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New Macbook Pro 13 specs?
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People are just full of it. I don't care much for the rumors at this point. In only 5 days we will all know what's up! And then pour our wallets into Apple's bank accounts.
I hope you realize that the 5 day prediction is a rumor in itself. They haven't introduced hardware at WWDC in a while. It's only expected because of limited product releases in the first half up to this point.
You could build 4 usb3 ports into one today. You could have 16GB of ram as an upgrade option. The 15 and 17" models pretty much use the same specs these days aside from screen resolution. I'm also tired of the term "retina display". We've all seen their napkin math, and it remains a marketing term.
makes sense for the 13", maybe they'll drop the price too - no retina, still 1280x800? the pricing currently has the 13"MBA only a tiny bit more expensive, I don't see the point having a 13" MBP updated to be a bit thinner and removing the ethernet and superdrive - you'd end up with an 'almost' MBA but worse and $100 less. Whats the point?
Keep the MBP at a good price point as an entry device, and have the slim MBPs start at 15" to lure people in, along with the 13" MBA
Keep the MBP at a good price point as an entry device, and have the slim MBPs start at 15" to lure people in, along with the 13" MBA
if you want to get all picky, they could put way more than 4 USB ports in. they could put in 32GB RAM as well (DIMMs are slowly becoming available).
apple IS a marketing company. a social, consumer based company. why even bother try to explain it to people? it's a waste of time
Future Apple product portfolio spreading too thin?
Hi, Like many of you here on these pages I was somewhat saddened to see that Apple apparently will NOT present a significant upgrade of Mac's this summer. I do believe it is time, and I was hoping. So the sad news got me thinking, that maybe Steve Jobs did only leave a certain number of "coming news" - so that the developers (and marketing people) at Apple have to spread it out (the tiny bits and pieces they do have) over several years, until they really have something new to show? I know it's all just guessing, but a significant "WOW" feeling/experience from Apple IS highly due!
Hi, Like many of you here on these pages I was somewhat saddened to see that Apple apparently will NOT present a significant upgrade of Mac's this summer. I do believe it is time, and I was hoping. So the sad news got me thinking, that maybe Steve Jobs did only leave a certain number of "coming news" - so that the developers (and marketing people) at Apple have to spread it out (the tiny bits and pieces they do have) over several years, until they really have something new to show? I know it's all just guessing, but a significant "WOW" feeling/experience from Apple IS highly due!
I for one, as a lover of both apple and technology was actually somewhat satisfied with these specs. Whether they prove to be true or not is another arguement.
I feel that with the premium we currently pay on SSD's, the MBP would come at a MASSIVE cost. I would love to see an option for a quad core 13, and an improved display but for me, I am pleased the see apple incorporating the new ivy bridge processors and staying true to the macbook pro legacy, by giving users options to upgrade to ssd's rather than shoving it down their throrats.
I feel that with the premium we currently pay on SSD's, the MBP would come at a MASSIVE cost. I would love to see an option for a quad core 13, and an improved display but for me, I am pleased the see apple incorporating the new ivy bridge processors and staying true to the macbook pro legacy, by giving users options to upgrade to ssd's rather than shoving it down their throrats.
I have been using Apple product since I'm 8 (I had a Macintosh), and I've had lots of iPod and Power/Macbook through my teenage. Also in parrallel I have the chance to study marketing, business intelligence and sociology.
tl;dr: It absolutelly make sense in term of market strategy that Apple won't innovate at all anymore, won't even provide better or even up-to-date specs, because they don't need to (thanks to the new majority of customers of the mainstream market, and the best PR/Marketing strategy to make fanboys accept it) and the need for Apple to grow in number while cutting costs on new markets like Brasil and China to counter Microsoft and Google.
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So whatever hypocritical or noob fanboys say, here is the situation of Apple: Apple built its success on better products for better people. Pretty much like a trend is at first adopted by sensitive, knowledgable, smart people but then it gets adopted by less sensitive, knowledgable, smart people, and less and less...until it becomes mainstream.
That's what's happening: Apple has always been expensive but for good reasons, their products were qualitative in terms of software (more stable and few bugs, snow leopard being the best) and hardware (durable material, I had a Powerbook and old Macbook pro for 6 years) and innovative (they brought tons of new and RELEVANT features for the user experience with each update, and made the design evolve with almost each iteration).
