researching or general web browsing).
Even tho i liked the Touch Bar on the MacBook Pro and the 13" really seemed portable i do think that when Apple update the 12" MacBook later this year that it will be the one that i buy. I wouldn't mind if they made 13" version but if they don't i will be more than happy to buy the 13" MacBook, either in gold or space grey i'm thinking 🙂
I was surprised by something that i didn't think i would be, while in Birmingham i did go to Currys PC World and played around with the Surface devices, to be fair the Surface Pro was impressive (it was my first hands on with one fully) for a Windows running machine, it felt premium and the software it was running seemed to be just as fast as when using touch on the iPad. I came out of the store being pretty impressed to be honest.
My take away thoughts were better than i had anticipated:
- The display on the Surface Pro and the Surfacebook was better than i had thought.
- They were very responsive
- The keyboard on the Surface Pro didn't seem as cheap and plasticly made as it may look
- Windows seems optimised well for touch
waquzy
macrumors 68000
I went to the Leicester's HighCross Apple Store yesterday to try out new MacBook Pro's, imo the difference between keyboards is very minimal from 2017/2018. I tried out the 13' Touch Bar and the 13' nTB 2017 Pro's. I was really surprised how the touch bar doesn't make me fancy it anymore over the nTB, infact I prefer the physical keys. Also nTB has a lot better battery compared to the TB version. I ran the only available benchmark test I could and it was the Octane 2.0, the 2018 Pro scored 39989 compared to the nTB 2017 37072. The result surprised me so much, in fact I was so into the nTB model I went home and ordered the 256GB 2017 nTB from ebay for £939, condition: like new with only 30 battery cycles. Also it has 9 months Apple Warranty left. What a bargain.
Anyways, they also had the Surface Books there, I don't know it just doesn't appeal to me at all, the best windows laptop is still the XPS line for me. But windows doesn't come close to the macOS, so these machines aren't even an option. MacBook's design is still by far the best out there, when you put it next to the Surface Book, Microsoft's machine just looks ugly.
I have to check out the Birmingham's store, I have actually never been there since they moved out of the Bullring