New MacBook Pro and 13-Inch 'MacBook' Coming Next Week, iMac and Display Not Ready Yet

[Count Blah]

I don't think it's pointless, its just like having a thin TV screen, looks beautiful when you catch it from the sides.
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This is the reason many are upset with Apple. Looking good is nice in a computer, but you know what is MORE important about a computer? Being the best computer it can be. With glued in components, and LOOOOOOOOOOONG times between "updates"(quotes because of the non-pro inspired Mac Pro and customer hostile Mac Mini), Apple seems to only care about customers like you.

If you feel,like taking a selfie with your Mac, then Apple wants you. If you care about taking a computer to the next level, then Apple couldn't care less about you.

I'm happy for you, you seem to have found a home. I feel sorry for the rest of us, that Apple has left behind.

 

[Tycho24]

What is the fascination about the Mini?

Hundreds & hundreds cheaper than the next cheapest Mac, but equally capable?
I mean that's a fascinating concept to me.

 

[sofila]

Apple needs backlit keyboards for desktops.

This is such a comfortable feature whose absence it's really unjustifiable from a company always declaring the user experience as a top priority.

Apple needs to run all operations as if they are the most important aspect of the company.

I feel Apple missing to treat all of its products with the same focus and effort. Obviously sales rule the compass, but it's not that our dollars spent for (example) on a Mac Mini are of a cheaper value in front of the dollars spent for an Apple Watch.
Though the fact that I live a couple of continents away from Cupertino may not help in knowing what's going on in their minds

 

[OllyW]

10 years ago Intels CPU release cycles were totally different, and we were on PPC, so that's comparing apples to oranges.

Apple started the transition to Intel in January 2006 all Macs had moved over by late summer.

 

[needfx]

1. I went through the entire thread. Illuminating on so many levels.

2. I am on the 'love the rMB keyboard' camp. Cannot believe the hate it receives. I type a lot and my precision has peaked even more coming from a MBA11".

 

[palmerc]

5 years since Thunderbolt display received an update, and it's still not ready. What is happening to this company.

There hasn't been a compelling external monitor story to tell for quite some time. There is no content for a 5k display and driving one from a laptop is not easily done without either multiple cables, or putting graphics cards in the monitor. In any case a battery hog with very little benefit beyond saying, "mine is 5k."

The external monitor concept has been on its last legs for some time. External monitors are mostly for low-res Windows or Linux setups where they don't have the ability to dynamically adjust the screen resolution like macOS. I'm sure someone has what they consider a high-end Windows or Linux 'rig' but for the most part these dual external monitor setups are two crappy monitors attached to an equally crappy laptop and the Mac users are standalone because to connect it to anything else would be a step down and they've already got a great keyboard and trackpad built-in.

So for Apple to be interested in shipping something that will sell considerably less than a million units they'll want to feel pretty confident they're doing something super useful and technologically important.

 

[Devie]

The external monitor concept has been on its last legs for some time. External monitors are mostly for low-res Windows or Linux setups where they don't have the ability to dynamically adjust the screen resolution like macOS. I'm sure someone has what they consider a high-end Windows or Linux 'rig' but for the most part these dual external monitor setups are two crappy monitors attached to an equally crappy laptop and the Mac users are standalone because to connect it to anything else would be a step down and they've already got a great keyboard and trackpad built-in.

External monitors are a must for a laptop. When i go to the office I dock my laptop and straight onto a 1440p 27" monitor. Much better. You're fooling yourself thinking its on the way out.

 

[deany]

Now what the heck is a butterfly keyboard? Pardon my ignorance.

Hi
In our 2015 rMBPs (I've got the 13") the keyboard is different to the MacBook.

The 'butterfly keyboard' that is on the MacBook is explained early in this video-

 

[Glideslope]

First week or last week?

Ask Intel.

 

[palmerc]

External monitors are a must for a laptop. When i go to the office I dock my laptop and straight onto a 1440p 27" monitor. Much better. You're fooling yourself thinking its on the way out.

Ewww. So you've lost screen resolution for a bigger piece of glass... then what? An awkward keyboard and 'mouse' arrangement? No. Seriously, why even buy a mac if you just smear vasoline on the screen when you get it and attach some garbage scroll-wheel mouse. You should save your money and buy a Dell.

When you buy a mac, or any product that was designed, you're committing to the vision of that product. If the product can't be used as-is, you should seriously consider whether you've chosen a product that is right for you. Maybe in this case you're a closet iMac person. Great machine, has the monitor you want.

