New MacBook Pro Has Already Outsold All Competing Laptops This Year

[Sedulous]

I'm sure it has been mentioned but these are not official numbers. They are a slice of data taken from subscribers to their service. It may not represent actual results.

 

[Mr Staunton]

No units available to see in my local Apple Store, they are not sure when they will arrive in store because Apple don't even let their staff know.

 

[1applerules1]

They don't care about experience either
Removal of ports, removal of pro software, inflated prices, 1/10 repair ability and eye watering repair prices

I can't remember the last time I used a lightning port. HDMI, or ad card. I do everything wirelessly. That's the idea if you think cables are better than wireless that's your problem. Plus you can get Apple care. And if you want to customize your computer why are you looking at a mac in the first place?
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That's a tired mantra that hasn't been true in five years or more.

If it's not true then why are they becoming more successful YOY?

 

[cmaier]

I can't remember the last time I used a lightning port.

Pretty sure you use a lightning port (Since you only find them on iDevices, and you need to plug in to charge)

 

[subjonas]

Care to show me another PC OEM that does better? Acer? Asus? HP? Lenovo? Dell? Heck, Microsoft?

Show me a laptop OEM that gives me worldwide warranty as standard, where I can go to any of its retail establishment and service center around the world and get support.

Apple is not perfect, but before claiming Apple to be greedy etc, show me other companies that do better.

Do better at what? I'm thoroughly confused. Are you sure you're responding to my post? I never said apple was greedy. At least not greedier or less greedy than any other company. If you look at the context of the conversation, I was actually trying to defend apple.

 

[anek007]

Man these holiday scalpers sure do have big pockets. when the iPhone 7 was out craigslist and ebay was flooded with high price iPhones. This is no different.

 

[GoodWheaties]

I got to play with one yesterday. The touch bar is pretty neat. Those who dismiss it should really look into it. I played with iMovie and using the bar to scrub and the tools is inventive.

Don't knock this one quite yet. Plus I added every filter I could on a HD movie clip (multi gigabyte file) and it never studdered and rolled along without a hitch. The 15" model is pretty powerful with 16gb of ram but base level processor. Very impressive.

Hmmm scrubbing in iMovie could be pretty nice. I'm sure Final Cut will take advantage of it as well. The interesting thing with the 15" is comparing dedicated graphics models between 2015 and 2016 is now the 15" starts $100 LESS than last years model with probably a more powerful card. Granted last year also had an integrated only option but I'm curious what benchmarks will show.

 

[Ethosik]

In 2012, the retina was still a new thing for laptops. The price was more justified. Apples perceived value was also still at zenith. It isn't anymore. Its still high, but not as high as it used to be. And of course, the new gen machine would have faster/better, but does the Touchbar and incremental port upgrades really earn the price bump? That is up to the consumer to decide. I decide it doesn't. Others will disagree. That's fine.

3GB/s SSD is not new? TB3 is not new? USB-C is not new? 2x trackpad is not new? Touch bar is not new? THESE all add up to the price increase.

 

[roksraka]

Sure. They said the same thing about Jobs. They said the same thing about the MBP redesign in 2012.

If all apple cared about was profit, they'd instead have created the MBP with every port imaginable, with a touch screen, etc. so no potential buyer would have a reason to not purchase. It's exactly because Cook cares about the future that they are taking the risk of dropping legacy ports and certain functionality and inserting ports with connectors for the next ten years instead.

Yet at the same time he effectively discontinued many professional and desktop products, because they aren't as profitable as the Starbucks laptop market. What will developers and pros use in a few years? That doesn't seem very forward-looking to me...
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Really? The new Macbooks look very much forward looking.

Apart from using Thunderbolt 3/USB-C, is there anything forward looking on the new Macbooks? It's not very forward looking when you drop almost all Pro products from your line-up because they aren't profitable enough, and try to compensate by raising the prices of the last "serious" machine they make.

 

[dilbert99]

I can't remember the last time I used a lightning port. HDMI, or ad card. I do everything wirelessly. That's the idea if you think cables are better than wireless that's your problem. Plus you can get Apple care. And if you want to customize your computer why are you looking at a mac in the first place?
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If it's not true then why are they becoming more successful YOY?

So because I don't use a product the same way as you then there is something wrong with me?

Please explain how I wirelessly plug an SD card or thumb drive and leave it in there permanently to extend the storage?

Please explain how I wirelessly connect to an Ethernet port for the cases where I cannot use wifi?