But that was all Steve Jobs, and you must be damn stupid and naive to think it will be the same now. In fact just look at the period when SJ was fired from Apple by stockholders. Well now he is defunct. And the fact that the stockholder didn't choose Jon Ive (design engineer) or Scott Forstall (software engineer) but Tim Cook (stock/distribution manager) should say it all: Apple doesn't do qualititative or innovative products anymore and they don't need to.
Today, Apple has reach the mainstream market and has developed the best PR strategy. Typically the most recent users are dumb, ignorant and influencable to the point where you can make them accept to be screwed by rationnalizing things that would be otherwise indefendable. The market strategy for Apple, in order to counter attack Android or Microsoft strategies who are first on their respective market, is not innovation anymore but mass selling on new markets like China or Brasil. Sell more and innovate less to cut cost.
So if the next iteration of Macbook Pro only had Ivy Bridge (which all laptop now have), Intel HD 4000 but no real graphic card, 2 USB 3.0 (which all computer now have), no SSD, no new design (4 years after this one was released), no retina display, and more over because that's what we forget, no innovation/new thing that other laptops don't have...it doesn't surprise me.
tl;dr: It absolutelly make sense in term of market strategy that Apple won't innovate at all anymore, won't even provide better or even up-to-date specs, because they don't need to (thanks to the new majority of customers of the mainstream market, and the best PR/Marketing strategy to make fanboys accept it) and the need for Apple to grow in number while cutting costs on new markets like Brasil and China to counter Microsoft and Google.
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So whatever hypocritical or noob fanboys say, here is the situation of Apple: Apple built its success on better products for better people. Pretty much like a trend is at first adopted by sensitive, knowledgable, smart people but then it gets adopted by less sensitive, knowledgable, smart people, and less and less...until it becomes mainstream.
That's what's happening: Apple has always been expensive but for good reasons, their products were qualitative in terms of software (more stable and few bugs, snow leopard being the best) and hardware (durable material, I had a Powerbook and old Macbook pro for 6 years) and innovative (they brought tons of new and RELEVANT features for the user experience with each update, and made the design evolve with almost each iteration).
But that was all Steve Jobs, and you must be damn stupid and naive to think it will be the same now. In fact just look at the period when SJ was fired from Apple by stockholders. Well now he is defunct. And the fact that the stockholder didn't choose Jon Ive (design engineer) or Scott Forstall (software engineer) but Tim Cook (stock/distribution manager) should say it all: Apple doesn't do qualititative or innovative products anymore and they don't need to.
Today, Apple has reach the mainstream market and has developed the best PR strategy. Typically the most recent users are dumb, ignorant and influencable to the point where you can make them accept to be screwed by rationnalizing things that would be otherwise indefendable. The market strategy for Apple, in order to counter attack Android or Microsoft strategies who are first on their respective market, is not innovation anymore but mass selling on new markets like China or Brasil. Sell more and innovate less to cut cost.
So if the next iteration of Macbook Pro only had Ivy Bridge (which all laptop now have), Intel HD 4000 but no real graphic card, 2 USB 3.0 (which all computer now have), no SSD, no new design (4 years after this one was released), no retina display, and more over because that's what we forget, no innovation/new thing that other laptops don't have...it doesn't surprise me.
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I applaud and take my hat to you sir. You are absolutely right, they dont need to innovate anymore, because people would just buy it no matter what.
I m not an apple fanboy i only got the pro because i like the OS ( snow leopard ) and the flexibility of it. I ll be selling my pro before it becomes obsolete and i ll look for new horizons.
I agree to a certain degree. However I do not believe a company like Apple can rest on its past success all too long... Innovation is still needed, and again past due, in my opinion!
Steve Jobs over-rated?
Is it just me or do some others also feel Jobs was over-rated? He was good but was he that much better than other styles of innovation such as that being displayed quite successfully by Samsung, et. al.? Jobs' moto was that it is not the consumer's job to know what they want. Samsung's moto is to throw out a whole bunch of different screen sizes, features (stylus vs. no stylus, etc.) and let the consumer decide what (s)he wants. Look where Samsung is now in smartphones ... they just surpassed Nokia to become the top smartphone vendor in the world. Jobs stated that if you see a consumer use a stylus on a smartphone or tablet then you've failed. Yet Samsung sold over 10 million of these. It was the other BOD members that convinced Jobs to port iTunes to PC users in the first place. If Jobs had his way, Apple's earnings would probably be a small fraction of what they are now.