 

[Stella]

Last few companies I've worked at, everyone has been using an external monitor with their Macbook Pros. 2 or 3 displays is better than one...

There hasn't been a compelling external monitor story to tell for quite some time. There is no content for a 5k display and driving one from a laptop is not easily done without either multiple cables, or putting graphics cards in the monitor. In any case a battery hog with very little benefit beyond saying, "mine is 5k."

The external monitor concept has been on its last legs for some time. External monitors are mostly for low-res Windows or Linux setups where they don't have the ability to dynamically adjust the screen resolution like macOS. I'm sure someone has what they consider a high-end Windows or Linux 'rig' but for the most part these dual external monitor setups are two crappy monitors attached to an equally crappy laptop and the Mac users are standalone because to connect it to anything else would be a step down and they've already got a great keyboard and trackpad built-in.

So for Apple to be interested in shipping something that will sell considerably less than a million units they'll want to feel pretty confident they're doing something super useful and technologically important.

 

[inhalexhale1]

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I see how my wording could be confusing. I don't mean "their" as in the mac team, I mean "their" as in Apple. They are at the very least, distracted, no arguing that fact.

Yea no arguments there.

 

[SBlue1]

Ewww. So you've lost screen resolution for a bigger piece of glass... then what? An awkward keyboard and 'mouse' arrangement? No. Seriously, why even buy a mac if you just smear vasoline on the screen when you get it and attach some garbage scroll-wheel mouse. You should save your money and buy a Dell.

What are you talking about?? The magic mouse is great! And why limit yourself with a portable screen size when you are in your office?

 

[needfx]

Ewww. So you've lost screen resolution for a bigger piece of glass... then what? An awkward keyboard and 'mouse' arrangement? No. Seriously, why even buy a mac if you just smear vasoline on the screen when you get it and attach some garbage scroll-wheel mouse. You should save your money and buy a Dell.

When you buy a mac, or any product that was designed, you're committing to the vision of that product. If the product can't be used as-is, you should seriously consider whether you've chosen a product that is right for you. Maybe in this case you're a closet desktop person.

you can have one single machine to serve both your "at home/work needs" by adding a more comfortable desktop sized screen & the "on the go needs" facilitated by the one provided with the laptop.

 

[Brian Clifford]

Doesn't Apple still sell DVD Studio Pro for download? -

https://support.apple.com/kb/DL697?viewlocale=en_US&locale=en_US

Wouldn't that accomplish what you are trying to do with your menus...or am I misunderstanding?

Thanks very much for the your reply and link jhudgins. Yes, you understood my point. I guess what I should have said is it would be nice if such an option as I described came as a standard feature in iMovie or FCPX for an expensive Laptop like the MacBook Pro. Nonetheless, I will read more about the product you linked. Thanks again.

 

[Hanzu Lao]

What are you talking about?? The magic mouse is great! And why limit yourself with a portable screen size when you are in your office?

Best mouse in my opinion.

 

[SBlue1]

I don't think it's pointless, its just like having a thin TV screen, looks beautiful when you catch it from the sides.

The TV is just a screen you watch your content. A computer is a device where the inside is more important then the looks. Apple devices used to be both, great looks and best possible internals. Remember the first iMac, the first iBook or the first iPod? They looked great but they were also great from inside. Nowadays Apple sacrifices the spect just to look good. Why the hell is the SSD and RAM soldered in a desktop computer?!

 

[Cougarcat]

Ewww. So you've lost screen resolution for a bigger piece of glass... then what? An awkward keyboard and 'mouse' arrangement? No. Seriously, why even buy a mac if you just smear vasoline on the screen when you get it and attach some garbage scroll-wheel mouse. You should save your money and buy a Dell.

When you buy a mac, or any product that was designed, you're committing to the vision of that product. If the product can't be used as-is, you should seriously consider whether you've chosen a product that is right for you. Maybe in this case you're a closet iMac person. Great machine, has the monitor you want.

I can't tell if you're being serious or not...

It may not be for you, there's an advantage to having one machine that's mobile when you need it but can also be docked to a keyboard and mouse. I plan on doing this with the new MBP. Thanks to Thunderbolt 3, you can use one cable for everything including power.

I agree with you about the monitor, though. I'll be hooking mine up to a 4K.

 

[Snappers]

Doesn't Apple still sell DVD Studio Pro for download? -

https://support.apple.com/kb/DL697?viewlocale=en_US&locale=en_US

Wouldn't that accomplish what you are trying to do with your menus...or am I misunderstanding?

