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That extra 1.3” diagonal makes a huge amount of difference. The fact it will likely be a passively cooled machine means it won’t cannibalise the pro lineup in the same way the air started to with the 2014 and 2015 pros. They could adopt a similar pricing strategy as the 13” ntb MacBook Pro and start it equal to the 12” (cut to $999?) but with 128gb of storage rather than 256. Alternatively, they could go the +$100 for the larger model route like they did for the airs - pretty much equivalently specced the 13.3” was $100 more than the 11.6”.

This is a brilliant point, also it gives Apple the room to then remove the Air and the MacBook fits nicely in it’s place. Whether they will do this at an event later this year I don’t know, they could decide to announce them at the September event during a big keynote, similar to how they did the other year when the iPad Pro was first announced along with new iPhone’s and new Apple Watch.
 
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This is a brilliant point, also it gives Apple the room to then remove the Air and the MacBook fits nicely in it’s place. Whether they will do this at an event later this year I don’t know, they could decide to announce them at the September event during a big keynote, similar to how they did the other year when the iPad Pro was first announced along with new iPhone’s and new Apple Watch.
Yeah I agree they will likely want to get rid of the air at this point - having killed off the 2015 pro it looks like they are pretty set on rolling out USB C/ butterfly/ retina machines across the lineup. Whether they will cut the MB right down to air equivalent pricing, I’m not sure, perhaps they will deem that $1,099 is close enough without being such a huge dent to their margins? By now the assembly lines should have bedded in and components become cheaper to the point they should be able to knock $200 off without going below their margin threshold. It’s also possible they will decide the MB is selling well enough at its current price that $1,299 & whatever that translates to globally is the new price of admission to a MacBook.
 
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Are there any new processors available that Apple could use in these Macbook’s? I’m just asking because it makes me wonder why Apple is waiting, the MacBook Pro got a silent update and if the processors are ready for the current 12” and a new 13” then what’s the hold up?
Amber Lake Y, mentioned earlier in the thread.

They will be faster chips but still 14 nm and still dual-core.


So, given this is a speculation and rumors site - what advantages would their be to a 13 inch vs a 12 inch macbook? Sure there's the screen size, but would the 13" for sure be the more expensive model? or are there some kind of economies/manufacturing savings that Apple could get using a slightly bigger frame?

I personally think they've got huge margins already, and Apple is just trying to come up with something that won't cannibalize MBP sales.
Apple has always made the larger sizes in a line more expensive. The best analogy here I would say is the 12" iBook vs. the 14" iBook. The machines were the same specs, except the 14" was bigger. The one odd thing there though is they both had the same resolution. The 14" just had bigger pixels. I hope they don't do the same thing with a 13" MacBook.

I could see Apple (eventually) an ARM in these, but I don't see Apple just putting ARM in a 13" and not a 12" at the same time.

As for lower pricing, one might guess that the 12" would drop in price, and a higher resolution 13" would take its place in the pricing tier, making the 12" the new value machine.


I wonder if in the 13" MacBook -- if indeed there does emerge one -- Apple will provide two USB-C ports instead of just the one that is in the 12"?
Maybe Apple needs to muster up a bit more courage and drop the headphone jack, and replace it with a 2nd USB-C jack. But arguably, the 2-port 13" already exists, sort of, as a dual-core MacBook Pro.
 
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I wonder if in the 13" MacBook -- if indeed there does emerge one -- Apple will provide two USB-C ports instead of just the one that is in the 12"?
If they don’t make the casing edges thicker, or the taper more gradual I don’t think they would be able to without axing the headphone jack. They might well decide to do that if they are really serious about wireless audio though, these machines are probably the ones they’d test it out on first.
 
Yeah I agree they will likely want to get rid of the air at this point - having killed off the 2015 pro it looks like they are pretty set on rolling out USB C/ butterfly/ retina machines across the lineup. Whether they will cut the MB right down to air equivalent pricing, I’m not sure, perhaps they will deem that $1,099 is close enough without being such a huge dent to their margins? By now the assembly lines should have bedded in and components become cheaper to the point they should be able to knock $200 off without going below their margin threshold. It’s also possible they will decide the MB is selling well enough at its current price that $1,299 & whatever that translates to globally is the new price of admission to a MacBook.

Amber Lake Y, mentioned earlier in the thread.

They will be faster chips but still 14 nm and still dual-core.



Apple has always made the larger sizes in a line more expensive. The best analogy here I would say is the 12" iBook vs. the 14" iBook. The machines were the same specs, except the 14" was bigger. The one odd thing there though is they both had the same resolution. The 14" just had bigger pixels. I hope they don't do the same thing with a 13" MacBook.

I could see Apple (eventually) an ARM in these, but I don't see Apple just putting ARM in a 13" and not a 12" at the same time.

As for lower pricing, one might guess that the 12" would drop in price, and a higher resolution 13" would take its place in the pricing tier, making the 12" the new value machine.



Maybe Apple needs to muster up a bit more courage and drop the headphone jack, and replace it with a 2nd USB-C jack. But arguably, the 2-port 13" already exists, sort of, as a dual-core MacBook Pro.