I had Apple care but you do realize Apple design for planned obsolescence. They do not give repairers the info required, nor the parts required to fix things. So something that could be repaired for < $100 requires replacing the device or a $750 pcb replacement.

Customize a computer? Apple used to let you do that but have now stopped that. Why shouldn't I be able to replace the battery, storage and memory which are all replaceable items and I don't buy the space/size issue. It would be fine if a company charged reasonable prices for upgrades but charging $350 for 8gb ram or $600+ To replace a battery (yes Apple tried to charge me that) is plain rediculous.

Let me ask you this, would you be happy if Apple only offered you 8gb storage to save space, after all you'd be fine adding more wirelessly?

 

[wheelhot]

NB: I think the new MBPs are great-looking machines - its the pricing, plus the gouging on the cables and adapters that everybody will need to bootstrap their USB-C workflow that I don't like.

+1, the main issue with the new MBPs is the price on top of having to spend extra on dongles or cables.

Though I would say, if Apple were to make touch bar standard across all MBPs, it'll be even better

 

[dilbert99]

I think I'm PRO enough (~30 years C/C++/Java/SQL development and I'm buying it. So, please, stop your nonsense.

Being a developer your logic should really be better...
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Care to show me another PC OEM that does better? Acer? Asus? HP? Lenovo? Dell? Heck, Microsoft?

Show me a laptop OEM that gives me worldwide warranty as standard, where I can go to any of its retail establishment and service center around the world and get support.

Apple is not perfect, but before claiming Apple to be greedy etc, show me other companies that do better.

Apple is greedy
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Not something I'd have a problem with.

Do you have to look at the esc key to press it or can you touch type it? Genuinely interested

 

[Abazigal]

Complaints = half price dongles so it does work to complain.

Hope shaving off a few dollars off those dongles was worth all the pain and suffering the whiners have caused us here.

They got cheaper dongles. So what's my reward for putting up with all this crap?

 

[Lone Deranger]

The 2015 Mac book pro is not that long of a time ago that people should feel super deprived as you are suggesting. How often do you want to see new MBPs? Every 6 months? Every month?

According to MacRumors it was 527 days. In this industry, that's a very long time indeed.
Especially considering that the average time between updates had "only" been 320 up until then.

 

[SoyCapitanSoyCapitan]

Title is misleading. Those are not 'all' competing laptops. It's just a few of them cherry picked to create a chart. The MBP and MB columns are based on an estimate because Apple doesn't reveal break down figures.

 

[dilbert99]

Hope shaving off a few dollars off those dongles was worth all the pain and suffering the whiners have caused us here.

They got cheaper dongles. So what's my reward for putting up with all this crap?

If it causes you pain and suffering perhaps you need a break

I can't believe all the people that feel the joy when Apple shafts them.

My rMBP died and I ain't buying another from Apple.
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Title is misleading. Those are not 'all' competing laptops. It's just a few of them cherry picked to create a chart. The MBP and MB columns are based on an estimate because Apple doesn't reveal break down figures.

Click bait, even macrumours is cashing in, personally I hate the rise of click bait.
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I got to play with one yesterday. The touch bar is pretty neat. Those who dismiss it should really look into it. I played with iMovie and using the bar to scrub and the tools is inventive.

Don't knock this one quite yet. Plus I added every filter I could on a HD movie clip (multi gigabyte file) and it never studdered and rolled along without a hitch. The 15" model is pretty powerful with 16gb of ram but base level processor. Very impressive.

I got to play with one yesterday. The touch bar is pretty neat. Those who dismiss it should really look into it. I played with iMovie and using the bar to scrub and the tools is inventive.

Don't knock this one quite yet. Plus I added every filter I could on a HD movie clip (multi gigabyte file) and it never studdered and rolled along without a hitch. The 15" model is pretty powerful with 16gb of ram but base level processor. Very impressive.

Can you delete portions of events to free up storage space in iMovie?

 

[tcbegley]

The chart is in terms of revenue, hardly surprising then given the $500 price bump for the new machines. I wonder if they included the revenue from all those $50 dongles they're selling also.

 

[fpnc]

Note that this "statistic" seems to be based on a pool of about 13,000 online shoppers and there is no indication of how many total units were sold of each model. So, the actual number of MacBooks sold could be quite low. It could be that out of those 13K shoppers only 1000 bought a new MacBook Pro, 2000+ bought a MacBook, while a few hundred other people bought one of the other brands. However, there could be nearly 10,000 shoppers who purchased something else (in fact, that is somewhat likely). Thus, this tells you nothing about the total number of MacBook Pros that have been sold during this time period.