I for one am GLAD Tim Cook is now the CEO. His open and approachable nature is a PLUS. Not a draw back. IMO Apple is now more likely to surpass anything they have done before in turns of market share over the next few years. The Samsung approach, ex. putting out a smaller screen pad against Jobs' advice IS the way to go. The consumer knows what (s)he wants depending on their own particular needs better than anyone else. THEY should be the ones deciding whether this should be a success or not.
Is it just me or do some others also feel Jobs was over-rated? He was good but was he that much better than other styles of innovation such as that being displayed quite successfully by Samsung, et. al.? Jobs' moto was that it is not the consumer's job to know what they want. Samsung's moto is to throw out a whole bunch of different screen sizes, features (stylus vs. no stylus, etc.) and let the consumer decide what (s)he wants. Look where Samsung is now in smartphones ... they just surpassed Nokia to become the top smartphone vendor in the world. Jobs stated that if you see a consumer use a stylus on a smartphone or tablet then you've failed. Yet Samsung sold over 10 million of these. It was the other BOD members that convinced Jobs to port iTunes to PC users in the first place. If Jobs had his way, Apple's earnings would probably be a small fraction of what they are now.
I for one am GLAD Tim Cook is now the CEO. His open and approachable nature is a PLUS. Not a draw back. IMO Apple is now more likely to surpass anything they have done before in turns of market share over the next few years. The Samsung approach, ex. putting out a smaller screen pad against Jobs' advice IS the way to go. The consumer knows what (s)he wants depending on their own particular needs better than anyone else. THEY should be the ones deciding whether this should be a success or not.
IMHO, it wouldn't be very apple to have a lower-end MBP with no retina while promoting retina on the higher-end MBP (15 and/or 17 if it doesn't get dropped). It wouldn't be very logical from a marketing perspective ("Retina display - available on selected model"... just doesn't make sense) and development perspective either (when creating apps, do mac developers go with the lowest or highest spec?)
So, if this leak is true, I think we won't be seeing retina on any version of MBP
Also, from a technical perspective, retina doesn't make much sense either because the GPU, either discrete or integrated wouldn't be able to push anywhere near 60fps at such resolution (2560x1600) in modern 3D engines, let alone for users running dual display solutions.
I'd much rather to have a smooth user experience rather pushing it to the limit and having to suffer in some aspects.
So, if this leak is true, I think we won't be seeing retina on any version of MBP
Also, from a technical perspective, retina doesn't make much sense either because the GPU, either discrete or integrated wouldn't be able to push anywhere near 60fps at such resolution (2560x1600) in modern 3D engines, let alone for users running dual display solutions.
I'd much rather to have a smooth user experience rather pushing it to the limit and having to suffer in some aspects.
Every single rumor so far points to idea of an Macbook Air getting the redesign. No Ethernet, No ODD, slim case, retina display. Doesn't that sound familiar? IMO The only line which is getting the redesign is the Air. With the 15 inch model of that line being shown on WWDC.
Apple, and every other technology company DOES NOT have any technology to put a 85W hardware into slim case. 45W TDP Processor, plus 45W(Nvidia GT650M) GPU, plus another 4.1W TDP chipset. What can cool it? Macbook Air cooling system have problems with cooling 22W of TDP and what about 4 times of it? From my point of view - no redesign for Macbook Pro, BUT, there is for Macbook Air, and from that point, every rumor about thinner Macbook Pro is legit.
This page looks authentic!!!
Seriously people this page looks authentic in the features listed. Sad news for new MacBook aspirants... Can't help but Apple never promised..did they??
Seriously people this page looks authentic in the features listed. Sad news for new MacBook aspirants... Can't help but Apple never promised..did they??
The New York Times has reported that Apple's profit margins exceed 40%. HP and Dell are lucky to get a 5% margin. So HP needs to sell about eight Envy 15" laptops for $1,000+ to make as much money as Apple does by selling one of these 13" models.
I showroomed a 7" Galaxy Tab vs iPad less than two weeks ago at Worst Buy. The most expensive laptop I saw there was a Samsung Series 5 for $799. An HP Pavillion I looked at had a screen that was perfectly unusable. Washed out at any angle. The touchpad had a braille finish for the blind and I could not scroll anything on it.
Now, if all you can look at is pure junk from other manufactures and you aren't satisfied with this junk what can you do? You can buy blind on the Web or you could track down a Worst Buy store that carries Apple (this one did not) or find an Apple store. After perusing that junk that Worst Buy stocks, this egregiously overpriced product from Apple seems like it's worth every penny they charge.