What is very interesting about one of the reports that came out about the 13” version is that the display will have the same resolution as the 13” MacBook Pro but the quality panel won’t be the same. I did talk about it in another thread a while ago but I can’t seem to find the report now (if I do I will reference it here). Not sure why they would use the same resolution as the MacBook Pro.
 
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What is very interesting about one of the reports that came out about the 13” version is that the display will have the same resolution as the 13” MacBook Pro but the quality panel won’t be the same. I did talk about it in another thread a while ago but I can’t seem to find the report now (if I do I will reference it here). Not sure why they would use the same resolution as the MacBook Pro.
I think the reason is because of how retina works, they’re pretty well stuck at @2x 1280x800 (2560x1600 real pixels) by lower quality I guess they primarily mean not P3 colour gamut or the ultra bright backlighting?
 
I think the reason is because of how retina works, they’re pretty well stuck at @2x 1280x800 (2560x1600 real pixels) by lower quality I guess they primarily mean not P3 colour gamut or the ultra bright backlighting?

This is some of what I read:

“This comes from a DigiTimes analyst who claims that Apple is using LG Display for the new 13.3-inch screens, which will boast the same resolution as the Retina-toting MacBook Pro: 2,560 x 1,600 pixels.”

https://www.techradar.com/uk/news/a...with-retina-display-priced-like-a-macbook-air

However I did read somewhere else the report that said the display would not be as good as the one from the MacBook Pro something about ip I think? Really wish I could find that article it went into more details and named the lady that had mentioned LG display.
 
This is some of what I read:

“This comes from a DigiTimes analyst who claims that Apple is using LG Display for the new 13.3-inch screens, which will boast the same resolution as the Retina-toting MacBook Pro: 2,560 x 1,600 pixels.”

https://www.techradar.com/uk/news/a...with-retina-display-priced-like-a-macbook-air

However I did read somewhere else the report that said the display would not be as good as the one from the MacBook Pro something about ip I think? Really wish I could find that article it went into more details and named the lady that had mentioned LG display.
The 12" MacBook is not True Tone and it isn't even wide colour gamut.

The quad 13" MacBook Pro has been wide colour gamut for years, and recently got True Tone.

Presumably a 13" MacBook would have a Retina but non-WCG non-True Tone display, just like its little 12" brother.

Personally I don't care here much about WCG and True Tone. The things that matter to me for a laptop like this are Retina, and a second USB-C port. An improved trackpad would be nice too. (The feel of the trackpad is superior on the Pros, presumably because they have a stronger haptic engine.) And now that I'm making a wish list, I'll also wish for more keyboard travel (fat chance), and a better FaceTime display. The one on the current MacBook is not only only 480p but also very low quality in low light. It's horrid.
 
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This is some of what I read:

“This comes from a DigiTimes analyst who claims that Apple is using LG Display for the new 13.3-inch screens, which will boast the same resolution as the Retina-toting MacBook Pro: 2,560 x 1,600 pixels.”

https://www.techradar.com/uk/news/a...with-retina-display-priced-like-a-macbook-air

However I did read somewhere else the report that said the display would not be as good as the one from the MacBook Pro something about ip I think? Really wish I could find that article it went into more details and named the lady that had mentioned LG display.
I guess that kind of kills off any realistic hope of a 14 inch MacBook - can only really hope at this point they decide to produce a 15 inch version as they have really moved the pro to be a particularly expensive power-focused machine, compounded by a weak £. Spending that much on a computer and as a result wanting it to last out another year of use would probably make me overly reticent to use it properly :confused:
 
1 thing I hope for is built-in 1080p webcam for business conferences.
I think the issue there is that upping the resolution when there’s no room for a bigger sensor can actually be detrimental to image quality. Particularly low light, as the pixels are represented by a smaller fragment of the sensor.
 
I wonder if in the 13" MacBook -- if indeed there does emerge one -- Apple will provide two USB-C ports instead of just the one that is in the 12"?
I wonder if we will get any kind of Thunderbolt support.

Does Amber Lake support Thunderbolt 3 natively, anyone?
 
Well, whatever happens with the 12" MacBook or a possible addition of a 13" MacBook, I won't be in the market for it, as this next time around I'll need to be focusing on replacing my "daily driver" machine with something which will probably be one of the new MacBook Pros. I'm watching and waiting to see more comments from reviewers and users and I'm glad to see that already Apple has stepped in to resolve the big issue with overheating and throttling.
 
I'm finding you guys interesting with your ideas but I feel that you are a LONG WAY OFF.

There are ZERO leaks of this 13" MacBook. NOTHING. WHY waste all of your time & R&D in making a 'cheap' 13" new product when you've got the 12" at a higher price which is far too near to the MacBook Pro?

And WHY have three laptops in the Apple range when we now see Apple with 2 items in the 'newer' iPad line up which is one of their main interests along with the new iPhone range X, Plus and a cheaper 6.1?

All this speculation is crazy at this moment in time. Try and think of how Apple would do it. With ARM a year or so a way, what does that tell you? A brand new 13" MacBook a year before? No.