In fact, we don't even know whether there was some kind of bias in the selection of the pool of shoppers. For example, the pool may have been based upon users who had previously owned a MacBook Pro.

Basically, a totally meaningless statistic.

 

[mijail]

Deny a prisoner water long enough, and he'll eventually drink anything.

Yeah, anything... apart from Microsoft Surface Book, ASUS Chromebook Flip, Dell Inspiron 2-in-1, and Lenovo Yoga 900.


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Title is misleading. Those are not 'all' competing laptops. It's just a few of them cherry picked to create a chart. The MBP and MB columns are based on an estimate because Apple doesn't reveal break down figures.

You haven't read the article or stopped to think.
They don't need Apple's figures, because they have the actual number of units purchased by their pool of clients.

 

[MH01]

Yeah, anything... apart from Microsoft Surface Book, ASUS Chromebook Flip, Dell Inspiron 2-in-1, and Lenovo Yoga 900.


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You haven't read the article or stopped to think.
They don't need Apple's figures, because they have the actual number of units purchased by their pool of clients.

You do realise it's "revenue" ......see prices of new MacBook pros. Very important ....one MacBook Pro sold for £1000000000000000 supports their analysis .... we on mac rumours are more interested if people are buying these and not how much revenue comes in.

Second they have a small pool of clients .... I'm sure other research companies have different results, so can I ask why this company figures are correct or can we agree that it's just thier view.

Of course you need apple's figures ... do you judge the success of a new product based on how many harrods sells??

You need more data on which retailers are part of this analysis .

 

[sudo1996]

I don't think this is surprising. MacBooks always outsell all other laptops, but that's just because there are like 200 popular versions of every tier of non-Apple laptop, and people don't agree to buy the same one. We should only care about OS X market share increasing, which I want to see happen.

 

[lowkey]

You do realise it's "revenue" ......see prices of new MacBook pros. Very important ....one MacBook Pro sold for £1000000000000000 supports their analysis .... we on mac rumours are more interested if people are buying these and not how much revenue comes in.

Second they have a small pool of clients .... I'm sure other research companies have different results, so can I ask why this company figures are correct or can we agree that it's just thier view.

Of course you need apple's figures ... do you judge the success of a new product based on how many harrods sells??

You need more data on which retailers are part of this analysis .

LOL. Got any proof that one sold for that much? Or just pissed off they seem to be selling well?

 

[sudo1996]

Deny a prisoner water long enough, and he'll eventually drink anything.

The previous gen MBP is already powerful enough for almost all users. But most people want new stuff.

 

[Winni]

The "MacBook Pro" is treated as a single product rather than the group of products it is. Meanwhile, the competitors have hundreds of different models competing, many of which from the same brand.

Of course it will outsell the others when the breakdown is as such.

"Don't trust any statistics that you haven't faked yourself."

 

[thunng8]

For example, there is the surface book. But where is the Surface pro? Where is the Surface? Where is the Surface Studio?
What about ASus'sother laptops? What about Dell's other laptops. The XPS series? Lattitude? etc?

Not sure why, but the original article's graphs have been updated:

https://www.cnet.com/news/apple-mac...-set-to-surpass-2015-macbook/#ftag=CAD590a51e

It now includes the XPS13 and 15 and higher number of laptop shoppers.

BTW - the sample is of 4.4M online shoppers. Of those 16,754 brought one of the laptops mentioned in that graph.
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Note that this "statistic" seems to be based on a pool of about 13,000 online shoppers and there is no indication of how many total units were sold of each model. So, the actual number of MacBooks sold could be quite low. It could be that out of those 13K shoppers only 1000 bought a new MacBook Pro, 2000+ bought a MacBook, while a few hundred other people bought one of the other brands. However, there could be nearly 10,000 shoppers who purchased something else (in fact, that is somewhat likely). Thus, this tells you nothing about the total number of MacBook Pros that have been sold during this time period.

According to Slice Intelligence it keeps track of 4.4M online shoppers. Of those 16,754 brought one of those laptops mentioned in the graph.

BTW .. this is the original artlcle:

https://www.cnet.com/news/apple-mac...-set-to-surpass-2015-macbook/#ftag=CAD590a51e

It has an updated graph with a few more laptops in there.