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New MacBook Pro and 13-Inch 'MacBook' Coming Next Week, iMac and Display Not Ready Yet

Cougarcat said:
I find the chin uglier than the thickness it was around the first aluminum design. Plus, thinness is pointless on a desktop.
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I don't think it's pointless, its just like having a thin TV screen, looks beautiful when you catch it from the sides.
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-BigMac- said:
current box? what do you mean
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The box the iMac's ship in. They updated the box to show the Sierra wallpaper on the iMac screen rather than the El Capitan screen. Even a company as rich as Apple aren't going to update iMac boxes with a new print design just for two weeks of shipping orders.
 
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MyopicPaideia said:
Agree with you on most of this, but the significant thing about Kaby Lake for the MBr is that it has the TB3 controller built in to the CPU, making TB3 feasible for that machine. That would be a pretty big upgrade for that single port.
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That's not really that significant when the TB3 controller is available the way Apple have been implementing Thunderbolt 2 and the way it'll be implemented on the MacBook Pro's next week. In the long term having an integrated chip will cut down costs for manufacturers but it won't make any difference to us the end user.

There is a TB3 two bus chip exactly the same as the TB2 one used by Apple on the 15" rMBP now, and that's what will be going into the new machines next week.
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dwnss said:
and give us a new stand, perhaps chrome?
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tubeexperience said:
Did you forget when Tim Cook asked, "Why would you want a PC anymore?"

After all, Tim Cook thinks you just need an iPad.

Did you also forget that Apple released a commercial saying that the iPad "Pro" is a PC?
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Yeah but you're forgetting that they have campaigns and themes for the introduction of each product, and that has never been more true since Tim Cook took over and employed more people. It's also why a lot of the ads aren't effective or memorable anymore.

If you look on their YouTube account, then that iPad Pro ad is the most hated video there (in terms of the like to dislike ratio) - nothing else comes close. I think the ad was good, as they finally showed off the multitasking capabilities as well as the keyboard and pencil. But the message and style was bad.

The iPad can replace a lot of people's PCs. But the truth is most people who that is applicable to, have already done that or have an iPad as their primary computer. Because, to the majority of those that it is applicable to, the iPad has always been able to replace their primary computer. So I partially agree with what he says, as it's true for some people (obviously not people who are on this forum, including myself).

The difference is that this time, they are specifically positioning it to be a PC replacement, likely because it has a keyboard and the multitasking capabilities so it's more capable. But they didn't say it could replace all PCs - When Phil Schiller went on stage he didn't say it could replace all PCs, which is why he had to clarify that they're "not saying to throw out your DSLRs" just because the iPhone 7 Plus can create 'DSLR quality' pictures.
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thekeyring said:
I disagree. Apple have said for years they believe iPad to be the future of personal computing. Look at the updates with iPad - much faster, thinner, Apple Pencil, improved multitasking, truetone display, etc. All that happened during falling iPad sales and growing Mac sales.

If Tim Cook focused only on figures, iPhone would still come first, but wouldn't Macs get more love, and iPad neglected?

It's difficult to disprove your theory. If Apple focuses on a product which sells a lot, they're chasing numbers. If they focus on a product which isn't selling as well, they're trying to improve sales figures, and still chasing numbers. It's no win!


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Logic such as yours has no place in this forum! ;)
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I never said anything about their vision, but that's completely true. The reason they focus on the iPad is because they see it as what most non tech-savvy people will use as their primary computer.

After Tim Cook took over, the Mac has had longer upgrade cycles (e.g. The Mac Pro and Mac mini) so I think he has less passion for the Mac compared to Steve Jobs. I think they are doing a lot less of trying to improve figures on low selling products, except for the ones they have a vision for.
 
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I wonder if we will be seeing new software at the event as well. Final Cut Pro is in dire need of an update, Apple seems to have all but given up on iWork's, and more pro software for the iPad would be nice.
 
I'm not in the market until next year at the earliest or maybe even 2018.

I'll probably just replace the batteries in my 2012 MBA and 2015 RMBP and continue to use them until I give them to my kids.
 
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The box the iMac's ship in. They updated the box to show the Sierra wallpaper on the iMac screen rather than the El Capitan screen. Even a company as rich as Apple aren't going to update iMac boxes with a new print design just for two weeks of shipping orders.
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It is extremely difficult to see what you are getting at here? What do you mean exactly? Say it sans vodka pleaseo_O

No new iMacs I can believe, it's not like the current ones are slow, poor resolution and impossible to get work done on.. Print and publishing marvels still.
But personally I would have loved to see the introduction of more powerful GPU with less heat and watts to go perfect in the 27" iMac. Oh well.
 
Vjosullivan said:
I think that pretty attitude pretty much sums up why MacBook's market share is steadily declining.
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And it's profit share is steadily climbing, while the overall PC market only creates losers. I'm the second most stingy person after Scrooge McDuck and I wouldn't even consider buying a Mac, if they weren't far superior to anything else. The Mac is only competing with other Macs, mostly the Macs I already own.
 
meduzarija said:
It is really sad how smartphone, tablet and watch threw computers into the shadows.
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Not if the tablets and phones are faster than the "computers". The 12.9" iPad Pro is the CPU equivalent of a 2013 MB Pro and the GPU equivalent of a 2015 MB Pro. The only real limitation is from software makers. Legacy developers of desktop OS products tend to view tablets/phones as accessories to their legacy software despite their processing power, while non-legacy developers tend to try and push the envelope more. Strategically, I think that's one of the reasons Apple likes having iOS and MacOS. It opens up the software development market to people other than legacy desktop developers.
 
Apple spoils Christmas...