I've never seen a Series 9, a Zenbook or the real Envy models from HP. There is no place within 50 miles of me that stocks them. Nothing but junk.
And I don't live in the sticks. I'm firmly in the wired world posting now from a FIOS connection.
+1
$1,200 for this and the new 15" model starts at $1.999-
An early Christmas gift from Apple.
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For anyone looking for 13´alternatives look to further :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4oOoB3Rj3GI
The Ultrabook Asus Zenbook Prime UX31A comes backed with a full hd screen ,newest cpu and 128 ssd
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4oOoB3Rj3GI
The Ultrabook Asus Zenbook Prime UX31A comes backed with a full hd screen ,newest cpu and 128 ssd
I got mine a month and a half ago in late April... Says my computer is 11 weeks old.
For anyone looking for 13´alternatives look to further :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4oOoB3Rj3GI
The Ultrabook Asus Zenbook Prime UX31A comes backed with a full hd screen ,newest cpu and 128 ssd
Ok, alternative, but why waste money on a Windows machine when you can run it using bootcamp or vmware?....
I don't really care what comes out at WWDC to be honest. I won't be buying any new machines for a few years yet anyway.. I'm just curious to find out what Apple are offering.
I have 2 MBP's and a mini (server). They serve the purpose/s I bought them for, so for those who appear to have more money than common sense... fill your boots... Steve Jobs is quite a character (reading biography atm) but for what he has done for the computer market is next to miraculous as he didn't have the 'silver' spoon of Mr Gates to help him along.......
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One of the main reassons for which i bought my pro was because i didnt want to put up with Windows as well, but its really easy to install the OSX on a intel based laptopThe point is?... if i wanted a windows laptop I'd just dig out the old brick of a sell 17" laptop which my wife decided to buy for herself and never uses (and yes it has W7 on it..)
I don't really care what comes out at WWDC to be honest. I won't be buying any new machines for a few years yet anyway.. I'm just curious to find out what Apple are offering.
I have 2 MBP's and a mini (server). They serve the purpose/s I bought them for, so for those who appear to have more money than common sense... fill your boots... Steve Jobs is quite a character (reading biography atm) but for what he has done for the computer market is next to miraculous as he didn't have the 'silver' spoon of Mr Gates to help him along.......
Besides i always wanted to experiment with linux too
I m not a blinded fanboy i ll only get what its better for me
You have a lot of that right, but you are giving Apple too much credit as far as achieving the mainstream market on the machines (iToys on the other hand, they hit it and then some). Apple still has a huge opportunity in the desktop/laptop market - both consumer and commercial. They may not see as high of profit margins on machines but their iToys are getting people to look at their machines. And people that buy their machines are more likely to buy their iToys.
Apple has an opportunity to sell more products and gain more brand loyalty accross the board but they need to make the machines a more compelling purchase because machines are in a much higher price range than iToys and are still considered a "premium" product.
To get more mainstream with their machines, Apple needs to offer machines that are not only quality and nice looking, but have noticeable value compared to the PC competitiors. PC makers like Asus have stepped it up recently so Apple will ned to do so too. It will be interesting to see what happens next Monday.
One of the main reassons for which i bought my pro was because i didnt want to put up with Windows as well, but its really easy to install the OSX on a intel based laptop
Besides i always wanted to experiment with linux too
I m not a blinded fanboy i ll only get what its better for me
Then why are you on MacRumors?
ALL non CTO macs ship with 4GB RAM, even the highest machine.
i do not forsee apple jumping to 16GB stock for every machine.
Actually this makes perfect sense.
If the Macbook Pro 15 is going the way of the Air, the Ram is likely soldered on the MoBo, like the Air. So it makes perfect sense. And likely true. Since you will not be able to upgrade the Ram. This might be the high spec 15. The entry level 15 may only have 8GB of Ram, again not user replaceable.
The 13 inch is like I said earlier, going away. Being replaced by the 13 Air. Steve said the Air form factor is the future, and they are headed that way. Problem now is that the 13 Air cannot like I said earlier match the power of the 13 MBP, yet. Hence, the old form factor 13 Mbp. Apple cannot yet provide the 13 form factor of the Air with the power of the 13 MBP. Once they can the Air will take the place of the MBP. That has not happened yet.
These leaks are spot on and what you will see next week in my opinion.
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Same as most of us I'd imagine, curiosity. [edit: typo]
I wasn't aware you *needed* to own an Apple device to use the forum, that said I've a few devices so if anyone outside wants to come in I'll give you my serial number!