The MacBook is 4 in the spring of 2019, we'll most likely see its replacement then.
 
I'm finding you guys interesting with your ideas but I feel that you are a LONG WAY OFF.

There are ZERO leaks of this 13" MacBook. NOTHING. WHY waste all of your time & R&D in making a 'cheap' 13" new product when you've got the 12" at a higher price which is far too near to the MacBook Pro?

And WHY have three laptops in the Apple range when we now see Apple with 2 items in the 'newer' iPad line up which is one of their main interests along with the new iPhone range X, Plus and a cheaper 6.1?

All this speculation is crazy at this moment in time. Try and think of how Apple would do it. With ARM a year or so a way, what does that tell you? A brand new 13" MacBook a year before? No.

The MacBook is 4 in the spring of 2019, we'll most likely see its replacement then.

Just throwing ideas out there my friend :)

I don't expect to be 100% right with it but what makes it more reliable for me is that both Ming Chi Kuo and Mark Gurman have confirmed the 13" MacBook, Ming did use to refer to it as the new 13" Air but in his last report he said that wasn't the case and his sources have confirmed it will be a new 13" MacBook that's going into production for a September announcement, wouldn't it awesome if it was an ARM MacBook but it was announced this year?

Either way i'm upgrading this year, i'm waiting until September-October time and then if the 12" is updated i will get that but if they do announce a 13" version i will probably jump on that instead, i have a feeling that either way i won't be disappointed.

If they do announce a new redesigned replacement in 2019 for the MacBook i will probably sell the one i buy this year and get the redesigned 2019 version, i really don't want to wait any longer than this year.
 
There are ZERO leaks of this 13" MacBook. NOTHING.
There were no leaks on the renewed rMBP either, everyone was surprised including reviewers used to getting units in advance! This of course might mean nothing for the new Macbook, since the rMBP is really a (massive but still) incremental update, but I just don't think enough people are willing to pay for leaks related to Macs when iPhones exist.
 
There were no leaks on the renewed rMBP either, everyone was surprised including reviewers used to getting units in advance! This of course might mean nothing for the new Macbook, since the rMBP is really a (massive but still) incremental update, but I just don't think enough people are willing to pay for leaks related to Macs when iPhones exist.

Also are leakers willing to take the risk now that Apple have got more firm on them? Would you risk leaking a 13” version of a product that already exists? Especially if it means gong to prison.

Granted the design could be a little different but I suspect it won’t be anything dramatic, the Air had a 11” and a 13” version and the difference between the two isn’t really that dramatic.
 
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Also are leakers willing to take the risk now that Apple have got more firm on them? Would you risk leaking a 13” version of a product that already exists? Especially if it means gong to prison.
Precisely. Too much to lose over a product that ultimately isn't THAT exciting. If there would be any Mac related leak soon I'd expect it to be the new Mac Pro.
 
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When Intel's Ice-Lake inevitably gets delayed to 2020, I hope that Apple say "F-it, we're bringing the ARM MacBook plan forward a year".
 
I wonder if we will get any kind of Thunderbolt support.

Does Amber Lake support Thunderbolt 3 natively, anyone?

Unfortunately not, most likely icy lake in 2020.

But I really hope they add a third-party controller for TB3 capability to the MB this time.

The MacBook Pro 13" is too bulky for my typical usage. The result is that at the moment I am stuck with a macbook 12 plus a desktop because there is no way to dock a full TB3 docking station to the macbook. If that would be possible I would immediately upgrade to a maxed out MB12 and drop the desktop... That would be amazing. Waiting until 2020 sounds ridiculous, it will force me to switch to another laptop producer, cannot wait two more years...
 
Unfortunately not, most likely icy lake in 2020.

But I really hope they add a third-party controller for TB3 capability to the MB this time.

The MacBook Pro 13" is too bulky for my typical usage. The result is that at the moment I am stuck with a macbook 12 plus a desktop because there is no way to dock a full TB3 docking station to the macbook. If that would be possible I would immediately upgrade to a maxed out MB12 and drop the desktop... That would be amazing. Waiting until 2020 sounds ridiculous, it will force me to switch to another laptop producer, cannot wait two more years...
There’s no room on the logic board for a separate TB3 controller chip, and it consumes over 2 watts of power; the CPU itself only draws 4.5 Watts. For these reasons TB3 is not expected until Intel integrates it, expected with Ice Lake. Seems like you’ll have to move to a Windows PC :(
 
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There’s no room on the logic board for a separate TB3 controller chip, and it consumes over 2 watts of power; the CPU itself only draws 4.5 Watts. For these reasons TB3 is not expected until Intel integrates it, expected with Ice Lake. Seems like you’ll have to move to a Windows PC :(

These are good points and part of the reason I chose to buy my 2017 MacBook last month. I didn't want to wait for an upgrade that may not even show up in 2018 and could just turn out to be a CPU update to Amber Lake, which is nice, but not exactly game changing if the form factor remains the same (one USB-C port, 2nd gen keyboard). However I'd love to be surprised by Apple on this
 
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