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ThatGuyInLa said:
And it's silly that people still complain about the update cycle for OSX (macOS) products when Apple has long made it clear, via sales figures and releases, it's LOW PRIORITY. The new norm, for some time, is we get refreshed desktop products every 2-5 years.
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Perhaps that's the most wise choice. Instead of our expectations, let's look at their actions. And you're right, Apple made it totally clear.

And to be honest, I'm not sure if I disagree with them. The PC industry has been in a rough spot, in multiple ways. First, there's Intel who had so much problems with Skylake, that they changed their complete product release cycle. Then there's the slump in the graphics industry where both nVidia and AMD have a lot of trouble with their architectures on shrinking dies. And that's in an industry that's actually shrinking every year!

I bet 90% of the posters in this topic aren't really restrained (professionally or at home) by the current Macs. They just love new technology.
 
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Loving my 2.5 months old 2015 15" MBP, in daily work use, and my 2012 non-rMBP, semi-retired to home use. Glad I didn't wait for what sounds like a gimmicky lesser update. The screen on the 15" is amazing and this laptop is blazing fast, coming from my 2012.

Now what the heck is a butterfly keyboard? Pardon my ignorance.
 
Azadre said:
Someone please tell me why Apple going with Skylake is better than jumping directly to Kaby Lake. I assume they will use a more powerful version than what's out for the Kaby Lake CPUs at the moment.
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From my understanding, Kaby Lake is just barely an upgrade from Sky Lake. Anyone have any insight on this?
 
dwnss said:
iMac needs a new body! 10 years is a way too long (I'm including the bezel body), what happened to futuristic products?
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Design of Power Mac G5 - Mac Pro lasted from 2003 to 2013 when they completely redisigned -that computer now its been forgotten from almost 3 years-
 
I've been waiting for a significant MBP redesign for YEARS - I'm still rocking a mid-2009 MPB! Retina, Force Touch trackpad and processor refreshes have all been considerable upgrades, but I could never get myself to pull the trigger on a $1300+ laptop that looks virtually identical to my existing one. I hope there are more color options than just the classic silver. I know many are hoping for a matte black MBP - and it's very likely - but when I picture it all I see are fingerprint oils and scratches. :/ Space Gray please!
 
Here are some very concise thoughts in my very first post as a "brand new newbie" planning to buy my first Apple laptop in the form of the top-spec 15" Retina MacBook Pro with FCPX and Logic Pro. :)

I'm choosing Apple because I'm persuaded by their reputation for reliability, design, and security. :apple:

Like many Apple product purchasers will think, I consider myself to be making a very costly purchase, (especially given my choice of laptop). :oops: Perhaps somewhat extravagantly, I am considering further Apple purchases in the form of the lovely looking iPhone 8 and Apple Watch in the next twelve to eighteen months pending how they develop?

But, "the straw that breaks the Camel's Back" for me metaphorically speaking is the lack of any decent DVD Menu Customization within the apps of a machine as lovely as the MacBook Pro. :( Honestly, with the wonderful options that exist in apps such as FCPX, DVD Menu Customization as it currently exists is more basic than Windows Live Movie Maker, imho!! :eek: Yes, I can assure readers I'm well aware of Apple's position on DVDs and well-versed with readers opinions of all kinds from Mac Rumors, but for me this absent detail is very disappointing as different details will be for others.

Will I go ahead and buy the MacBook Pro? Probably! But, I think I will try and "nurse along" my current 5 year old Windows 7 with Intel Core i3 laptop, (which is loosing functions by the week), until the release of AFPS replacing HFS+ in the very exciting new mac OS Sierra. Also, by that stage, any little 1st, Edition "teething problems" that may exist with mac OS Sierra will have been corrected, hopefully. ;) Admittedly, I will be an "early adopter" of AFPS, but will be hoping for the best.

Would any readers more experienced than me like to offer estimates on when we might see AFPS? Q2, Q3, Q4 2017?
 
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Brian Clifford said:
Here are some very concise thoughts in my very first post as a "brand new newbie" planning to buy my very first Apple laptop in the form of the top-spec 15" Retina MacBook Pro with FCPX and Logic Pro. :)

I'm choosing Apple because I'm persuaded by their reputation for reliability, design, and security. :apple:

Like many Apple product purchasers will think, I consider myself to be making a very costly purchase, (especially given my choice of laptop). :oops: Perhaps somewhat extravagantly, I am considering further Apple purchases in the form of the lovely looking iPhone 8 and Apple Watch in the next twelve to eighteen months pending how they develop?

But, "the straw that breaks the Camel's Back" for me metaphorically speaking is the lack of any decent DVD Menu Customization within the apps in a machine as lovely as the MacBook Pro. :( Honestly, with the wonderful options that exist in apps such as FCPX, DVD Menu Customization as it currently exists is more basic than Windows Live Movie Maker, imho!! :eek: Yes, I can assure readers I'm well aware of Apple's position on DVDs and well-versed with readers opinions of all kinds from Mac Rumors, but for me this absent detail is very disappointing as different details will be for others.

Will I go ahead and buy the MacBook Pro? Probably! But, I think I will try and "nurse along" my current 5 year old Windows 7 with Intel Core i3 laptop, (which is loosing functions by the week), until the release of AFPS replacing HFS+ in the very exciting new OS mac Sierra. Also, by that stage, any little 1st, Edition "teething problems" that may exist will have been corrected, hopefully. ;)
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Doesn't Apple still sell DVD Studio Pro for download? -

https://support.apple.com/kb/DL697?viewlocale=en_US&locale=en_US

Wouldn't that accomplish what you are trying to do with your menus...or am I misunderstanding?
 
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