This is way off topic, sorry to all, but I felt compelled to reply to this. Apple no longer sells DVD Studio Pro 4. What you link there is an update to DVD Studio Pro 4, not the actual application. You would need to acquire a copy of Final Cut Studio 2 (Ebay, torrent), which is obsolete and superseded with FCPx, in order to install DVD Studio Pro 4, then you could download and install the update in that link you posted. So, Apple really doesn't do professional DVD menus since the advent of FCPx.

 

[palmerc]

I can't tell if you're being serious or not...

It may not be for you, there's an advantage to having one machine that's mobile when you need it but can also be docked to a keyboard and mouse. I plan on doing this with the new MBP. Thanks to Thunderbolt 3, you can use one cable for everything including power.

I agree with you about the monitor, though. I'll be hooking mine up to a 4K.

He specifically stated a 27" 1440p monitor. All he got was bigger and fewer pixels. Although, the cheap-o scroll wheel mouse thing always kills me, WHY?! At least have the common courtesy to get a magic trackpad.

I might have been a tiny bit facetious.

 

[TrueBlou]

I've read that the risks would be high to develop your own desktop class chips for such a low volume per year (19 million macs)
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And what would I buy my kids if Apple didn't lower the price of the iPad to compensate for the loss of the lower price tablet?

The risk should be relatively low for them as the chips would be an evolution of the A series chips that Apple develop every year anyway.

Like I say, the A10 is already a stunning piece of work and incredibly powerful. Simply doubling or tripling the cores and boosting the clock would result in a mind bogglingly powerful laptop class chip, with little extra work over and above that which they are doing anyway.

I actually think it's one of the reasons we're getting A series chips in our iPhones that can actually compare favourably with some Intel chips. Sure Apple want to push the iPhone on but I think they are testing their muscle, to push toward making their own silicone for their Mac line. Now that they have mastered it and are getting the performance and power efficiency they want, they are even closer to that goal.

Buy hey, just a theory from a broken mind, I've lost count of how long I've been awake now

 

[palmerc]

you can have one single machine to serve both your "at home/work needs" by adding a more comfortable desktop sized screen & the "on the go needs" facilitated by the one provided with the laptop.

That's exactly how I roll. 15" rMBP. I'm a heavy user of macOS's Accessibility zoom feature because I feel it provides the right degree of coding focus. Imagine the code pane of Xcode zoomed such that nothing else is on screen. Want to check notifications/mail/Slack, zoom-out. I think many people would benefit from the ^-2-finger scroll zoom feature.

 

[arefbe]

Why would it be a mistake? You've had 15 months of usage out of it before a new upgrade comes out, can't argue with that!

I bought it last June. 3-4 months, actually. What I meant was that from the indications of the new MacBooks, they won't be such a huge update that waiting for the new ones would have been a waste of time. Don't need or like the new keyboards. Don't need or like losing MagSafe or all the ports.

 

[Cougarcat]

. Although, the cheap-o scroll wheel mouse thing always kills me, WHY?! At least have the common courtesy to get a magic trackpad.

I might have been a tiny bit facetious.

There's nothing wrong with a standard mouse. Trackpads aren't for everyone.

 

[TrueBlou]

Perhaps that's the most wise choice. Instead of our expectations, let's look at their actions. And you're right, Apple made it totally clear.

And to be honest, I'm not sure if I disagree with them. The PC industry has been in a rough spot, in multiple ways. First, there's Intel who had so much problems with Skylake, that they changed their complete product release cycle. Then there's the slump in the graphics industry where both nVidia and AMD have a lot of trouble with their architectures on shrinking dies. And that's in an industry that's actually shrinking every year!

I bet 90% of the posters in this topic aren't really restrained (professionally or at home) by the current Macs. They just love new technology.

That's probably close to the truth to be fair. I mentioned earlier that my 2012 iMac still does everything that I throw at it. I did max out the memory and switch to an SSD, which really sped things up on it.

I'm considering an upgrade if they make significant change to the next iMac and make it a lot more powerful and if it's more purdy I won't complain. But honestly, I don't really "need" to. Nothing on my current setup is so slow that it's intolerable, even processing video isn't that bad.

Assuming it doesn't break my current setup could probably last at least a couple more years quite easily. But like you say, the desire factor plays a big part, it'll depend on how much they can make me go, "oooohhhhhh I want that"